Garrett - World Class Backflipper in training

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by noodnuts
.... that new age greenie religion...

Look out everyone ... Andrew Bolt's bought himself a computer !!


As for Garrett's so-called backflip, it seems fairly obvious to me, parden the podiatric metaphors, that in order to get one's foot in the proverbial door, one must initially appear to be toeing the party line.

Simple political manouvering, I would have thought.

I actually look forward to Garrett's honesty in the political spectrum. By hell, he's going to be put through the ringer by the many lower-integrity and less-dignified politicians we've got stacked up impersonating a Government and an Opposition in Canberra.

I've always said that if you really want to change the way things are done, don't be one of those many idiots swinging a placard or a fist in the street. Instead, become part of the machine, and change it form the inside.

Good on you, Peter. And best of luck.

I suspect you'll need it.

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by MGREG
And unlike afc69 I didnt read it in the Murdoch press.

It came to me independently.

Only difference Cheryl was realatively better looking and had more credability.

You haven't had a thought in your life that wasn't fed to you reg. your political insights are straight out of Rupert's rags and your lack of originality is starting to become a theme. I'll bet you think Allan Jones is some kind of royalty and that John Howard is a mover and shaker in world events. If either of these is true, I think I've proved my point. Nothing comes to you independently, you are a parrot.

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by afc9798
You haven't had a thought in your life that wasn't fed to you reg. your political insights are straight out of Rupert's rags and your lack of originality is starting to become a theme. I'll bet you think Allan Jones is some kind of royalty and that John Howard is a mover and shaker in world events. If either of these is true, I think I've proved my point. Nothing comes to you independently, you are a parrot.

How would you know?

All your thoughts come straight out of the left wing schoolteacher book of education. You onl parrot what you have read. You are either Trotsky reincarnate or Pavlov's dog.

My thoughts come out of my life experiences. Out of family members killed by stupid red flagger monsters for no reason at all other than wanting freedom.

From voting Labor when I was younger and being sold down the river by those fcukheads. Never again.

From admiring Keating when first treasurer to wtahcing that prick pretend to be a Collingwood supporter in a cynical exercise only matched by Latham.

So before you tell me how I think, pull your head out of your red arse and smell those stinking ALP roses. Then you might get an idea you idiot Nigel.

Seeing as you are also an Adelaide supporter there is obviously no hope.

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
Still got that chip on your shoulder I see.

No, I am just not an apologist for people who commite crimes against humanity. That is your bag so go for it.

 

[noodnuts]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess

I actually look forward to Garrett's honesty in the political spectrum. By hell, he's going to be put through the ringer by the many lower-integrity and less-dignified politicians we've got stacked up impersonating a Government and an Opposition in Canberra.[/SIZE]

what???......is garrett honest???.....after making millions out of gullible left-wing kiddies and pretending to be the messiah who has come amongst us to save us all from damnation.

garrett is just another politician on the make, nothing more than that.

and as for him being intelligent.....how so?? what makes him intelligent?? if you listen to all that lunnie greenie religious crap you can see these ppl dont use logic and science in their arguements, just religious mumbo jumbo based on scare tactics.

also, garrett's as ugly as a hat full of monkeys!!!

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Originally posted by noodnuts
what???......is garrett honest???.....after making millions out of gullible left-wing kiddies and pretending to be the messiah who has come amongst us to save us all from damnation.

You still haven't provided any evidence where he's claimed to be "the messiah". At least he makes money through expressing his creative talent and personal ideologies, rather than screwing the unfortunate like the current government and their high profile supporters.

Originally posted by noodnuts
garrett is just another politician on the make, nothing more than that.

Wow, it took you this long to pick up on that? Must say something about the intelligence of the average Liberal voter if it took you this long to realise the obvious.

Originally posted by noodnuts
and as for him being intelligent.....how so?? what makes him intelligent?? if you listen to all that lunnie greenie religious crap you can see these ppl dont use logic and science in their arguements, just religious mumbo jumbo based on scare tactics.

This coming from someone who thinks the ALP are out to take over the nation, that Nuclear Power is safe and clean and that the Trade Unions goals include national domination (Reds under the bed! Eeep!).


also, garrett's as ugly as a hat full of monkeys!!

