Geelong rorting the system

[Cyclops]

Think he did a great job with the list we had this year. Nearly pinched a flag.

This is a pretty fair test.

He took a load of good older players to a gutsy flag in 2011" oh he inherited that list " yeah he inherited it minus Abletts and plus a swag of injuries. Then he kept them in finals 10/12 seasons since with good and less good lists.

I find the bloke unlovable but he can definitely coach.

He builds team spirit well, there's no Clarry/Petracca stouches.

He develops players well, a lot get better when they go ro Geelong but less improve when they leave.

Hes tactically smart. We have a decent record vs Geelong but Scott always organises set plays to get off to a good start: 2011 it was Varcoe starting off half back and pinching some early goals. Recently he's done it with Tuohy, started in the wing and streaked to ff, coupla goals.

I understand there's a support staff and assistants but he's the constant and he's built a consistently good side.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

100% Cotton On were. Obviously the list manager had to approve. But why wouldn’t you wait until free agency? At least both clubs get rightfully paid and that is the fair length of time (6years) for club and player.
Cotton On were paying Tom Hawkins wife, surely this is a major conflict of interest?

Bevo is a “brand ambassador” for one of the bulldogs sponsors. What a scandal!

I have to say I’m surprised at the level of outrage coming from doggies supporters. Previously had seemed a fairly level headed bunch. Seem to have lost the plot in recent days.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

here is the official heirarchy of AFL have's to have-not's, if you're ever wondering why this happened to this club but not that, if you're ever wondering why X got suspended but Y got off, anything and everything, consult the table

Geelong
Melbourne
Collingwood
West Coast
Sydney
Brisbane
Richmond
Hawthorn
Carlton
Bulldogs
Gold Coast
West Sydney
Essendon
North Melbourne
Fremantle
St. Kilda
Adelaide
Port Adelaide

You have got the correct team on top.

But you have the team who has finished last on the free kick differential 3 times more often that the other 17 clubs put together over the last 8 years, as the 7th most favoured club.

 

[random260]

I think more and more people are being aware of geelong crook ways.

Keep blasting that geelong are the only vic club with their own home ground is effective messaging.

The tide is turning for sanctions on the cats

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Everything else aside… I don’t buy into the Geelong conspiracies… but I think it’s pretty bloody obvious that his pay for this should be included in the cap.

I mean seriously… working for a club sponsor? It’s obviously all related. He wouldn’t have the role if he wasn’t coach of Geelong.

Same goes for Tom Hawkins

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’ wife being paid by Cotton On.

Anything being paid by the club goes into the cap… and obviously anything being paid by club sponsors should, too.

Would be a pretty simple rule and if it’s not the case here, it’s a joke. It’s the AFL’s fault, not Geelong’s.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Chris Scott just interviewed on Ch 7. Turns out his new position is not a soft cap rort. The deal was ticked off by the AFL before Scott committed.

If you actually listen to the report it says nothing about how it's not impacting the soft cap - just that the AFL apparently "ticked it off."

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

I get it. There’s a lot of people sick of Geelong’s constant contending.

If I supported another team I’d probably be sick of them too. Maybe I’d even suspect something nefarious was going on. It’s human nature.

If you really are convinced though, and you want to get your point across though, I suggest you provide something more than “feels”.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Reverse rorting?

AFL coach's extraordinary salary sacrifice

Reeling club blown away by selfless gesture

www.nine.com.au

That was the biggest soft cap rort of all, it was obvious at the time. Laughable.

 

[Bluelegs]

Chris Scott just interviewed on Ch 7. Turns out his new position is not a soft cap rort. The deal was ticked off by the AFL before Scott committed.

The AFL ticks off rorts all the time.

 

[Strange Cat]

It’s not about haters, sport or any competition only works within clearly defined rules, as to make that competition fair and competitive. This is such an obvious breach and probably is cheating. How much were cotton on paying Tom Hawkins wife? How did a major sponsor poach a star from another club. Nothing Geelong ‘achieves’ means anything. They have no respect or admiration from the football public that can see this happening.

Poor thing you really need a hug don’t you? I doubt you squeeled this much when Judd was getting extra money from Visy

Have a lie down

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's so good being a clean and well run club.

