Fremantle Under Longmuir

[bzparkes]

Do you think I’m Michael Frederick?

Yes.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Dockers had the second youngest 22 playing on the weekend to be fair, they have some pretty good young players just need a couple years or some missing pieces.

Serong
Brayshaw
Darcy
Young
Henry
Amiss
Jackson
Fredrick

In 2 years these guys will be even better and that’s a solid crop.

Some Dockers fans on another thread were claiming Jackson was the best player in the league already. Would be impressive if he improved from there.

 

[fnerd]

Imagine running with this line but doing backflips when you win a derby against the worst Eagles side ever.

Imagine still being bitter about a player celebrating a goal 13 rounds ago

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Why did it take them 4 years to realise they needed to rebuild?

 

[bzparkes]

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[Madas]

Freo have been nowhere near the mark since 2015. If it took them 4 years to identify they needed to rebuild, that's on them.

If they'd you could excuse them if they won a flag/played in multiple GF's but the writing was on the wall in 2016 when they lost their first 10 after making a prelim, which indicated their depth was nowhere near good enough to contend for a flag.

Why did it take them 4 years to realise they needed to rebuild?

Dunno
Ask Nizzy and Simmo ?

 

[Madas]

So 2 rebuilds in 8 years Freomaniac ?

Interesting take on it Madas first i've seen this spoken about and i read the Dockers board regularly

Dunno how you spin that out of what I wrote but whatever

Like I said in another thread
I just make stuff up like you do

 

[DanWA]

It’s not that hard to work out but let’s have another go for you and your mate DanWa

Same as your club , Freo thought they were still in contention so tried the top up .
It failed spectacularly when it turned out they picked up 2 very talented but biggest head-cases in the AFL in Hogan and McCarthy .

As someone else said they didn’t start drafting till Longmuir
So DanWa the fact is it’s only 4 years with a young list
Same as WC rebuild has only just started , they deluded themselves ( much like DanWa ) into thinking they were still contenders .

So facts are
Freo rebuild - 4 years
WC rebuild - 1 year at the end of this season

Dunno how you spin that out of what I wrote but whatever

Like I said in another thread
I just make stuff up like you do

So is it a 8 year rebuild or a fresh 4 year rebuild after a separate 4 year rebuild?

 

[Freomaniac]

Can we not talk about Carlton in this thread. There are other places to discuss the mighty Blues.

Seems all Freo supporters want to do is troll and hang s**t, then when they lose in embarrassing fashion it’s deflect, deflect, deflect.

Dude, Fremantle has been your grand final since 2019. lol

Your team isnt good enough to make finals. Like Freo, they are to inconsistent.

Only postive I found losing to your mob was I made money. lol

 

[Freomaniac]

They started rebuilding 8 years ago.

How the hell can they still be a 'young' side?

They're still a good 3-4 years away from consistently playing finals, judging from the state of their list.

If they continue to bleed players like they have, it'll be another 8 years before they win a final and they'll still bang on about how 'young' they are, because nobody over the age of 24 wants to stay.

Serious issues at that club.

Glad you wrote this post.

Gonna be a long reply to answer your questions. Your questions wont be one or 2 word answers. I will go into detail too.

Yeah I still say the rebuild started 8 years ago... in 2016 when freo went 0-10, ended up 4-18 and crippled with injuries. I dont think the dockers are 3-4 years away from consistently playing finals or at least contending for finals. This team made finals and won a final last season. 1st time since 2015.



If you wanna know how important that 2022 elim final was, of the 23 players that played in that game, 19 dockers out of that 23 had their 1st finals win in their careers. Yes that included 2 blokes that got traded in Griffin Logue and Blake Acres. There were 7 blokes aged 21 or under that got their 1st finals win too.



So as an example... those 2016 draftees aged 18-21 should be 24-27 years old 6 years later.

How the dockers can still be a "young side" So sort of answered With players wanting to leave or being traded. Also freos 1st draft picks from 2007-2014 didnt do Freo a favour either.

If you wanna know about freos 1st rounders from 2007-14...

2007: Rhys Palmer

2008: Stephen Hill

2009: Anthony Morabito

2010: Jayden Pitt (Yep the bloke we chose instead fo Jack Darling)

2011: Tom Sheridan or Hayden Crozier

2012: Josh Simpson

2013: Michael Apeness

2014 : Lachie Weller

Not a great choice of 1st rounders.

