Analysis Gameplan

[triggering bro]

So we should steal his development program?

Whatever they are doing it’s working. Same with Crows, Eagles, Swans & Cats. They have sustained success & are always in the mix for finals.

 

[plugger66]

Ok so we can't get Clarko, (sort of my point, I was agreeing with you) who do you think is better than Richo? And is available?

Kornel


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[triggering bro]

Kornel


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Get Sarnoff as his assistant

 

[Moral Decay]

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Who's this Kornel Dachs St.Kevin's old boys?

 

[Mowman]

True and I agree with the type of players we have drafted or recruited haven't been the greatest decisions and we have glaring holes in our list.

You still have to question WHY so many St Kilda players dont come on after they are drafted?

So how do we account for our lack of effort or any aggression whatsoever since about Round 16 last year?

How do we account for a team that was flying during the Maddie game for Roo and then next week flat again?

Agree we cant and there is no point in sacking Richo but gees he has to get himself and the teams want to play sorted out very quickly for the sake of the club.

If Richo is such a great development coach why are we struggling to see any development

 

[StCicatriz]

Another observation, all these Hawks players are ripped & absolute pros. Meanwhile we’ve got fat cat Billy & Mattess guts. I reckon Clarko would tell the campaigners to get their skin folds down before even being considered for the 1’s.

they seem to carry less weight than us, thinner in the legs. cover the ground a lot better, more agile.

 

[Mowman]

they seem to carry less weight than us, thinner in the legs. cover the ground a lot better, more agile.

can hit a target by foot or hand and are well coached

 

[FQFjt]

Ok so we can't get Clarko, (sort of my point, I was agreeing with you) who do you think is better than Richo? And is available?

I’d have a close look at Ratten. Has senior coach experience and spent time with the Master.

Will never happen though. The club would prefer the appearance of a stable and settled club than to take a punt in ruthless pursuit of success. There’s some merit to that too, but I time is fast running out.


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[plugger66]

Who's this Kornel Dachs St.Kevin's old boys?

Very good


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[Saint Watto]

Hi guys, been reading but havnt posted for a while... although have to chuck my 2 cents in now.

That's a great read there Flying.....quite depressing in content....but a well measured post and IMO.......you've pretty well nailed it.

 

[Saint Watto]

There you go. Never let it be said that I am unreasonable or in denial.

Like I said with Flying VDS......you nailed it IMO.

 

[Saint Watto]

Just watch Brandon White go off and become Tom Lynch 2.0 while many other young career languish.

I go cold just thinking of that possibility.

 

[Quixote]

 

[saintbill]

I’ll just note that Chris Scott said before today’s game: ‘we have more than a couple of plans depending on how the game plays out’.

What are the chances we go into a match with more than a couple of contingencies?

Richo is on record as stating he doesn't worry too much about the opposition. As long as we play the way we want we will get the job done. Lol, what if the opposition has a plan to stop us playing the way we want

Game over, we are cooked.

I reckon Richo would put just about the least effort of all other coaches into analysing the other team. I could tell when he said it that it was not spin, genuinely doesn't rate analysing the opposition as a major priority. Certainly less important than spending his Monday night's talking dribble with Robbo.


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[austinnn]

It's not that I think Richo is a great coach and I'm not even sure if he's a good one, but some of the professional character assassination I've read on this board since last year and obviously particularly in the last week is pretty emotive.

I get that we want to lash out and he definitely deserves some ire, but I do worry that some of you actually believe what you post.

Do you honestly think he doesn't have any opposition planning in place? Or any of the other stuff that's been written lately?

Think back to when he got the job, what do you think he said in his interviews? How did he get over the line? How did he impress his players when he arrived?

I can't believe he's a total spud, even if he's clearly not mastermind. Truth lies somewhere in the middle, as usual. IMO

 

[triggering bro]

It's not that I think Richo is a great coach and I'm not even sure if he's a good one, but some of the professional character assassination I've read on this board since last year and obviously particularly in the last week is pretty emotive.

I get that we want to lash out and he definitely deserves some ire, but I do worry that some of you actually believe what you post.

Do you honestly think he doesn't have any opposition planning in place? Or any of the other stuff that's been written lately?

Think back to when he got the job, what do you think he said in his interviews? How did he get over the line? How did he impress his players when he arrived?

I can't believe he's a total spud, even if he's clearly not mastermind. Truth lies somewhere in the middle, as usual. IMO

We didn’t interview him, he refused to be interviewed because he had gone through the same process Scott Watters went through a couple of years earlier. We begged him to come to us & he took advantage of the situation.