 

[Toffee Lion]

More so that for someone whose sporting journey of late seemed so grim and brought little enjoyment to win a flag and now revel in the misery of others seems a sharp about face.

Maybe talking all things BL. Not here however.

I'm not sure how I'm reveling in anyones misery? I just found it funny how Elixuh can so easily stir people up.

The Cats won a flag just 2 years ago and beat us in a Prelim in doing so, after also shattering our GABBA dream in 2020. Grim viewing indeed.

Geelong are everything I'd hope the Lions can maintain to be in the near future. FWIW I don't think Geelong are rorting the system, as per the thread.

 

[Leeda]

Cats are wagering their future on the fact that they are not small, they are worth something and they get tetchy about this conundrum that geelong is the little "sister.." I do admire a bit of catology...

 

[HairyO]

You're saying this like the AFL tribunal is a well oiled machine and deliberately made a error in judgement knowing that on appeal the decision would be reversed.

The same tribunal that let's a Brisbane player off because he got a good bloke discount?

The AFL tribunal has been a debacle for 20 years.

All those lawyers and they all forgot to talk about the charge. Im sure that happened.

Not one of them got sacked either. For something apparently grossly negligent.

 

[ShadowCat]

It's a shame people tend to veer towards the conspiratorial rather than utilizing logic. For mine, if he gets another contract after 2026, and it's a lower value...then we can start talking about 'rorts.' As it stands though, Scott is contracted until 2026, which took place before this latest announcement...long before.

I honestly think it means that he'll be handing over to Rahilly come end of 2026 - and he's already taking steps towards his post-coaching career.

Let's revisit this if/when he gets a new contract. For now, we can't rort the soft cap because his contract is already built in for the next 2 years.

The optics aren't fantastic, but logic dictates that this is an outside venture and doesn't change the current amount being paid by Geelong...as it's already a contractual obligation.

 

[Leeda]

The AFL ticks off rorts all the time.

Yes that's the champagne bill for the brown low...

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Geelong supporters claim there is no way their club would ever do something even slightly dodgy. Can’t see any issues with a club sponsor, paying a player from another club and as soon as he can he ends up at the other club who already paying him? C’mon.

 

[hawkman]

Well done Geelong for finding a way to get their coach more money

This isn't a Geelong thing, it is an AFL thing. The AFL slashed the soft cap during Covid and never brought it back close to where it was. Clubs are obviously trying to find creative ways to get more money into their coaching staff when all the AFL need to do is increase the soft cap back in line with how it was heading in 2019

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Geelong are so far ahead of the rest of the comp. Nobody else is even thinking of rorting the soft cap, and we’re just doing it in everyone’s face.

I understand the jealousy.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Great entertainment this thread.

I particularly like the doggy fans all up in arms about Chris Scott

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. Took me 15 seconds to find out Luke Beveridge is an adjunct professor at Victoria University and a brand ambassador for Airport Toyota

 

[PhatBoy]

Geelong supporters claim there is no way their club would ever do something even slightly dodgy. Can’t see any issues with a club sponsor, paying a player from another club and as soon as he can he ends up at the other club who already paying him? C’mon.

Nike are a major club sponsor at Sydney. I bet they already individually sponsored guys at other clubs that have come there in the past. Is that a problem?

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Nike are a major club sponsor at Sydney. I bet they already individually sponsored guys at other clubs that have come there in the past. Is that a problem?

You comparing Nike to Cotton On, that’s a problem. Imagine there are probably quite a few, how many times with Cotton On? Sponsors one player in the league who then ends up at Geelong, Geelong supporters quite defensive for something that is just a ridiculous notion apparently.

 

[rye]

There are too many losers on this site.

Elixuh. You desperately need to get a life.

 

[PhatBoy]

You comparing Nike to Cotton On, that’s a problem. Imagine there are probably quite a few, how many times with Cotton On? Sponsors one player in the league who then ends up at Geelong, Geelong supporters quite defensive for something that is just a ridiculous notion apparently.

Does it matter?
Nike are also a much, much, much bigger company, and would have deals with players, advertising deals and ambassadorial roles etc. Sydney eyes one of them: Nike helps it along. What’s the difference.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

They could just be well run?