Fox Footy AA side

[kirky]

For those interested this is the side they came up with for the first 12 rounds:-

B: Clement Fletcher Barry
HB: Milburn Hunter Hodge
C: Embley West Akermanis
HF: Robertson Pavlich N.Brown
F: J.Brown Tredrea Williams
R: Everitt Cousins Mitchell

I: Gilbee L.Ball Hall Cox

Coach: John Worsfold

There were certain criteria like 3 tall backman and 3 short/medium backman and same for the forwards.

As I said another thread, how the hell do you have 4 players (Everitt, Hodge, Mitchell and Williams) from the second bottom side and yet no Rutten or Roo??? Dunstall, Sheahan, Schwass and Barnes, I have now classified as football dunces!!!!

 

[Sheeds]

For those interested this is the side they came up with for the first 12 rounds:-

B: Clement Fletcher Barry
HB: Milburn Hunter Hodge
C: Embley West Akermanis
HF: Robertson Pavlich N.Brown
F: J.Brown Tredrea Williams
R: Everitt Cousins Mitchell

I: Gilbee L.Ball Hall Cox

Coach: John Worsfold

There were certain criteria like 3 tall backman and 3 short/medium backman and same for the forwards.

As I said another thread, how the hell do you have 4 players (Everitt, Hodge, Mitchell and Williams) from the second bottom side and yet no Rutten or Roo??? Dunstall, Sheahan, Schwass and Barnes, I have now classified as football dunces!!!!

That side seems very fishy too me for a number of reasons.

I would have thought Thompson for you guys was an absolute guarantee, Rutten will not get the credit he deserves so im not surprised he was overlooked.

Am I reading this correctly, Hawthorn have the most representatives in that side.
You are right, how can Hawthorn have this much representation when they are down the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Pretty good team, but has some major flaws in places.

Fletcher has been good this year but I too was surprised Truck didn't get the spot instead.

Riccuito's been great at times and poor at others this year - in terms of consistency, Goodwin should have definitely been in the team. Thommo should also be in strong consideration too.

Surprised that Embley, Barry and maybe Ball are in that team.

Too harsh to call them dunces - misinformed sounds better.

 

[macca23]

No Roo, Goodwin or Rutten.

Jason Dunstall is an absolute jerk who steered everything away from any Adelaide player suggested by Mike Sheehan.

An Adelaide fan rang up to suggest that Rutten should be in there instead of Fletcher, and Barnesy was telling Dunstall to hang up on him.

Rather than being a TV commentator, Barnesy is better qualified to be a specimen of Neanderthal man in a museum. No fkg idea.

The way that they selected it was half-arsed and flawed and their chosen team reflects just that.

Very ordinary TV.

 

[tribey]

I reckon they did a good job of it, but my changes would have been:

# Glass and Rutten have both been superior to Fletcher in the fullback position this year.

# Cox deserved first ruck over Everitt.

# Tredrea should have been named CHF with Pavlich on the bench. Any one of Hall, Richardson or Gehrig should have been named at FF.

# Ricciuto is stiff to miss, but then again, you could make a case for a dozen other midfielders.

 

[tribey]

An Adelaide fan rang up to suggest that Rutten should be in there instead of Fletcher, and Barnesy was telling Dunstall to hang up on him.

To be fair, that same caller also said that as soon as he saw they hadn't picked Brown at CHF the whole thing was laughable. I believe that's where he raised Barnsey's ire.

 

[macca23]

To be fair, that same caller also said that as soon as he saw they hadn't picked Brown at CHF the whole thing was laughable. I believe that's where he raised Barnsey's ire.

C'mon DT - play fair.

Don't let facts stop me from slagging him!!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There is no way Rutten has any claim to an AA position ATS.

Surprised about Goody - best form of his career.

Roo just average season - would be hard to make it ATS.

In summary probably 1 in a very even team - Thompson an outside chance

 

[tribey]

There is no way Rutten has any claim to an AA position ATS.

And why not? Hart won all AA selection in his first two years.

How has Rutten's exceptional form at FB (in his third season) - blanketing countless big names in the process - been any different?