Which of course, is always an accurate description of someone's intelligence and political ability.


Time to go nonuts, isn't your next Cross Burning this afternoon?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by noodnuts
... garrett is just another politician on the make, nothing more than that.

Mere speculation.

Not to mention cheap point-scoring with no foundation.

Originally posted by noodnuts
also, garrett's as ugly as a hat full of monkeys!!!

Sorry, didn't realise that physical attractiveness was a prerequisite for becoming an integral part of a democratic system.

Better bring on Cicciolina's colleagues.

 

[noodnuts]

garrett isn't the messiah..........he's just a naughty boy.

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by MGREG
How would you know?

All your thoughts come straight out of the left wing schoolteacher book of education. You onl parrot what you have read. You are either Trotsky reincarnate or Pavlov's dog.

My thoughts come out of my life experiences. Out of family members killed by stupid red flagger monsters for no reason at all other than wanting freedom.

From voting Labor when I was younger and being sold down the river by those fcukheads. Never again.

From admiring Keating when first treasurer to wtahcing that prick pretend to be a Collingwood supporter in a cynical exercise only matched by Latham.

So before you tell me how I think, pull your head out of your red arse and smell those stinking ALP roses. Then you might get an idea you idiot Nigel.

Seeing as you are also an Adelaide supporter there is obviously no hope.

So all of your bitterness is based on Paul Keating pretending to be a Collingwood supporter. This explains a lot. So it is OK that John Howard pretended to be a Swans supporter at the 1996 GF? Your hypocrisy, lack of cohesion and lack of facts is staggering. You've now just resorted to pathetic abuse as you can't substantiate anything other than trying to paint me as some kind of communist. I find this very interesting given that I am a business person in the evil capitalist world and that I don't distribute my profits evenly amongst the workers, comrade.

The legacy left by the Hawke/Keating Govts. will far outweigh anything left behind by the master of cronyism and deceit. I think Howard will probably get back in again because he is the master of deceit and trickery and has no problem with sacrificing others to absolve himself of responsibility for his actions. As a business owner, I actually have to take responsibility for my actions and those of my employees, it's a pity that Howard doesn't realise this novel principle of leadership.

Greggy you are a Lib. politician's wet dream. Don't question, don't expect anything and be happy to settle for mediocrity. I'd retort by saying that what could you expect from a Collingwood supporter, but I think that would be unfair to Collingwood supporters because you are a special case indeed. I'd be happy to share some of my life experience with you, but I doubt you're interested in hearing about the damage done by right wing lunatics.

 

[MGREG]

If you want an example of deceit remember this


"The tax cuts are law. L-A-W."


Who said that I wonder?

it wasnt the jackboots Keating was it just before re-neging on the so called tax cuts which helped him win an election but were then reversed?

Very selective recollection of deceit.

YOu hear what you want to hear.

If you want right wing dictatorship visit Zimbabwe at the moment.

You allegations about the present government are misguided and borne of a prejudice that no amount of logic can displace.

At least I can say I have listened to both sides.

You sadly never have.

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by MGREG
If you want an example of deceit remember this


"The tax cuts are law. L-A-W."


Who said that I wonder?

it wasnt the jackboots Keating was it just before re-neging on the so called tax cuts which helped him win an election but were then reversed?

Very selective recollection of deceit.

YOu hear what you want to hear.

If you want right wing dictatorship visit Zimbabwe at the moment.

You allegations about the present government are misguided and borne of a prejudice that no amount of logic can displace.

At least I can say I have listened to both sides.

You sadly never have.

That's the only example you can find isn't it Greggy. This is the example that constantly gets used and I agree that this was an act of deception, but I am not so naive to believe that everything is perfect on one side of the fence or the other. You make assumptions that I have never looked at both sides, this is incorrect, I have. You are the equivalent of a reformed smoker, blinded by your new found faith and dead annoying to anyone who you meet. As a businessperson, I have studied the benefits for my business and then mixed this with the need for a social conscience. The Labor party provides no disincentive to my business and in fact founded the very economic conditions which allowed me to build my business. The current Govt. has provided me with the most ridiculous level of red tape I have ever seen and has not made any significant changes that have helped my business, all this whilst destroying an Australia that was compassionate and widely viewed as a land of opportunity for all not just some.