 

[dct66]

Big issues for mine:

- lack fast, agile players
This is compounded by the fact we then don't train all summer long against these types either, so we get a shock to the system coming up against a handful of C - B players who can keep their feet and take off in numbers and use space like we can't

Leads to second point:
- we harass and apply pressure like we are playing against slow movers and slow decision makers like ourselves. Jack Steele might not be able to twist and turn around 2-3 fast approaching tacklers and flick the ball to a free man in space out the back, but a dozen no name players for the opposition can do it like clockwork

Leads to third point:
- Game/contest IQ
Our players, good and bad, don't know how to manipulate contests to our advantage. We're not only behind the ball with player types, but we also don't know how to arm wrestle with these types. We have to rely on the opposition not clicking to be even a remote chance, because they are a step ahead of us in regards to manipulating contests, extracting the pill, using numbers, player movement, and so on.

- player motivation
We're behind the curve with our list and collective footy IQ. It's hard to get pumped up when you're stuck in the mud, burning yourself out for nothing time and time again.

I like this a lot. For a long time I have felt we are a dumb football club. We seem to be behind most other teams in understanding how modern footy is played and it doesn't appear we train for it.

An example: How many times have we seen opposition players get tackled and just let go of the ball. More often than not there is no free kick and to rub salt into the wound the ball goes to a free opposition player and we're left double-teaming the guy who no longer has the ball. The pressure game only works when all free kicks are paid and that's not how the AFL want the game to be played. They want the ball moving continuously so if there are a few incorrect disposals who cares.

 

[StCicatriz]

We didn’t interview him, he refused to be interviewed because he had gone through the same process Scott Watters went through a couple of years earlier. We begged him to come to us & he took advantage of the situation.

This

 

[gringo2011]

As an aside, in the last 5 years has a single young recruit been developed to his pre-draft potential?

I seriously doubt it. Just watch Brandon White go off and become Tom Lynch 2.0 while many other young career languish.


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I actually think we just throw away picks.We traded second rounders away for years now and even getting Clark this year was a strange choice when we really needed to get talent in and start developing it. We see to be disorganised and have several people executing different plans for the list. Nothing we have shown so far suggests that the list is close to complete with way too many of the exact same type who are slow and lack run and spread.

Another benefit of having a coach from a successful club would be that they might bring some demands and systems with them. We really need a Neil Balme director of footy to start making a cohesive off field team.

 

[PaddysurDaddy]

im warming to ratten. what's his role at hawthorn? someone sell his credentials for me?

 

[Baldur]

The seeming inability to stick tackles is driving me bananas. Opposition is constantly standing up and dishing off comfortably when the tackle is applied which largely negates the pressure act. It's like boys against men.

This, so much this

 

[Quixote]

"Boys, forward 50 entries. They need work. So, this week, me and the board pulled a few dollars together and we've got a slab of James Boags Lite for whoever can get the ball closest to the roof on the way in.

Got it?"

 

[gringo2011]

this i dont get. are you saying all the players we drafted, at the time of drafting them, were no good?

The thing is all clubs get players in that weren't as good as they looked in the juniors. All recruiters get some wrong, we just get too many wrong. Plenty of it is our getting cute trying to get Freeman with a second rounder when we should have been going to the draft.

Our match day coaching is extremely rigid & inflexible, I reckon even plugger66 would admit that?

i still think it’s a game plan to paper over deficiencies of the list. We are slow, too inside and weak across every line. The defensive full field press is pretty much standard now too. At the end of the day we have poor skills by hand and foot, have list imbalances and kids that are very slow burn or injury prone.

 

[BrutThough]

I actually think we just throw away picks.We traded second rounders away for years now and even getting Clark this year was a strange choice when we really needed to get talent in and start developing it. We see to be disorganised and have several people executing different plans for the list. Nothing we have shown so far suggests that the list is close to complete with way too many of the exact same type who are slow and lack run and spread.

Another benefit of having a coach from a successful club would be that they might bring some demands and systems with them. We really need a Neil Balme director of footy to start making a cohesive off field team.

What are you going on about.

 

[gringo2011]

What are you going on about.

Sorry didn't explain that, waiting to get Clark this year when we should have gone to the draft last year. We waited an extra 12 months to get a player in. He might be a gun but with our slow development he won't come on until 2022.