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Fremantle Post Game Analysis

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Gee its hard to be objective and unemotional, but here's my thoughts on todays results.
Adelaide have always prided themselves on their high skill level. Today and the previous 2 games confirm that our skills ahve dropped dramatically. An inability to hit targets, particularly from our midfield players gave them little chance, with balls landing short, and pass's high and loopy, or to the players side which dis-advantaged them.
The pass by Macleod, just set Gallagher up who had no chance.
Our tackling count, a feature of our game last season, has dropped markedly, our tackles are half hearted, and technically incorrect.
With Macleod sadly out of form, and Edwards playing as a small forward, we look decidedly slow around the midfield.
Sadly with Goodwin getting injured, Macleod out of form, Roo and Reilly were great early, but the workload of shouldering so much responsibility,on a fairly warm day, gradually wore them down.
Sadly We were over-run by a side with more run in their legs, a winning mid-field, and in the end fewer mistakes.
If the Dockers had been on their game from the start, its fair to say the margin would have been even greater at the end.

Some player comments:
Hentshell
A great game, and seems, with confidence, to be getting better each week. His ability as a tallish man to take quick small steps, gets him out of tight situations, and he has the pace to accelerate off from his man.
Composure, ability to pick the right option, and hit the target, were highlights.
Reilly
An excellent game, tried hard all day, until the workload on a young player took its toll.
S. Stevens
Was a good leading forward all day, went missing through the middle part of the game, but a real positive today on his performance.
Smart
Used in smaller bursts on the field, he showed up a lot of his younger team mates, with his attack on the ball, disposal skills and decision making.
Roo
Started out like a true leader, showing a real zest for the contest, and continually initiating attacks.
However, if you've had gastro, the amount of energy it saps from you, is hard to recover in a week. Ultimately, on a hot day, he appeared to run out of gas.
Biglands
Surprisingly did alright in the first half, but dropped away as the game progressed, and Symonds became a real focal point for Fremantle.
Macleod
No confidence at all.
I'll repeat, he has lost pace,and with it confidence, and continues to try and play a receiver gamestyle.
Most times in taking the ball, he didn't use pace to break away from his opponent, he either handballed or short passed from a standing start.
Stenglein
Some great marks in the back half, but his effective disposal rate, would be less than 30%. Clumsy tackle in the last qtr, and very high turnover rate, negated any benefit gained from his ability to get the ball.
Gets the ball in the centre square alot, but nearly always does a 30mtr scrub kick forward, which often starts an attack for the opposition.
Mcgregor
Competed well all day, took some good marks, but was never a danger to the Fremantle coaching staff.
Was never going grab the game by the scruff, and do something special. Performace was about what you would expect, and Gary would have been satisfied.
Burton.
Took some telling defensive marks, but the negatives outweighed the positives. Poor skills, poor decision making, a very average game.
Edwards
This guy never lets you down. From week to week his performace is the same. A coaches delight.


Our disposal and overall skill level is well below par. The night B4 I went to the West Coast V Essendon game. The skills were maginficent, the Eagles pace in the mid-field, with Cousins and Judd, and Kerr, were decisive in them getting back into the game, and nearly winning it.
Sadly, with Macleod out of form, our mid-field is slow, and the disposal skills woeful - no comparison.
Roo, Stenglein, Burton, were the biggest culpritts.
Sadly Eyres has to shoulder some of the blame for a club, that has prided itself on a high level of skills, to be executing skills the way it is presently.
I remember watching Stenglein when he first started with the Crows, and thinking that his foot skills were excellent - whats happened since?
 
I have no blame for Ayres on what happened today.

It was the players, not all of them, but there were those that let us down. No exceptions. We had the game to be won, and we lost. The culprits were the players, and they know who they are.

In fact, let's name them.
- McCleod.
- Stenglein
- Kenny
- Carey (tried hard but too inaccurate).

These people let down those who took the next step. Wayne, your player profiles were indeed correct. Basset was fantastic, Massie tried his guts out, Reilly pushed through his limit, Roo was great, and Hentschell definitely took the next step.

These players were let down. They did their job, and unfortunately, they were let down by the others.

Those four players I mentioned before all need to think about what they are doing. They need to take the next step as well. They need to kick accurately, make less mistakes, and actuallly have some confidence.

