Gary Ablett 2016

[brendan84]

Bennell is better than all of them. Smith, Mckenzie, Lynch, Dixon and Matera are better than Vardy and Menzel and that's not even taking account the fact that most of the Gold Coast players are younger.

Throw in Day, O'meara, Prestia for good measure.

 

[muttweed]

Bennell is better than all of them.

Can't argue with that. Bennell is something else.

Smith, Mckenzie, Lynch, Dixon and Matera are better than Vardy and Menzel and that's not even taking account the fact that most of the Gold Coast players are younger.

Comparing 5 players to 2? Let's not go there. If you want to make a fair comparison, choose 5 good GC younguns, and 5 good Geelong ones, then decide.

Smith, McKenzie, Lynch, Dixon, Matera VS Christensen, Duncan,
Hunt, Menzel, Caddy (OR Motlop in case you feel I chose too many mids)

COMBINED DISPOSAL AVERAGES - all of their disposal averages added together
GC: 72.9
GEEL: 80.1 (plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 78.3)

Geelong= 7.2 more touches total

(plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 5.4 more touches total)


COMBINED GOALS -all of their goals in their last respective seasons added together

GC: 36 goals total
GEEL: 80 goals total (plus Motlop, minus Caddy= 91 goals total)

Geelong=44 more goals total

(plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 55 more goals total)

COMBINED MARK AVERAGES - all of their mark averages added together

GC: 20.9
GEEL: 20.1 (plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 18.9)

Gold Coast = 0.8 more marks on average

(plus Motlop, minus Caddy = GC with 2 more marks on average)

COMBINED TACKLE AVERAGES - all of their tackle averages added together

GC: 9.3
GEEL: 14.3 (plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 14.2)

Geelong = 5 more tackles on average


(Plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 4.9 more tackles on average)

You can barely argue that Geelong's chosen group here is that much older than GC's because GC's average age was 20.8 and Geelong's was a tad more at 21.

I doubt anyone can SERIOUSLY argue that GC's young crop are light years ahead of ours, if at all. Using the above statistics, we are slightly ahead in touches, smaaashing them in goals, edged by them in the marks and are fairly ahead with the tackles.

When I mentioned that Patrick's post was fact, I was more referring to the second part of it, which was

Other than this, Scott rotated almost the most new players into the senior side in 2012, with several other promising results. Add to this the VFL Premiership won by a very young Geelong side.

Nothing to facepalm about, as it was all solid hard fact.



I'm looking forward to all the abuse I'll get for this one. Yes, how DARE I suggest that we come close to the almighty Gold Coast Suns!

 

[ajsuperstar]

Smith, McKenzie, Lynch, Dixon, Matera VS Christensen, Duncan,
Hunt, Menzel, Caddy (OR Motlop in case you feel I chose too many mids)

5 mids vs 2 mids and 3 200cm+ big men.
No credibility

 

[muttweed]

5 mids vs 2 mids and 3 200cm+ big men.
No credibility

They are not all mids.

I think you should be focusing on your own' credibility here champ

 

[muttweed]

Keep in mind, I was quoting someone who compared 1 small forward and 1 ruckman to 2 midfielders and 3 ruckmen

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Can't argue with that. Bennell is something else.


Comparing 5 players to 2? Let's not go there. If you want to make a fair comparison, choose 5 good GC younguns, and 5 good Geelong ones, then decide.

Smith, McKenzie, Lynch, Dixon, Matera VS Christensen, Duncan,
Hunt, Menzel, Caddy (OR Motlop in case you feel I chose too many mids)

COMBINED DISPOSAL AVERAGES - all of their disposal averages added together
GC: 72.9
GEEL: 80.1 (plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 78.3)

Geelong= 7.2 more touches total

(plus Motlop, minus Caddy = 5.4 more touches total)


COMBINED GOALS -all of their goals in their last respective seasons added together

GC: 36 goals total
GEEL: 80 goals total (plus Motlop, minus Caddy= 91 goals total)

The other person said

Christensen, Menzel, Vardy, Duncan.. would all have shown as much as any Gold Coast youngster other than Swallow.

I said

Smith, Mckenzie, Lynch, Dixon and Matera are better than Vardy and Menzel

 

[ajsuperstar]

Keep in mind, I was quoting someone who compared 1 small forward and 1 ruckman to 2 midfielders and 3 ruckmen

Im not having a go at you i was saying your results have no credibility, so keep your smartass comments to yourself. Those statistics mean absolutely nothing when comparing those players to eachother. and why would you bother making a comparison if you thought it was illegitimate in the first place? Conclusion - GC younguns still better than Cats

 

[AlterRob]

Im not having a go at you i was saying your results have no credibility, so keep your smartass comments to yourself. Those statistics mean absolutely nothing when comparing those players to eachother. and why would you bother making a comparison if you thought it was illegitimate in the first place? Conclusion - GC younguns still better than Cats

Do St. Kilda have any young players that are half decent?

 

[footscore]

he could play another 8 seasons if his body holds up.

man that's really pushing it but he is an Ablett after all.