I can only assume that you are filthy rich, old money and wedded to the views of keeping the poor downtrodden as there is no other reason that you could possibly support the current Govt. who has eroded the wealth of those in the lower income bracket, haggled about giving them $4 a week and then delivering tax breaks to those on twice their income. If you're not filthy rich etc. what's your excuse? You think that Howard is making us more secure? If that's the case, you're even more in need of help than I thought. Now try and come back with something tangible other than L-A-W as it's been done (but parroting is nothing new to you is it?) to death.

 

[noodnuts]

Originally posted by afc9798
That's the only example you can find isn't it Greggy. This is the example that constantly gets used and I agree that this was an act of deception, but I am not so naive to believe that everything is perfect on one side of the fence or the other. You make assumptions that I have never looked at both sides, this is incorrect, I have. You are the equivalent of a reformed smoker, blinded by your new found faith and dead annoying to anyone who you meet. As a businessperson, I have studied the benefits for my business and then mixed this with the need for a social conscience. The Labor party provides no disincentive to my business and in fact founded the very economic conditions which allowed me to build my business. The current Govt. has provided me with the most ridiculous level of red tape I have ever seen and has not made any significant changes that have helped my business, all this whilst destroying an Australia that was compassionate and widely viewed as a land of opportunity for all not just some.

I can only assume that you are filthy rich, old money and wedded to the views of keeping the poor downtrodden as there is no other reason that you could possibly support the current Govt. who has eroded the wealth of those in the lower income bracket, haggled about giving them $4 a week and then delivering tax breaks to those on twice their income. If you're not filthy rich etc. what's your excuse? You think that Howard is making us more secure? If that's the case, you're even more in need of help than I thought. Now try and come back with something tangible other than L-A-W as it's been done (but parroting is nothing new to you is it?) to death.

*listen son, your not fooling anyone. no one running a business would agree with your assessment of the relative merits of a labour or lib gov.

labour doesn't provide any disincentives........what the???

how about trade unions and industrial relations legislation that legalizes industrial black mail......or those 22% interest rates......or an inefficient tax system?? ......need i go on??

*give us an example of this red tape and how it compared under the reign of emperor keating.

*when was australia compassionate?? what does this mean......i think you've been reading too many of those left-wing journos and fallen for their black arm-band view of history.

perhaps your just a guilty ridden soul who needs to feel melancholy.

*how can you give tax cuts to the poor if they pay little or no tax??? perhaps you could apply that magnificent business brain to this problem........that's why this gov deals with them thru the social payments system.

 

[desie]

Originally posted by afc9798
When your name is on the silent list, there is not actually a list at the place of polling. You inform the electorate officer that you are on the silent list, they give you the voting papers, you place your vote and they send them back to be counted. If they subsequently find that you are not on that list, the vote is discounted as has happened to Garrett.

To the best of my knowledge this isn't quite right. Your name is on the list however your address details do not appear unlike you or I. So in actual fact his name would have been marked off like everyone else if he had have voted.

I'm still not quite convinced that he's going to make any sort of tangible difference to the ALP's electoral prospects. Bearing in mind that he's got to make Coalition voters vote Labor rather than Greens voters, who direct their preferences to the ALP in overwhelming numbers anyway.

 

[desie]

Originally posted by Freo Big Fella
also, garrett's as ugly as a hat full of monkeys!!

Which of course, is always an accurate description of someone's intelligence and political ability.

Agreed, physical appearance is irrelevant. Doesn't appear to stop the derogatory "Little Johnny" jibes though does it?

 

[Briscoe]

Originally posted by afc9798
When your name is on the silent list, there is not actually a list at the place of polling. You inform the electorate officer that you are on the silent list, they give you the voting papers, you place your vote and they send them back to be counted. If they subsequently find that you are not on that list, the vote is discounted as has happened to Garrett. Quite simple really, hence the photo of Garrett voting in New York 2001 at the Australian consulate.

In regards to Greggy's little Cheryl joke, this comparison was used in every Murdoch gutter rag, so it's hardly a classic. I'm sure Greggy will be pleased that someone thought he was original though.