These were the main problems of today, not the coach.
 
Originally posted by Bockchoy67
I have no blame for Ayres on what happened today.

It was the players, not all of them, but there were those that let us down. No exceptions. We had the game to be won, and we lost. The culprits were the players, and they know who they are.

In fact, let's name them.
- McCleod.
- Stenglein
- Kenny
- Carey (tried hard but too inaccurate).

These people let down those who took the next step. Wayne, your player profiles were indeed correct. Basset was fantastic, Massie tried his guts out, Reilly pushed through his limit, Roo was great, and Hentschell definitely took the next step.

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I agree the game-day coaching had little bearing on the result.
In fact thought we were reasonably direct.
My query is the emphasis by the coach on skills coaching and commitment at training.
We missed forward targets today, as well as the goals.
 

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Originally posted by Bockchoy67
I have no blame for Ayres on what happened today.

It was the players, not all of them, but there were those that let us down. No exceptions. We had the game to be won, and we lost. The culprits were the players, and they know who they are.

In fact, let's name them.
- McCleod.
- Stenglein
- Kenny
- Carey (tried hard but too inaccurate).

These people let down those who took the next step. Wayne, your player profiles were indeed correct. Basset was fantastic, Massie tried his guts out, Reilly pushed through his limit, Roo was great, and Hentschell definitely took the next step.

These players were let down. They did their job, and unfortunately, they were let down by the others.

Those four players I mentioned before all need to think about what they are doing. They need to take the next step as well. They need to kick accurately, make less mistakes, and actuallly have some confidence.

These were the main problems of today, not the coach.

I accept the above with one exception - Kenny is not a CHF and Ayres refusal to move him or replace him is his decision and his alone.
 
Originally posted by kirky
I accept the above with one exception - Kenny is not a CHF and Ayres refusal to move him or replace him is his decision and his alone.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that. ;)

Why did Kenny play so badly? He was put in a position he shouldn't have been in.

Now, I encourage a versitile style of playing, but Kenny is a backmen. No more, no less. He plays well in the backline. Judging by today's performance, he does not play well in the forward line.

In fact, Kenny marked well. But his decision making, including his kicking, was downright awful.

The only question remaining is; If Kenny moves to the backline, does he replace Hentschel, who starred today? :confused:

If you ask me, put Kenny on the bench, and judging by Potenschel's fitness and form, interchange between them throughout next week's game.

If Trent is playing well, however, maybe Ayres should try to refrain from swapping them around too much.

It really depends on their form next week.
 
Originally posted by Bockchoy67
The only question remaining is; If Kenny moves to the backline, does he replace Hentschel, who starred today? :confused:

If you ask me, put Kenny on the bench, and judging by Potenschel's fitness and form, interchange between them throughout next week's game.

If Trent is playing well, however, maybe Ayres should try to refrain from swapping them around too much.

It really depends on their form next week.
I like Hentshell as a CHB longterm, as he potentially brings a bit of dash to the CHB role. However this being his first full season, he will have his ups and downs. So I would continue with him as our 3rd tall on a HBF, with McGregor at CHB.
CHF is the question though?
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I like Hentshell as a CHB longterm, as he potentially brings a bit of dash to the CHB role. However this being his first full season, he will have his ups and downs. So I would continue with him as our 3rd tall on a HBF, with McGregor at CHB.
CHF is the question though?

Perrie out of the way, I would hope that a current flanker by the name of Scott Stevens would take up CHF.

He's got size and can take a good contested mark, so why not put him there. He would probably have more of an influence. If he worked on his kicking, he could do a lot of that position.

Doing this, you would then bring someone like Bode, Doughty or Ladhams if fit and running, and put them on the flank.

If Perrie find form, interchange him with Scott Stevens, as both are similar players.

My pick for CHF is Scott Stevens right now.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I like Hentshell as a CHB longterm, as he potentially brings a bit of dash to the CHB role. However this being his first full season, he will have his ups and downs. So I would continue with him as our 3rd tall on a HBF, with McGregor at CHB.
CHF is the question though?
Spot on.

We can play 3 talls in the backline especially since Hentschel is a tall that can play either small or tall. We cried out for a 3rd tall defender last year. Now we got him, lets use him there. He is coming along nicely at the moment.