My biggest concern is recruiting a lot of Victorian Players like Gold coast and GWS did and they leave and Spend their best years at Victorian clubs in unfortunatley will be the case for Ed Langdon and Adam Cerra.

Losing Sean Darcy to free agency next season wont help the dockers either

 

[Freomaniac]

Apparently different rebuilds

Freomaniac So one began in 2016 and another in 2020?

Nope... we only had the one rebuild in 2016-21.

Your teams rebuild stated in 2021 or 2022.

 

[Freomaniac]

Rebuild of a rebuild?

No wonder there are so many Carlton supporters in this thread!

well your mob played your annual grand final vs the dockers. LOL

Watch Carlton be hungover and lose to Port this week to prove I am right lol

 

[bzparkes]

Glad you wrote this post.

Gonna be a long reply to answer your questions. Your questions wont be one or 2 word answers. I will go into detail too.

Yeah I still say the rebuild started 8 years ago... in 2016 when freo went 0-10, ended up 4-18 and crippled with injuries. I dont think the dockers are 3-4 years away from consistently playing finals or at least contending for finals. This team made finals and won a final last season. 1st time since 2015.



If you wanna know how important that 2022 elim final was, of the 23 players that played in that game, 19 dockers out of that 23 had their 1st finals win in their careers. Yes that included 2 blokes that got traded in Griffin Logue and Blake Acres. There were 7 blokes aged 21 or under that got their 1st finals win too.



So as an example... those 2016 draftees aged 18-21 should be 24-27 years old 6 years later.

How the dockers can still be a "young side" So sort of answered With players wanting to leave or being traded. Also freos 1st draft picks from 2007-2014 didnt do Freo a favour either.

If you wanna know about freos 1st rounders from 2007-14...

2007: Rhys Palmer

2008: Stephen Hill

2009: Anthony Morabito

2010: Jayden Pitt (Yep the bloke we chose instead fo Jack Darling)

2011: Tom Sheridan or Hayden Crozier

2012: Josh Simpson

2013: Michael Apeness

2014 : Lachie Weller

Not a great choice of 1st rounders.

My biggest concern is recruiting a lot of Victorian Players like Gold coast and GWS did and they leave and Spend their best years at Victorian clubs in unfortunatley will be the case for Ed Langdon and Adam Cerra.

Losing Sean Darcy to free agency next season wont help the dockers either

Hmm, total horror show, you're right.

But your quip about young Victorian players potentially leaving doesn't exactly equate, considering you've had WA players leave for Victoria in that time also.

Whilst WCE haven't exactly been a beacon of good list management recently, they're polar opposites in regards to retaining Vic players, both country and Metro.

Freo desperately need to review their internal practices to ascertain why so many players want out after just a few seasons, especially the WA ones they've lured home.

 

[Freomaniac]

What is it with WA clubs and accepting bad deals. Luke Jackson and Tim Kelly were both traded after only one good season.

Freo did do well with the Brad Hill trade though.

And I thought the Jesse Hogan to freo for pick 6 and 23 was bad.... Crazy to think people thought the Hogan trade was gonna set the docker back 4-5 seasons. It didnt and we won a final in 2022.

I was against the Luke Jackson trade at the time. No doubt it was way too steep now.

Only logical reason why it possibly made sense was Because Rory Lobb wanted to go to the Dogs.

And Yes... The Brad Hill trade Worked out. It was worth it just for that 2022 Elim finals win alone.

Brad Hill and a 3rd rounder for Serong, Aish , Acres and other picks was good.

And Yes.... All 3 of Serong, Aish and Acres played in that 2022 elim final win vs the dogs.

 

[Freomaniac]

Hmm, total horror show, you're right.

But your quip about young Victorian players potentially leaving doesn't exactly equate, considering you've had WA players leave for Victoria in that time also.

Whilst WCE haven't exactly been a beacon of good list management recently, they're polar opposites in regards to retaining Vic players, both country and Metro.

Freo desperately need to review their internal practices to ascertain why so many players want out after just a few seasons, especially the WA ones they've lured home.

You do have a point about that... However, its only 3 WA blokes for Various reasons... Acutally its 4...