1. Whats stopping anyone from walking in 15 different polling booths 10 times a day and voting 150 times all up? get a group of 20 doing the same thing and you could well influence a marginal seat.

2. How can they discount your vote if they find you are not on the list? It is dropped into that box with all the others.

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by noodnuts
*listen son, your not fooling anyone. no one running a business would agree with your assessment of the relative merits of a labour or lib gov.

labour doesn't provide any disincentives........what the???

how about trade unions and industrial relations legislation that legalizes industrial black mail......or those 22% interest rates......or an inefficient tax system?? ......need i go on??

*give us an example of this red tape and how it compared under the reign of emperor keating.

*when was australia compassionate?? what does this mean......i think you've been reading too many of those left-wing journos and fallen for their black arm-band view of history.

perhaps your just a guilty ridden soul who needs to feel melancholy.

*how can you give tax cuts to the poor if they pay little or no tax??? perhaps you could apply that magnificent business brain to this problem........that's why this gov deals with them thru the social payments system.

For a start at 39 years of age, I don't think son is an appropriate tag for me unless of course you are 70. Secondly, when I start to take advice on business from someone called Noodnuts, then I am in trouble.

All of the disincentives referred to are not part of the policy of a current Labor Govt. and the interest rates to business were never at 22%. Just pluck those figures at will won't you. The inefficient tax system was one that my business and many others had already set up to deal with and the miserly compensation that we got to offset a change to GST didn't even begin to address it.

Australia was a far more compassinate nation and was prepared to look at issues such as reconciliation, increased refugee intake, increasing humanitarian aid etc. This is alll sidelined by the demonising of refugees, reductions in real aid and the increased expenditure on defence.

I'm not guilt ridden at all, I do however, think that a good society is one that cares for all it's people (even you!). Of course you can give tax cuts to those on low incomes. The Prime Monster will haggle for weeks about an increase in the minimum wage of $19, but won't bat an eyelid at CEO's getting $10 million a year and the salaries paid to his own advisers and department heads who constantly fail to inform him of matters.

The tax issue is quite simple, people on low incomes should be able to claim GST input credits, just like business does. This could be done on what is considered essential items ie: food etc. and could be rebated at end of FY. The reason the Govt. prefers to deal with the issue through welfare is so they can constantly downgrade the services without reducing their tax grab. The public then has no choice and has to take what is offered.

Awfully presumptious of you to assume that that you can't run a business and vote Labor at the same time. I can assure you that there are many just like me Noody, you may even be buying your goods and services from them- better check for the reds under the beds Mr. McCarthy.

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by afc9798
That's the only example you can find isn't it Greggy. This is the example that constantly gets used and I agree that this was an act of deception, but I am not so naive to believe that everything is perfect on one side of the fence or the other. You make assumptions that I have never looked at both sides, this is incorrect, I have. You are the equivalent of a reformed smoker, blinded by your new found faith and dead annoying to anyone who you meet. As a businessperson, I have studied the benefits for my business and then mixed this with the need for a social conscience. The Labor party provides no disincentive to my business and in fact founded the very economic conditions which allowed me to build my business. The current Govt. has provided me with the most ridiculous level of red tape I have ever seen and has not made any significant changes that have helped my business, all this whilst destroying an Australia that was compassionate and widely viewed as a land of opportunity for all not just some.

I can only assume that you are filthy rich, old money and wedded to the views of keeping the poor downtrodden as there is no other reason that you could possibly support the current Govt. who has eroded the wealth of those in the lower income bracket, haggled about giving them $4 a week and then delivering tax breaks to those on twice their income. If you're not filthy rich etc. what's your excuse? You think that Howard is making us more secure? If that's the case, you're even more in need of help than I thought. Now try and come back with something tangible other than L-A-W as it's been done (but parroting is nothing new to you is it?) to death.

YOu are King Parrot. Was that the response they told you to give whenever Keating's lying is brought up?

What is your programmed response to "no child living in poverty" provided by our alcoholic womanising PM? How si that FOR THE BIGGEST LIE OF THE CENTURY"?

Get off the grass. This government has provided economic beneifts to our country that the Hawke/Keating shambles wasnt able to do in 13 years.

How about the recession we had to have? We wouldnt have had to have it if the p.rick at the levers had done his job properly.

