Geelong rorting the system

[Sentinel]

Is a loophole within the rules, or a way to avoid the rules

A "rort", if you will?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Is a loophole within the rules, or a way to avoid the rules

The loophole is the part of the rules that are perfectly legal but likely don't meet the intention of the rules as written.

It's when you follow the rules exactly and the people who write the rules are upset about the outcome

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Take your pick.

I think it's pretty likely that if this was a clear cut break from rules the afl would come down pretty hard.

The infuse outcome is most likely because it's a result of the way the rules are written, making it no one's fault

 

[captain bloodsport]

The loophole is the part of the rules that are perfectly legal but likely don't meet the intention of the rules as written.

It's when you follow the rules exactly and the people who write the rules are upset about the outcome

If you follow the rules exactly why would you need to use a loophole?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If you follow the rules exactly why would you need to use a loophole?

Loopholes are written into the rules. That's the nature of them.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Loopholes are written into the rules. That's the nature of them.

If a loophole was written into the rules, it wouldn't be a loophole would it? it would be the rule.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If a loophole was written into the rules, it wouldn't be a loophole would it? it would be the rule.

Loopholes are literally the rules. It's an expression describing a rule that doesn't fully cover the desired outcome.

 

[STPer18]

Was a cotton on a sponsor of WB?

Puma are a premium sponsor of Richmond and were paying Martin $500k per season to wear Puma boots. Why does no one want to talk about that, or Nick Daicos signing a huge deal with Nike (a premier partner of Collingwood)?

 

[Cyclops]

I think it's pretty likely that if this was a clear cut break from rules the afl would come down pretty hard.

The infuse outcome is most likely because it's a result of the way the rules are written, making it no one's fault

I think the AFL would more likely cover up wrongdoing.

That said this is probably the AFLs fault, as they cooked up a rule that had a loophole.

I still believe Geelong is no worse than any club at this sort of thing, and (although they have good political connections) they might not be the best at hiding it.

 

[captain bloodsport]

A loophole is an interpretation of a rule that had not been contemplated, i.e., an ambiguity, so technically it is "within the rules" unless and until corrected.

Now how about letting this go? You are like a dog with a bone. Or do we have to put up with your shit for the next five years while Richmond languishes?

I'm sorry I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I will refrain from anymore questions about potential exploiting of loopholes.
Happy Richmond supporter signing off

 

[captain bloodsport]

Puma are a premium sponsor of Richmond and were paying Martin $500k per season to wear Puma boots. Why does no one want to talk about that, or Nick Daicos signing a huge deal with Nike (a premier partner of Collingwood)?

That's a fair question, I think being paid by a club sponsor should be included in the salary cap

 

[Purple Suit]

Puma are a premium sponsor of Richmond and were paying Martin $500k per season to wear Puma boots. Why does no one want to talk about that, or Nick Daicos signing a huge deal with Nike (a premier partner of Collingwood)?

The player side deals and Rorts have a bunch of rules and regs. Most of which Geelong are leaders in loopholing them too.

Geelong has been the first club to give their head coach a 2nd job with a club sponsor. Someone who complained how busy and stressful the head coach job is.

It’s a rort and good to see the AFL finally hitting Geelong with a vague wet lettuce leaf.

 

[kickazz]

Don't know what this is about as it's paywalled..
View attachment 2229301but I'm sure it's rort based.

Rorts are only bad when you aren't in on it.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The player side deals and Rorts have a bunch of rules and regs. Most of which Geelong are leaders in loopholing them too.

Geelong has been the first club to give their head coach a 2nd job with a club sponsor. Someone who complained how busy and stressful the head coach job is.

It’s a rort and good to see the AFL finally hitting Geelong with a vague wet lettuce leaf.

Incorrect on the head coach. Luke Beveridge had an arrangement with Victoria University to work as a professor starting in 2017.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I still can't believe the corruption of Hocking going from Geelong to the AFL, to change the rules to suit Geelong, and gobstraight back to Geeling.
He was sacked from the AFL because he wanted to stay in the job and be Geelong's CEO at the same time.
But he was impartial when working for the AFL. Lol. Lol lol.

 

[Sttew]

I still can't believe the corruption of Hocking going from Geelong to the AFL, to change the rules to suit Geelong, and gobstraight back to Geeling.
He was sacked from the AFL because he wanted to stay in the job and be Geelong's CEO at the same time.
But he was impartial when working for the AFL. Lol. Lol lol.

You tried these bullshit arguments last year and were shot down in flames... as always happens with your baseless posts.

Prove that Hocking was ever sacked because he wasn't, and prove that the rule changes you bleat about were solely for Geelong's benefit. Every football expert agrees the changes were for the benefit of the game... except Richmond who became paralysed and incapable of adapting to the changes.