Rory Lobb: It was money and security. plain and simple. He could of stayed for one more season at freo , but his final year was a forward ended deal I think. Lobb is on a 3 year deal at $500,000 a year. I dont Blame him. Had he stayed at the dockers in 2023. No one is gonna hand him a big money 3 year deal at $500-$600,000 a year that turns 31 in February of 2024. Again, I am looking on his side of the story. And Again, I dont blame him.

Blake Acres: Solid player. Would he be on freos best 22 now? Probably. But he isnt a future Brownlow medal winner or All Australian. Outside mids are not freos biggest weakness.

Griffin Logue: This ones on freo. We got our selfs to blame on this. Should of handed him a 2 year extenson at the end of 2021. That means like fellow 2016 picks in Sean Darcy and Brennan cox, Security for until 2024 and go to the end of 2024 in his 8th year as a free agent. North pounced and handed him a 4 or 5 year deal on big cash.

Brad Hill: This was the end of 2019. He had 2 seasons to go on his deal. He was ona 5 year deal on 2.5 million on 5 seasons. I thought it was $500,000 a year for all 5 years. But it was front ended. So $700,000 a year for 2017-18. That was justifyable as he won freos 2017 best and fairest. He was on $500,000 in 2019. Had he stayed in 2020 and 2021, he would be on only $300,000 a year.

Saints wanted him and offered him $900,000 a year for 5 seasons. A traded happened and Brad Hill can enjoy that 5 year deal that started in 2020 and ends on 2024.

 

[Freomaniac]

Freo have been nowhere near the mark since 2015. If it took them 4 years to identify they needed to rebuild, that's on them.

If they'd you could excuse them if they won a flag/played in multiple GF's but the writing was on the wall in 2016 when they lost their first 10 after making a prelim, which indicated their depth was nowhere near good enough to contend for a flag.

Why did it take them 4 years to realise they needed to rebuild?

It didnt take 4 years to realise they needed a rebuild.

Once the 2016 ended, Dockers drafted and traded aggressively. Drafted guys like Griffin Logue, Sean Darcy, Brennan Cox and Luke Ryan in the draft. Traded in Brad Hill, Cam McCarthy, Joel Hamling and Shane Kersten. I dont blame the freo board of trading in players from other clubs.

Could of went to the draft and chose 6-8 guys in that draft. But then again instead of 8 wins in 2017, it probably would of been another 4 or 5 win season. We had to trade guys like Hill and Hamling to improve the squad.

 

[bzparkes]

It didnt take 4 years to realise they needed a rebuild.

Once the 2016 ended, Dockers drafted and traded aggressively. Drafted guys like Griffin Logue, Sean Darcy, Brennan Cox and Luke Ryan in the draft. Traded in Brad Hill, Cam McCarthy, Joel Hamling and Shane Kersten. I dont blame the freo board of trading in players from other clubs.

Could of went to the draft and chose 6-8 guys in that draft. But then again instead of 8 wins in 2017, it probably would of been another 4 or 5 win season. We had to trade guys like Hill and Hamling to improve the squad.

Freo just need to stop being impatient and finally learn the lesson of draft for the future and maybe trade in one or 2 key pieces but those key pieces can't be the marquee players they've been going for, because they should've gotten them from the draft to begin with.

They seem to do the opposite(from an outsiders point of view) and look for the marquee player to top off the list and then overpay for said player, thus ruining their following drafts when it inevitably doesn't come off.

I'ts like an Instagram influencer buying 100k followers instead of slowly building up a loyal following.

For Freo supporters, they thankfully have plenty of time on their side, because their current A-graders, as well as their future ones, are still very young. they just need to continue to build through the draft for a couple of more years and then make a realistic push for a flag.

I see them as similar to the '08 Hawks, minus the flag. Still missing a few key pieces but if they're patient(and it's a big if), they can win a flag in the next 5-6 years but they have to be humble and admit their promise of 3x4 finishes and a flag by 2025 is a failure, but it doesn't mean they can't be successful.

Longmuir is an issue though. Is he the man? I liked him at WCE but he seems very uninspiring as a coach right now.

 

[Freomaniac]

Imagine running with this line but doing backflips when you win a derby against the worst Eagles side ever.

Your team is also in a dire situation too.

Your team could have a similar fate like the dockers. Let that sink in

 

[Truetiger]

Can we not talk about Carlton in this thread. There are other places to discuss the mighty Blues.