What about Pyramid Building Society being a solid financial institution? Which politican said that? WHere is the State Bank? Tricontinental? National Safety Council?

DOnt come in here saying LIbs tell lies as if Labor doesnt. SMacks of Python and "WHat have the Romans ever done for us? "

If you want I will bring them all up. So shut up hypocrite.

Labor is going down big time and it looks like it will be August. Then you can try to appoint a real leader.

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by MGREG
YOu are King Parrot. Was that the response they told you to give whenever Keating's lying is brought up?

What is your programmed response to "no child living in poverty" provided by our alcoholic womanising PM? How si that FOR THE BIGGEST LIE OF THE CENTURY"?

Get off the grass. This government has provided economic beneifts to our country that the Hawke/Keating shambles wasnt able to do in 13 years.

How about the recession we had to have? We wouldnt have had to have it if the p.rick at the levers had done his job properly.

What about Pyramid Building Society being a solid financial institution? Which politican said that? WHere is the State Bank? Tricontinental? National Safety Council?

DOnt come in here saying LIbs tell lies as if Labor doesnt. SMacks of Python and "WHat have the Romans ever done for us? "

If you want I will bring them all up. So shut up hypocrite.

Labor is going down big time and it looks like it will be August. Then you can try to appoint a real leader.

You didn't read the beginning of my last post Greggy and you're starting to show your nasty side now. I said that I wasn't naive enough to believe that there were problems on both sides. How far back do you want to go Greg, do you want us to go back to kneeling and courtseying to pictures of the Queen. Has there been any large scale business failures under the Liberals? HIH, National Textiles (run by Johnny's brother and then bailed out at our expense). You have a very selective memory and the reason for the failures of financial institution s during that time was partly
inept Govt. control, but was also part of the worldwide recession in the late 80's early 90's, which I am guessing you are not going to try and blame the Govt. for?

You really should forgive and forget before the acid in your wound up stomach eats away at you with bitterness. I hope for your sake that JWH does win as I think you would implode if he didn't. At lease you'll have the Herald Sun to tell you how to think.

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by afc9798
You didn't read the beginning of my last post Greggy and you're starting to show your nasty side now. I said that I wasn't naive enough to believe that there were problems on both sides. How far back do you want to go Greg, do you want us to go back to kneeling and courtseying to pictures of the Queen. Has there been any large scale business failures under the Liberals? HIH, National Textiles (run by Johnny's brother and then bailed out at our expense). You have a very selective memory and the reason for the failures of financial institution s during that time was partly
inept Govt. control, but was also part of the worldwide recession in the late 80's early 90's, which I am guessing you are not going to try and blame the Govt. for?

You really should forgive and forget before the acid in your wound up stomach eats away at you with bitterness. I hope for your sake that JWH does win as I think you would implode if he didn't. At lease you'll have the Herald Sun to tell you how to think.

Pyramid, etc solely Labor government. The recession was enigneered by Keating himself. He admitted it. Or dont you believe a so-called Labor man? HAHAHA.

Pyramid was backed up by ROb Jolley State Treasurer In March 1990! Three months before he went under. This from a TREASURER upon which the blue collar workers of Geelong and elsewherer elied and didnt pull out their money.

HIH has nothing to do with the government.

DOnt see you doing any forgiving.

Keep up your International Socialist subscription. See you at the next S11 with the rest of the rabble.

Very desparate attempt there afuc6969.

 

[noodnuts]

Originally posted by MGREG

Get off the grass. This government has provided economic beneifts to our country that the Hawke/Keating shambles wasnt able to do in 13 years.

DOnt come in here saying LIbs tell lies as if Labor doesnt. SMacks of Python and "WHat have the Romans ever done for us? "

that's exactly what i was thinking:

what's john howard ever done for us??

*fixed the tax system
*decreased taxes
*fixed undustrial relations
*reformed the higher education sector
*reformed education system
*provided strong leadership not cowtowing to bleeding heart minority groups
*increased real wages by 14% over the past 8 years, compared with labour's 2% over 13 years
*provided historically low interest rates
*got inflation under control
*freed the workers of australia from forced trade union slavery
*provided our greatest period of economy expansion......an 8 year miracle
*paid off $70 billion of labour's foreign debt
*stopped the boat ppl invading australia
*delivered the lowest unemployment rate in over 20 years

but your right, appart from all that what has john howard ever done for us!!!