The 2nd man up in the ruck rule change was brought in by the AFL to thwart the likes of Mark Blicavs. Instead of wallowing and whingeing, Geelong adapted and turned Blicavs into a defender.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

You tried these bullshit arguments last year and were shot down in flames... as always happens with your baseless posts.

Prove that Hocking was ever sacked because he wasn't, and prove that the rule changes you bleat about were solely for Geelong's benefit. Every football expert agrees the changes were for the benefit of the game... except Richmond who became paralysed and incapable of adapting to the changes.

The 2nd man up in the ruck rule change was brought in by the AFL to thwart the likes of Mark Blicavs. Instead of wallowing and whingeing, Geelong adapted and turned Blicavs into a defender.

Did Hocking want to remain on the rules committee after he was appointed Geelong CEO or not?
Answer that simple question if you are able.

 

[Sttew]

Did Hocking want to remain on the rules committee after he was appointed Geelong CEO or not?
Answer that simple question if you are able.

He offered to stay on knowing full well the AFL would put him on gardening leave to serve out his notice period. Why else would he have booked a holiday in between jobs. As you were told in 2024, execs normally have to give a significant notice period, 3 - 6 months, which Hocking did.

I defy you to come up with evidence that he was sacked... clock is ticking

Footy boss departs AFL, reveals Gill's ONLY overrule

Steve Hocking will depart the AFL and return to former club Geelong

www.afl.com.au

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

He offered to stay on knowing full well the AFL would put him on gardening leave to serve out his notice period. Why else would he have booked a holiday in between jobs. As you were told in 2024, execs normally have to give a significant notice period, 3 - 6 months, which Hocking did.

Hocking wanted to wear two hats at once, that's called corruption, that's why he was sacked.
That's a rort from Geelong like many other rorts they have perpetrated.
Has Chris Scott done any work for Cotton on yet besides checking his bank account?

 

[Sttew]

Hocking wanted to wear two hats at once, that's called corruption, that's why he was sacked.
That's a rort from Geelong like many other rorts they have perpetrated.
Has Chris Scott done any work for Cotton on yet besides checking his bank account?

Waiting for you to prove it....

Hocking did not start in the CEO role at Geelong until end of season when Cook stepped down, so how could he wear 2 hats at once. You are so full of Bay 13 shit, you sometimes forget where you are posting

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Waiting for you to prove it....

Hocking did not start in the CEO role at Geelong until end of season when Cook stepped down, so how could he wear 2 hats at once. You are so full of Bay 13 shit, you sometimes forget where you are posting

He wanted to stay on the rules committee, which is supposed to be absolutely impartial, while accepting the CEO job at Geelong the next year.
Can you not see an issue with that?

 

[Sttew]

He wanted to stay on the rules committee, which is supposed to be absolutely impartial, while accepting the CEO job at Geelong the next year.
Can you not see an issue with that?

Prove that he "wanted" to stay on the Rules Committee. I can't find anything on this anywhere. He resigned as AFL general manager of football operations. What don't you get about 'resigned'?

As I said earlier Hocking offered to work out his notice period but Gillon put him on gardening leave. More than 50% of executives who resign do not work out their notice period. You wouldn't know about that, though.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I still can't believe the corruption of Hocking going from Geelong to the AFL, to change the rules to suit Geelong, and gobstraight back to Geeling.
He was sacked from the AFL because he wanted to stay in the job and be Geelong's CEO at the same time.
But he was impartial when working for the AFL. Lol. Lol lol.

Mate, after the second election of Donald Trump this isn't even the most unbelievable thing that's happened in the last 24hrs. Or any of the preceding 24 hour periods for the last week

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Hocking wanted to wear two hats at once, that's called corruption, that's why he was sacked.
That's a rort from Geelong like many other rorts they have perpetrated.
Has Chris Scott done any work for Cotton on yet besides checking his bank account?

Man, I wish I was offered CEO roles as a back up option for getting sacked.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Prove that he "wanted" to stay on the Rules Committee. I can't find anything on this anywhere. He resigned as AFL general manager of football operations. What don't you get about 'resigned'?

As I said earlier Hocking offered to work out his notice period but Gillon put him on gardening leave. More than 50% of executives who resign do not work out their notice period. You wouldn't know about that, though.

I feel like this is one of those conversations with a Trump supporter about something and you realise you can't have a discussion because you're missing about 5 manufactured conspiracy theories that are the basis for their world view and there simply isn't enough time in the universe to unpack it.

20 minutes into talking about the cost of living and somehow Hunter Bidens laptop comes up