 

[Mr Crow!]

Did Robert Walls have any input into the team? He seems to have a lot of respect for the Crows, and is always talking us up.

 

[DaveW]

So instead of the token West Coast defender being Glass, its Hunter?

Must be a dearth of quality CHBs to choose from.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And why not? Hart won all AA selection in his first two years.

How has Rutten's exceptional form at FB (in his third season) - blanketing countless big names in the process - been any different?

Go back on all my Rutten Posts and you'll find I have supported him more than any other poster when everyone was saying he was slow as treackle BUT I think we are getting a bit carried away talking him as AA.

Maybe later

 

[outback jack]

Cant beleive some of you going on about rutten. Also, taking out last week, tredrea shouldnt of been there at all. Roo hasnt done enough this yr and Rutten has isnt AA status, Richo and Darcy handled him very easily. What it shows it that last yr roo did all the midfield work this yr we have a very nice spread and work load. If we are able to be competitive in finals, AA status doesnt matter. Maybe goodwin, thommo, roo and rutten if he really clamps down might be able to sneak in there. Macca would have to be a go for a HBF, pocket you'd think. A very expensive pocket, but he has given plenty of drive.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Did Robert Walls have any input into the team? He seems to have a lot of respect for the Crows, and is always talking us up.

No he's still getting stuck into Ayres by talking up his successor

 

[tribey]

Also, taking out last week, tredrea shouldnt of been there at all.

OJ, if you could put your anti-Warren bias aside for five minutes, could you please logically explain why?

 

[sapaul]

Did Robert Walls have any input into the team? He seems to have a lot of respect for the Crows, and is always talking us up.

Nah, John Barnes, Jason Dunstall , Wayne Schwass and Mike Sheehan. Almost every week this year Barnes says "Mark Ricciuto is carrying the Adelaide side".

 

[just maybe]

I can actually understand why Hawthorn have 4 representatives.

Everitt - arguably best ruckman in the competition
Williams - leading goalkicker, small forward to boot, no contest
Hodge - close to leading in disposals, killer left foot and possibly the best form of any half-back-cum-midfielder in the comp
Mitchell - inside clearance gun, just keeps racking them up - no questions asked

It's the players around them that are the problem, buit those 4 are deadset guns (jury is out on Williams I guess, but he has the goals on the board so far...)

 

[outback jack]

OJ, if you could put your anti-Warren bias aside for five minutes, could you please logically explain why?

you are a tredrea supporter so it goes both ways. He just hasnt been overly impressive this season. He deserved it last yr without doubt. But otherwise from the games i've seen pav and the games i've seen tredrea i'd say pav has it. Personally i think tredrea has been a fair bit down on last yr and when the game has required someone to stand up he hasnt. The level of the team should be taken into account too. CC is incompetent and allows for pav to be crowded, plus they are weaker than port in terms of delivery pav gets. Pavs criticism, is he marks too far from goals and like tredrea is yet to take those strong contested marks. Although unlike tredrea he uses his body to great effect and his game against c cornes sticks in my mind. At the end of the yr it wouldnt surprise me if brown is the deserved AA CHF, he is a champ.

 

[just maybe]

you are a tredrea supporter so it goes both ways. He just hasnt been overly impressive this season. He deserved it last yr without doubt. But otherwise from the games i've seen pav and the games i've seen tredrea i'd say pav has it. Personally i think tredrea has been a fair bit down on last yr and when the game has required someone to stand up he hasnt. The level of the team should be taken into account too. CC is incompetent and allows for pav to be crowded, plus they are weaker than port in terms of delivery pav gets. Pavs criticism, is he marks too far from goals and like tredrea is yet to take those strong contested marks. Although unlike tredrea he uses his body to great effect and his game against c cornes sticks in my mind. At the end of the yr it wouldnt surprise me if brown is the deserved AA CHF, he is a champ.

Pav actually has one of the higher contested mark tallies in the comp, jack.

And while Pav and Brown have shaded Tredrea this year, he still has probably been the 3rd best forward in the comp. I just don't trust Williams as a consistent forward once sides work him out...