Mark Stevens is by far our best CHF but since his knee is buggered and he is most likely to never play again, Perrie is our best bet.

Perrie plays well when he is the go to player and he is playing IN FRONT OF Carey. He is out of form now but hopefully he fires soon. Rutten, Krueger and Watts would have got the opportunity if they weren't injured.:(
 
Originally posted by Bockchoy67
Perrie out of the way, I would hope that a current flanker by the name of Scott Stevens would take up CHF.

He's got size and can take a good contested mark, so why not put him there. He would probably have more of an influence. If he worked on his kicking, he could do a lot of that position.

Doing this, you would then bring someone like Bode, Doughty or Ladhams if fit and running, and put them on the flank.

If Perrie find form, interchange him with Scott Stevens, as both are similar players.

My pick for CHF is Scott Stevens right now.
The problem with Scott Stevens is that he is not robust enough to play KP. He is a good mark and he is pretty mobile but I reckon he would get pushed out of position easily at CHF by strong backman. You need some serious strength and bulk to play at CHF. Stevo is at least 6 kg away from being able to play CHF.
 
How fast we forget.

Mark Stevens was no musclebound super-CHF. In fact, he was a fair spindle. But he was a damn hard-worker, and when on song his hands were damn good.

SCOTT Stevens also has good hands, has a good work-rate AT TIMES and is a shocker of a kick. If Jars can help him learn to kick (which he managed to do with Perrie), and he can try and keep up his work-rate for the whole game, he could be very serviceable.
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
How fast we forget.

Mark Stevens was no musclebound super-CHF. In fact, he was a fair spindle. But he was a damn hard-worker, and when on song his hands were damn good.

SCOTT Stevens also has good hands, has a good work-rate AT TIMES and is a shocker of a kick. If Jars can help him learn to kick (which he managed to do with Perrie), and he can try and keep up his work-rate for the whole game, he could be very serviceable.
I agree that Mark stevens is not the biggest KPP going around BUT he was never pushed under the ball. He was good at scragging for position and was not outmuscled very often. Mark Stevens is not the greatest of kicks either. Mark Stevens is listed at 194 cm/96 Kg. Scott Stevens is 194 cm/88 kg. Thats 8kg difference.
 

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Originally posted by Bockchoy67
Perrie out of the way, I would hope that a current flanker by the name of Scott Stevens would take up CHF.

He's got size and can take a good contested mark, so why not put him there. He would probably have more of an influence. If he worked on his kicking, he could do a lot of that position.

Doing this, you would then bring someone like Bode, Doughty or Ladhams if fit and running, and put them on the flank.

If Perrie find form, interchange him with Scott Stevens, as both are similar players.

My pick for CHF is Scott Stevens right now.
Stevens could play CHF, but we would still need another tall. Relying on Carey and Stevens as our 2 tall forwards would be very iffy.
Pitty Krueger and Watts are not a little more advanced.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Spot on.

We can play 3 talls in the backline especially since Hentschel is a tall that can play either small or tall. We cried out for a 3rd tall defender last year. Now we got him, lets use him there. He is coming along nicely at the moment.

Mark Stevens is by far our best CHF but since his knee is buggered and he is most likely to never play again, Perrie is our best bet.

Perrie plays well when he is the go to player and he is playing IN FRONT OF Carey. He is out of form now but hopefully he fires soon. Rutten, Krueger and Watts would have got the opportunity if they weren't injured.:(
I don't think there's another option, unless they opt for Carey to go back to CHF and put Rutten into FF. But he would be at least 2-3 weeks away from any sort of form or fitness.
So given Biglands wont be around, meaning Hudsons in the ruck, Perrie is our only option.
S... perhaps we do need another KPP in this years draft, in addition to midfielders. Better start trading for some high draft choices me thinks.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Both are out injured one with serious back injury and another one with OP. :(

Maybe in the next game we might rely on Carey, S. Stevens and Jericho.
Our range of selection of talls is shocking - there's nothing in the cupboard.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Our range of selection of talls is shocking - there's nothing in the cupboard.
I think thats a very good comment. Lets run through the list:

Carey - contesting well but shanking kicks and has to battle with notoriously bad delivery

M. Stevens - out injured with Chronic knee injury and might never play again.

Perrie - badly out of form

S. Stevens - like a bloody yo yo. Not really a KPP YET.

Hentschel - playing well in defence but lost when in forward line.