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by MGREG
Pyramid, etc solely Labor government. The recession was enigneered by Keating himself. He admitted it. Or dont you believe a so-called Labor man? HAHAHA.

Pyramid was backed up by ROb Jolley State Treasurer In March 1990! Three months before he went under. This from a TREASURER upon which the blue collar workers of Geelong and elsewherer elied and didnt pull out their money.

HIH has nothing to do with the government.

DOnt see you doing any forgiving.

Keep up your International Socialist subscription. See you at the next S11 with the rest of the rabble.

Very desparate attempt there afuc6969.

See you avoided National Textiles Greg. What if Keating or Latham had bailed out their sibling's company whilst watching Ansett employees line up for the dole with no payout?
The Govt. had no choice, but to back the Pyramid BS as the effect of all the customers removing their cash or attempting to would have been even more disastrous at the time. No one gets anything once the doors are closed. Again, I don't defend this situation at all. One of the mistakes that all Govt's make. The only point I make is that the current Govt. are not cleanskins in this regard and their lax approach to corporate governance in a changing world, has contributed to many of the current problems.

HIH does have something to do with the Government. Who runs APRA and ASIC who failed to identify the fundamental problems with HIH and were subsequently found to be incompetent in this matter?

I never have or will attend an S11 protest as this is largely a group of over zealous schoolkids led by agitators who think it is OK to provoke violence in the name of the "cause". I don't disagree with globalisation in totality, in fact most aspects I support other than when it results in companies employing slave labour and ignoring fundamental human rights in the process.

Keating engineered the recession based on the fact that the economy was overheating, which is a standard economic practice. If you don't slow down the spending, the current account deficit blows out without control.Did he go too far? Yes. Was there pain? Yes. Did this result in getting the country back on trackl? Yes. The current Govt. inherited an economy with all the indicators on the up, so it was not difficult to look like a winner. Had Keating been re-elected the same result would have occured and you'd be finding something else to go on about. Was JWH a good treasurer in the FRaser Govt? No, he was quite possibly the most inept treaurer this country has ever had. A large part of the credit for the Govt's current position goes to Costello and I have previously acknowledged this. How far back do you want to go Greg?

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by noodnuts
that's exactly what i was thinking:

what's john howard ever done for us??

*fixed the tax system

That's if you believe that regressive taxation such as GSTs are actually good for the economy. Any system that taxes everyone the same regardless of ability to bear the tax burden is not a "fix".

Originally posted by noodnuts
*decreased taxes

Only if your GST burden is less than the income tax decrease, not likely for those on the lowest incomes. Basically shifted the tax burden from the rich to the poor.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*fixed undustrial relations

By disenfranchisement of the people who actually do the work and reduction of worker's rights.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*reformed the higher education sector

That's why all the students, academics, in fact everyone involved in higher education is so happy right now.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*reformed education system

How? And what is actually better after these reforms?

Originally posted by noodnuts
*provided strong leadership not cowtowing to bleeding heart minority groups

Reacted to populist demands.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*increased real wages by 14% over the past 8 years, compared with labour's 2% over 13 years

If you say so. Can you provide me with stats on this and a breakdown of which income sectors had what wage increases? Probably helps that Labor inherited huge interest rates and inflation in '83, whereas the Libs inherited comparatively low rates in '96.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*provided historically low interest rates

Interest rates were already going down well before 1996

Originally posted by noodnuts
*got inflation under control

Again, the inflation rate was going down well before 1996.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*freed the workers of australia from forced trade union slavery

I doubt the average trade unionist believes this.

Originally posted by noodnuts
*provided our greatest period of economy expansion......an 8 year miracle

Ah, economics, the balm of all things

Originally posted by noodnuts
*paid off $70 billion of labour's foreign debt

At a direct cost to the Australian public in terms of provision of services. Of course if you believe in total user pays that might be OK....

Originally posted by noodnuts
*stopped the boat ppl invading australia

Ohhh, not the scary boat people. There were sooooo many of them weren't there, all ready to destroy the Australian way of life. Ha!