 

[cro_Magnum]

Nah, John Barnes, Jason Dunstall , Wayne Schwass and Mike Sheehan. Almost every week this year Barnes says "Mark Ricciuto is carrying the Adelaide side".

when reviewing last week's game, Walls praised the Crows, showed some clips and told us how they 've improved (along with the mandatory "I was the only one to pick them for the 8"). Sheahan's only comment was a dismissive "just look at the opposition"

 

[outback jack]

Pav actually has one of the higher contested mark tallies in the comp, jack.

And while Pav and Brown have shaded Tredrea this year, he still has probably been the 3rd best forward in the comp. I just don't trust Williams as a consistent forward once sides work him out...

i believe he actually takes contested marks, ie one on one, but the stats are very dodgy imo. A slap across the chest is a contested mark. I'm sure tredders has a high contested mark tally too.

 

[tribey]

And while Pav and Brown have shaded Tredrea this year, he still has probably been the 3rd best forward in the comp. I just don't trust Williams as a consistent forward once sides work him out...

Pav started like a house on fire but he has quickly come back to the pack.

His bread and butter has been his high mark tally and impressive number of inside 50s, but his goal tally is low given he is Fremantle's number one power forward. I'm all for the 'gateway' argument, but today's power forward has to do both - be able to create and finish off. Unlike Tredrea and Brown, Pav only does one.

I'd prefer my AA CHF to have scored more goals than Ian Perrie.

Brown has been super impressive in 5 of the 8 games he's been back, while Tredrea has his fair share of impressive performances and BOGs in his 13 so far.

There's an argument to say Brown is rapidly closing the gap and finally fulfilling his potential, but to say he's had a better year than Tredrea is going too far - even using your qualification of 'shaded'.

 

[-WWJD-]

Both Sheehan and Barnsey were pushing for Bassett to get a spot in the side which was encouraging...except for the fact that Barnsey kept calling him our fullback and nominating him for that position in the team.

 

[tribey]

you are a tredrea supporter so it goes both ways.

Indeed. I just feel you write him off far too easily and often, despite the evidence at hand.

He just hasnt been overly impressive this season. He deserved it last yr without doubt.

This is a bit of a misnomer. Despite Port's up and down season to date, Tredrea's numbers are highly comparable to last year's watershed:

Tredrea (2004, 25 games)

Disposals: 391 @ 15.64
Marks: 192 @ 7.68
Goalkicking: 81.44 @ 3.24 gpg & 64.8% conversion

Tredrea (2005, 13 games*)

Disposals: 199 @ 15.30
Marks: 112 @ 8.61
Goalkicking: 38.24 @ 2.92 gpg & 61.2% conversion

But otherwise from the games i've seen pav and the games i've seen tredrea i'd say pav has it.

I reckon if it was to be picked for real, right now Pav and Tredrea would be roughly on a par, with Tredrea's far superior goal tally possibly giving him the nod. But that's my personal opinion.

Personally i think tredrea has been a fair bit down on last yr and when the game has required someone to stand up he hasnt.

That's debatable. He certainly stood up against Brisbane, Geelong, Carlton (wayward kicking cost him though), Essendon, Kangaroos, St. Kilda and Hawthorn.

At the end of the yr it wouldnt surprise me if brown is the deserved AA CHF, he is a champ.

You may well be right if he can keep up this form. The extra five weeks of preseason he enjoyed seems to have given him that extra spark early on, but he should start to feel it as the season drags on. Playing as he does week-in week-out would be taking a heavy toll.

 

[tribey]

Both Sheehan and Barnsey were pushing for Bassett to get a spot in the side which was encouraging...except for the fact that Barnsey kept calling him our fullback and nominating him for that position in the team.

That frustrated the hell out of me. Had Barnesy relented and pushed for Bassett's rightful place in a pocket, he may have had a case, but there was no way in hell they would've picked him in a KP slot.

Didn't like Dunstall's dismissive smirk when Barnesy pushed it for a final time, though. Showed a lack of respect for Fred I thought.