Freo's trading and drafting

[feds2000]

What else would he say?

"Yeah I preferred Gold Coast, just here for the paycheque and the Llama Bar, really."

I'm going to guess, as he's gone through a bit, he wasn't too happy away from WA.

 

[feds2000]

Fremantle are no chance of the premiership next year. The only chance they had was recruiting McCarthy and it will be sad to see Pavlich go around next year, he should have retired.

oh shit mate, you've forgot what a winning team resembles, Dockers will be one of the teams shooting for another GF.

 

[Beutbrute]

1 in every 3 possessions were contested, what does that make him???

You do realize Gaff had more contested possessions than Hill last year?

 

[Beutbrute]

I think Freo should have concentrated on Mid to tall Key position players a bit more in the last couple of drafts, however I think this will hurt them more from next season on-wards, rather than this year. I doubt Sandilands and Pavlich will play in 2017, Johnson would be no guarantee to go around either. Griffin and Dawson would be 31, Silvagni 30 and Mayne and Ibbotson would be 29. Given that it generally takes taller players a bit longer to develop that leaves a period with heavy reliance on Clarke/Apeness/Hannath or the ability to trade in some someone like McCarthy

 

[Bender571]

Hazardous exercise comparing KPFs in the first couple of years, anyway. They get tried out in various positions, they get rotated a lot, spend time in reserve footy, and of course at that age most are naturally inconsistent and still finding their feet. Some will have a slow start then become elite in their mid to late 20s, some burst out of the blocks and plateau afterwards.

Comparing Boyd or Taberner or any other young KPF to Buddy and Riewoldt and JK is pointless in my view. Not at this stage of their careers, anyway.

I think that was the initial point of the Taberner/Kennedy comparison. It wasn't saying that because Taberner has similar stats to Kennedy after his first 3 seasons Taberner will be similar to Kennedy now, but rather that Kennedy didn't have a big impact in his first 3 seasons (like a lot of tall players) and went on to become one of the best forwards in the comp, so it's possible for Taberner to have substantial improvement left in him.

I think you'd struggle to find a single Freo fan who thinks Taberner will end up as good as Kennedy.

Taberner still managed %73.5 game time, so not that bad. No idea on Kennedy from 2009 as Footywire doesn't have them for that year.

I think the game time comparison might of been in reference to Taberner's 2014 season to his 2015 season. He was often one of the talls that we subbed out during games this year. That drop off in game time (and different role) could partially explain his small drop off in a few stats. My personal opinion is that while he didn't improve as much as they would've hoped, it'd be incorrect to say he "went backwards sharply" considering he played 60% more games.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I remember Melbourne supporters pointing out a few years back that Jack Watts' first few years were statistically better than Franklin and Riewoldt's. I think Taberner could become a good forward but these types of arguments are pointless.

I agree. Posters that sit around all day trying to find stats to prove player X is better than player Y because they have 5% better disposal efficiency and lay .1% more tackles per game can wipe their rectum with the data.

I'm not sold on Tabs but he has potential however anyone suggesting Josh Hill is better than Walters due to 1 years worth of stats is just plain stupid.

 

[The Joker]

You do realize Gaff had more contested possessions than Hill last year?

He also played more games, whats your point sweetheart?

 

[Spoken4]

Here's what Walters and Ballantyne put together in 2015.

Walters - 44 Goals - 19 behinds - 54 tackles. 12 goal assists. (22 games)

Ballantyne - 15 goals - 13 behinds - 59 tackles 8 goals assists.(15 games)

Let's have a look at another duo.

Josh Hill - 40 goals - 18 behinds - 56 tackles - 9 goals assists ( 22 games)

Jamie Cripps - 34 goals - 30 behinds - 139 tackles - 22 goal assists (25 games)

Didn't have to go outside the state to find a better duo....

Convenient that Ballantyne spent most of the 2015 injured.

Why don't you have a look at his 2014 (the one where he won All Australian)?

Hands up who would take Cripps and Josh Hill over Ballantyne and Walters.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Convenient that Ballantyne spent most of the 2015 injured.

Why don't you have a look at his 2014 (the one where he won All Australian)?

Hands up who would take Cripps and Josh Hill over Ballantyne and Walters.

Literally nobody would put a hand up. It's a terrible comparison.

 

[Spoken4]

Breust and Rioli have your two covered comfortably

Not that much of a struggle to think of surely

Not familiar with hyperbole I see.

 

[dcutter]

Going on 2015, would easily take Cripps and Hill. Ballantyne was a liability this year.

His performances against top sides is woeful. Even worse in finals. Not just this year but across his playing career.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Going on 2015, would easily take Cripps and Hill. Ballantyne was a liability this year.