Seems all Freo supporters want to do is troll and hang s**t, then when they lose in embarrassing fashion it’s deflect, deflect, deflect.

But it’s fun to pick on both Carlton and Fremantle lol. Funny though gone from,Semi final to what they are this season Rubbish.

 

[rgauci]

The true off season mistake was letting Acres go to get O'Meara

Does anyone think O'Meara is better then Acres ? Did anyone ever think that? Take into account that O'Meara is on more coin also and they lost more draft capital ands its even more bizarre

Agree with this. Acres age profile closer to the talent too. Made no sense at the time and was an obvious error.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Freo just need to stop being impatient and finally learn the lesson of draft for the future and maybe trade in one or 2 key pieces but those key pieces can't be the marquee players they've been going for, because they should've gotten them from the draft to begin with.

They seem to do the opposite(from an outsiders point of view) and look for the marquee player to top off the list and then overpay for said player, thus ruining their following drafts when it inevitably doesn't come off.

I'ts like an Instagram influencer buying 100k followers instead of slowly building up a loyal following.

For Freo supporters, they thankfully have plenty of time on their side, because their current A-graders, as well as their future ones, are still very young. they just need to continue to build through the draft for a couple of more years and then make a realistic push for a flag.

I see them as similar to the '08 Hawks, minus the flag. Still missing a few key pieces but if they're patient(and it's a big if), they can win a flag in the next 5-6 years but they have to be humble and admit their promise of 3x4 finishes and a flag by 2025 is a failure, but it doesn't mean they can't be successful.

Longmuir is an issue though. Is he the man? I liked him at WCE but he seems very uninspiring as a coach right now.

I must admit I haven't seen a lot of Freo this year, but when I have they seem slow, uncertain and very careful to take the game on at the start. Not sure if that's confidence, ability or poor coaching.
They'll be blown away by Collingwood this weekend if they are indecisive and reactive.

 

[bzparkes]

I must admit I haven't seen a lot of Freo this year, but when I have they seem slow, uncertain and very careful to take the game on at the start. Not sure if that's confidence, ability or poor coaching.
They'll be blown away by Collingwood this weekend if they are indecisive and reactive.

Yeah, the best they've looked is when they are fast, attacking football. I've zero idea why they keep regressing to a slow, methodical style because it doesn't suit their players whatsoever.

I'd hazard a guess to say that perhaps the fact it isn't working is due to the inexperience of the younger players trying to adapt to a more complicated game plan.

That's 100% the coaches' fault but if they've decided to commit to it, despite the results this year, then I can understand the reason if it's for the future.

Looks outdated and boring though but that may be a consequence of not executing it correctly.

 

[MadMundy]

I will say one thing, I've never understood the people that hate our club for whatever reason, we're relatively harmless (probably a huge problem for why we suck on field), we don't have any dickheads on the team, I don't see anything really that unlikeable about the team yet plenty of people enjoy seeing us fail.

I've never gotten it, our problem is we're too ****ing harmless for people to hate us, if we get hated I want it to be earned.

 

[bzparkes]

I will say one thing, I've never understood the people that hate our club for whatever reason, we're relatively harmless (probably a huge problem for why we suck on field), we don't have any dickheads on the team, I don't see anything really that unlikeable about the team yet plenty of people enjoy seeing us fail.

I've never gotten it, our problem is we're too ******* harmless for people to hate us, if we get hated I want it to be earned.

It's not the club itself, it's the massive chip on the shoulders of the fans that annoys people.

 

[FreoFan85]

I will say one thing, I've never understood the people that hate our club for whatever reason, we're relatively harmless (probably a huge problem for why we suck on field), we don't have any dickheads on the team, I don't see anything really that unlikeable about the team yet plenty of people enjoy seeing us fail.

I've never gotten it, our problem is we're too ******* harmless for people to hate us, if we get hated I want it to be earned.

Same reason that kids often get bullied in school. We are an easy target, whenever there is an argument they just revert to a trophy cabinet thinking they are all high and mighty.

The mentally weak need to feel a sense of power to make them selves feel better about themselves.

Have you noticed that the majority of hate is currently coming from west Coast and Carlton supporters. Carlton widely tipped for a top four and have been just as disappointing as us for the last 20 years and the eagles just need a way to deflect from their current situation.

In the west it is also popular to gang up on them. People that know nothing about football think it’s funny.