Originally posted by noodnuts
but your right, appart from all that what has john howard ever done for us!!!

Actually the gun-buyback was a good try, albeit not 100% successful.

 

[noodnuts]

Originally posted by afc9798

Keating engineered the recession based on the fact that the economy was overheating, which is a standard economic practice. If you don't slow down the spending, the current account deficit blows out without control.Did he go too far? Yes. Was there pain? Yes. Did this result in getting the country back on trackl? Yes. The current Govt. inherited an economy with all the indicators on the up, so it was not difficult to look like a winner. Had Keating been re-elected the same result would have occured and you'd be finding something else to go on about. Was JWH a good treasurer in the FRaser Govt? No, he was quite possibly the most inept treaurer this country has ever had. A large part of the credit for the Govt's current position goes to Costello and I have previously acknowledged this. How far back do you want to go Greg?

it is beyond belief that any businessman could think like this.

the reason keating gave us the recession we had to have is thru economic mismanagement, pure and simple. john howard has had no problems keeping our economic miracle going despite recession in other parts of the world and financial disasters in asia.

at the end of the day labour had 13 years to fix things up and they failed.

if keating had won the 1996 election we would now be the next argentina and you would be selling pencils outside the train station.

one of the standard cliches from the left-winger's quote book is to say that john howard was this country's worst treasurer........compared to who??......frank crean??.....simon crean??.....paul keating??........i mean, fair dinkum!!!

 

[afc9798]

Originally posted by noodnuts
it is beyond belief that any businessman could think like this.

the reason keating gave us the recession we had to have is thru economic mismanagement, pure and simple. john howard has had no problems keeping our economic miracle going despite recession in other parts of the world and financial disasters in asia.

at the end of the day labour had 13 years to fix things up and they failed.

if keating had won the 1996 election we would now be the next argentina and you would be selling pencils outside the train station.

one of the standard cliches from the left-winger's quote book is to say that john howard was this country's worst treasurer........compared to who??......frank crean??.....simon crean??.....paul keating??........i mean, fair dinkum!!!

Let's try another tack. Did Labor ever do anything correct? If not, then it makes your arguments irrelevant as you are obviously blinded. I am prepared to concede that the current Govt. has done a good job of reducing unemployment, creating favourable conditions for business and reducing debt. Where I have a problem is in the reduction of services to those who need them most, ministerial accountability has disappeared entirely, our foreign policy is totally based on what is good for the US is good for us and many others that I won't bore you with.

You seem to think that simply because someone runs a business that all other areas of life become irrelevant. You may find it hard to believe, but I actually want a better place for my kids to grow up in, not a selfish society that leaves people behind. My existence is not ruled by the almighty dollar, which is perhaps why my business succeeds where many others fail. I believe that my business will continue to perform regardless of who is in power.

 

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Originally posted by afc9798
Let's try another tack. Did Labor ever do anything correct? If not, then it makes your arguments irrelevant as you are obviously blinded. I am prepared to concede that the current Govt. has done a good job of reducing unemployment, creating favourable conditions for business and reducing debt. Where I have a problem is in the reduction of services to those who need them most, ministerial accountability has disappeared entirely, our foreign policy is totally based on what is good for the US is good for us and many others that I won't bore you with.

You seem to think that simply because someone runs a business that all other areas of life become irrelevant. You may find it hard to believe, but I actually want a better place for my kids to grow up in, not a selfish society that leaves people behind. My existence is not ruled by the almighty dollar, which is perhaps why my business succeeds where many others fail. I believe that my business will continue to perform regardless of who is in power.

*what sevices have been reduced?? as far as i can see poor ppl get more gov handouts now than ever before. the standard of living of the poor has risen substantialy thanks to our johnnie, he's the champion of the working class.

*lack of ministerial accountability......compared to who......labour???

*tell your kiddies not to worry, as long as howard stays in charge australia is destined for glorious future and the world will be their oyster.

* as far as i can see no one is being left behind, everyone is benefiting from howard's economic miracle. he has transformed australia in a meritocracy where ppl can succeed due to their talents and hard work, not because they belong to the labour party.

*what is this business of yours that can succeed irrespective of the economic environment?? perhaps your in the sex industry??