His performances against top sides is woeful. Even worse in finals. Not just this year but across his playing career.

He was injured for a portion of the year and didn't have a full pre season. You're either a troll or an idiot if you would take Hill and Cripps over Walters and Ballantyne.

 

[Spoken4]

Going on 2015, would easily take Cripps and Hill. Ballantyne was a liability this year.

His performances against top sides is woeful. Even worse in finals. Not just this year but across his playing career.

Freo v Sydney Prelim Final 2015

Hayden Ballantyne - 16 disposals, 6 marks, 3 goals

 

[Reginald Perrin]

He was injured for a portion of the year and didn't have a full pre season. You're either a troll or an idiot if you would take Hill and Cripps over Walters and Ballantyne.

He's an obvious troll. Leave him be. You're making his biscuit moist responding to his BS.

 

[Freomaniac]

Geeze mate you set the bar pretty low!!!!

Far from it. Lyons 1st season was statistically our 2nd greatest season at that point behind 2006. That 2012 season is our worst under Lyon. If Freos board was as stupid as your clubs board, we would of sacked Ross Lyon and replaced him with Scott Watters or Mark Neeld instead.

 

[Freomaniac]

Freo v Sydney Prelim Final 2015
Hayden Ballantyne - 16 disposals, 6 marks, 3 goals

Ballantyne kicked 49 goals in 2014. He lead our Goal kicking that season?

 

[Forward Press]

I'm going to guess, as he's gone through a bit, he wasn't too happy away from WA.

Not denying the homesickness factor brought him back, but RE was claiming that Bennell stated to him, directly, that 'he was the happiest he had ever been'. He wasn't exactly going to claim the contrary when asked, was he?

 

[Forward Press]

I think that was the initial point of the Taberner/Kennedy comparison. It wasn't saying that because Taberner has similar stats to Kennedy after his first 3 seasons Taberner will be similar to Kennedy now, but rather that Kennedy didn't have a big impact in his first 3 seasons (like a lot of tall players) and went on to become one of the best forwards in the comp, so it's possible for Taberner to have substantial improvement left in him.

I think you'd struggle to find a single Freo fan who thinks Taberner will end up as good as Kennedy.

Think you're underselling Taberner a little. He could get there, has the qualities (and the height). Just needs a few more years in the system and it could all click. He's bound to have a few bad games in the meantime, just focus on developing him as a foil to Pav in 2016, and as a main marking target in 2017 onwards. Who gives a f*** what the others think? People mocking 21 year old KPFs after three seasons are idiots.

 

[parsons nose]

Not familiar with hyperbole I see.

So you are advancing an argument that Ballantyne and Walters are superior to Rioli and Breust then, are you?

 

[Freomaniac]

Who said anything about getting rid of him?You are missing the point.

Let me guess... You want Freo to trade 3 1st round picks for Jesse White?

 

[Spoken4]

So you are advancing an argument that Ballantyne and Walters are superior to Rioli and Breust then, are you?

Simply rebutting the stupid suggestion that all Fremantle forwards are woeful.

 

[Keys]

Not familiar with hyperbole I see.

So your post that you struggled to think of a better small forward duo than Walters and ballantyne was hyperbole then

Got it. Carry on

 

[Unique Name]

wal let me save you the trouble

Josh Kennedy @ 22 years old
Games 16
Kicks 150
Handballs 52
Marks 110
Goals 31
Behinds 17

Matt Taberner @ 22 years old
Games 15
Kicks 83
Handballs 42
Marks 51
Goals 14
Behinds 7

If you are going to do a comparison, do it properly.

As for the sharp decline? 2014 Vs 2015 for Taberner averages per game
-1.3 Kicks
-0.6 Handballs
-1 Marks
+0.1 Goals
-0.2 Behinds
-1.5 Tackles

So he improved a whole 0.1 goals per game, but the rest of his stat lines went backwards. Still think it's BS when I said he regressed last year?

I'm amused by the Freo sheep who read his post and liked it, but didn't read further where it got debunked.

LOL @ comparing Taberner to Kennedy.

Kennedy's development at Carlton consisted of Brett Ratten thinking it would be a good idea to play him in the ruck.

LOL at comparing Kennedy a first round pick (Pick number 4 overall) to Taberner a rookie selection.

 

[kane249]

LOL at comparing Kennedy a first round pick (Pick number 4 overall) to Taberner a rookie selection.

Well it was wal who first made the comparison, so point the finger at your fellow supporter there

Still just as amusing the growing number of Freo fans liking it, when it's been thoroughly debunked also.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Let me guess... You want Freo to trade 3 1st round picks for Jesse White?

I think you need to see a specialist mate.
Wtf are you on?