McGregor - played out of position and crap at it.

Bassett - got into some form today

Krueger - seriously injured back.

Watts - out with injury, the dreaded OP

Rutten - just back from injury and will need at least a couple of weeks to regain fitness and form

Bock- not really a KPP yet and is struggling.

Overall a very bare cupboard. We would have a few more options if we didn't have so many injuries (or players coming back from injuries) as far as KPP are concerned.
 

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I was at the game

I was at the game today, and it was not a pretty sight

If Carey is our main forward you may as well look forward to 2005. He was out muscled, and out played for most of the game.

Mcleod looked slow and disinterested, but got better as the game went on. I saw one passage of play in the first quater where he couldnt be bothered to chase the player and as others have said, was just waiting for the ball.

I think biglands will be gone for at least 2 weeks.

Mcgregor was shocking. He had plenty of time on three occasions in the forward line and just threw the ball onto his boot for a shocking result.

Some positives, are that some of the new players tried hard but poor disposal let them down at various times

Scott Welsh was run down three times and is to slow at disposing of the ball. They moved him into the midfield in the latter part of the game and he got caught far to many times.

The forward structure is shocking and the delivery into there is not much better, but I dont have any ideas how we can improve it

Sydney didnt play that well this weekend so maybe we have a chance next weekend, but I think the odds are shortening for 0 and 4 with the loss of goodwin and biglands

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
My mistake

My mistake, but that could be even worse
the way that St Kilda have been playing
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I remember watching Stenglein when he first started with the Crows, and thinking that his foot skills were excellent - whats happened since?

You would have been mistaken....Stinger has an okay kick, but it's kinda high and loopy, it doesn't have much penetration and he takes an eternity to dispose of the footy. He has other good attributes of course which make him a valuable member of the side, the hardness, toughness he brings to the team and he's a very good mark, but skills-wise, like many currently in the side, he's nothing but average.

Also, on Kenny, can't remember how many times he ran under the ball and Hadrill was able to keep him under the flight of the ball and take an easy mark. Sure, it was mostly due to poor delivery, but geez, we just need more of a decent contest.

Things just go from bad to worse.....at least previously we could say there was a lack of effort (as bad as that is), but today, we just weren't good enough, skills-wise, in our structure, our decision-making, no composure under pressure.....it was like watching a very bad movie which you just couldn't walk out on....you just had to see the end.... :(
 
Re: Re: Fremantle Post Game Analysis

Originally posted by ant
You would have been mistaken....Stinger has an okay kick, but it's kinda high and loopy, it doesn't have much penetration and he takes an eternity to dispose of the footy. He has other good attributes of course which make him a valuable member of the side, the hardness, toughness he brings to the team and he's a very good mark, but skills-wise, like many currently in the side, he's nothing but average.

Also, on Kenny, can't remember how many times he ran under the ball and Hadrill was able to keep him under the flight of the ball and take an easy mark. Sure, it was mostly due to poor delivery, but geez, we just need more of a decent contest.

Things just go from bad to worse.....at least previously we could say there was a lack of effort (as bad as that is), but today, we just weren't good enough, skills-wise, in our structure, our decision-making, no composure under pressure.....it was like watching a very bad movie which you just couldn't walk out on....you just had to see the end.... :(
His passing in his first year at the club was much flatter, and more of a spearing pass. But your right his passing now is high, looping, and slow to reach his team mate. But so then was most of our pass's today.
Stenglein is very slow to dispose of the ball, and in the midfield simply tries to get foot to ball, without where or to whom its going. IMO a real liability.
Our centre square movement used to consist of a series of quick short handballs, either to a forward running player, or out wide to the wingman, who in both cases was able to deliver accurately to the forward line, balanced and without pressure.
Now we just put foot to ball, and scramble the ball forward - no system at all, and very difficult for the forwards.
Stenglein needs to go out of the midfield and back to a HBF.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18


Perrie plays well when he is the go to player and he is playing IN FRONT OF Carey.

That was a lesson I hope the AFC learned yesterday,Carey has to play close to goal NOT AT CHF he was much better close to goal yesterday, if he didnt have to lead out so WIDE we would have been laughing.
 

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