Not related to your post but I can't help but laugh at opposition supporters who don't rate our kids, we watch em every week and keep close eye on their pre season etc and the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Menzel and Hunt are as good as what I personally saw in Bartel, Johnson, Kelly and Corey.

They are holding their own in a team that is still as dominant as the best sides in the game and they only getting better as you will see next season.

I'm expecting Duncan to average about 24 disposals, 4 clearances and 25 goals, Christensen around the same while Hunt should be good for about 17 touches.
Caddy should also average between 18-21 disposals & 4 clearances and 17 goals.
Menzel will be slow out of the blokes due to his injury but he's as talented as any young kid in the AFL today.

 

[footscore]

Essendon supporters crapping on about our kids need to have a good look at what they did to your mob in RD17 this year as Smedts, Duncan & Motlop gave a glimpse of what's to come.

 

[ajsuperstar]

Do St. Kilda have any young players that are half decent?

yes we do, we have plenty and i am very confident with them coming through.
thanks for asking.
Now can we carry on or would you like to ask more arrogant, irrelevant questions? Perhaps we should compare jack steven and arryn siposs' stats to vardy and j-pod?

 

[AlterRob]

yes we do, we have plenty and i am very confident with them coming through.
thanks for asking.
Now can we carry on or would you like to ask more arrogant, irrelevant questions? Perhaps we should compare jack steven and arryn siposs' stats to vardy and j-pod?

Now that's a bit silly isn't it, Pods would clearly destroy both of those guys (who?).

 

[footscore]

Now can we carry on or would you like to ask more arrogant, irrelevant questions? Perhaps we should compare jack steven and arryn siposs' stats to vardy and j-pod?

feel somewhat bemused at your teams past decade in retro scope.
The tanking in the early years and then to see them all at the top of their game fail over and over again and now have absolutely nothing to show for it (minus Goddard) and an aging Riewoldt & Milne who are still the key to making finals or not.....must be a tough gig paying money for that membership.

 

[ajsuperstar]

feel somewhat bemused at your teams past decade in retro scope.
The tanking in the early years and then to see them all at the top of their game fail over and over again and now have absolutely nothing to show for it (minus Goddard) and an aging Riewoldt & Milne who are still the key to making finals or not.....must be a tough gig paying money for that membership.

never a dull year down at linen house - certainly get my moneys worth

 

[muttweed]

Im not having a go at you i was saying your results have no credibility, so keep your smartass comments to yourself.

Lol. What are you gonna do?

Those statistics mean absolutely nothing when comparing those players to eachother. and why would you bother making a comparison if you thought it was illegitimate in the first place? Conclusion - GC younguns still better than Cats

Prove it.

 

[footscore]

never a dull year down at linen house - certainly get my moneys worth

 

[ajsuperstar]

oh well done, did you find that video all by yourself?
Seems as though you folks at the cattery get very sensitive if somebody questions your youth

 

[ajsuperstar]

Lol. What are you gonna do?


Prove it.

nothing, why would i bother?
It will be proved over time

 

[footscore]

oh well done, did you find that video all by yourself?

I did
I most certainly did

 

[footscore]

folks at the cattery get very sensitive if somebody questions your youth

not touchy but need to pull you up and people who have no idea what actual quality is all about.
People like yourself did not rate Kelly, Lonergan, Enright even the likes of Wojcinski or Mackie until they finally got talked about in recent years as they should have many, many seasons ago and it's kind of happening all over again with the current crop coming through while the media blow their load over youngsters at Collingwood & Hawthorn.

Young Motlop's averaged just as many goals and just as many possession as what Rioli did in his first two seasons and most opposition supporters wouldn't have a clue which Motlop he actually is

 

[ajsuperstar]

People like yourself did not rate Kelly, Lonergan, Enright even the likes of Wojcinski or Mackie until they finally got talked about in recent year

Young Motlop's averaged just as many goals and just as many possession as what Rioli did in his first two seasons and most opposition supporters wouldn't have a clue which Motlop he actually is

People like myself?
Everybody rates there own higher than what they should especially when it comes to youth
Motlop and menzel are 2 of my favourites in the afl so no arguments here

 

[theta]

Hope he goes back to Geelong, would be fitting, its where he belongs.

Great team with a great history.

 

[keeno 111]

Probably take more money from the AFL and go play for the Auckland Asteroids.

Haha

 

[Leatherpoizoned]

The King is Dead. Long live the King.

 

[PatrickBateman]

When I mentioned that Patrick's post was fact, I was more referring to the second part of it, which was


Nothing to facepalm about, as it was all solid hard fact.



I'm looking forward to all the abuse I'll get for this one. Yes, how DARE I suggest that we come close to the almighty Gold Coast Suns!

No surprise it's Essendon fans getting touchy.. their youth isn't great. Blowing the $$ they did on Goddard (not even a key position player or midfielder) just reeks of desperation. Even Hird, Thompson and Co. are having trouble getting some shine on the turd down there. Midfield still looks like rubbish, without any young genuine prospects in that area. Knack for continually drafting bigger or key position players who don't perform.

But hey.. hanging your hat on Brownlow medallist who had no competition within his own side (like a Boss?) is better than nothing.. yeah?