Geelong rorting the system

[Purple Suit]

It's a shame people tend to veer towards the conspiratorial rather than utilizing logic. For mine, if he gets another contract after 2026, and it's a lower value...then we can start talking about 'rorts.' As it stands though, Scott is contracted until 2026, which took place before this latest announcement...long before.

I honestly think it means that he'll be handing over to Rahilly come end of 2026 - and he's already taking steps towards his post-coaching career.

Let's revisit this if/when he gets a new contract. For now, we can't rort the soft cap because his contract is already built in for the next 2 years.

The optics aren't fantastic, but logic dictates that this is an outside venture and doesn't change the current amount being paid by Geelong...as it's already a contractual obligation.

Logic dictates that a head coach has only time for 1 job and 1 hat. Any extra media commitments are on behalf of the club & club sponsors.

Imagine if a politician had a side job consulting with party donors or offering services. It’s a rort the AFL signed off on it but they are worse than any single club.

 

[Freddy Swift]

What experience does Chris Scott

Chris Scott

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49

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89kg

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5.4

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5.1

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1.6

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0.4

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13.2

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10.2

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have in finance? Were there any other candidates for the job? Was the position advertised?

Also, in what ways specifically are Geelong a really well run club?


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[Sttew]

Lol, you can't see a problem with the Cats-Cotton On-B Smith situation, because a sports brad who sposors a sports team ad sportsmen might do the same thing.

How about just front up and admit it stinks.

Have a go at Cotton on then...

Smith was out of contract, and before he did his ACL was clearly told he would not be getting the amount of inside mid time he wanted. Then after recovering from his ACL he was told he would not be selected. Who can be surprised he wanted out, and who can be surprised Geelong was interested in the talented midfielder?

The same WB posters who declared WB will be better off without Smith are now crying foul. And old Mediocrity, always quick to join in any anti-Geelong thread, salivating over this one. So predictable!

Loyalty goes both ways.

 

[Strange Cat]

Have a go at Cotton on then...

Smith was out of contract, and before he did his ACL was clearly told he would not be getting the amount of inside mid time he wanted. Then after recovering from his ACL he was told he would not be selected. Who can be surprised he wanted out, and who can be surprised Geelong was interested in the talented midfielder?

The same WB posters who declared WB will be better off without Smith are now crying foul. And old Mediocrity, always quick to join in any anti-Geelong thread, salivating over this one. So predictable!

Loyalty goes both ways.

The same loyalty and respect shown by WB in thanking Macrae and Daniels for their services but ignores Smith’s contribution to the team …yet they sook and complain over his exit

 

[apollo_creed]

Nike are a major club sponsor at Sydney. I bet they already individually sponsored guys at other clubs that have come there in the past. Is that a problem?

Whataboutism mode activated.

 

[PhatBoy]

Whataboutism mode activated.

Well no, it’s not whataboutism because I’m not suggesting Sydney are doing anything wrong, am I. It happens. Players are sponsored and so are clubs.

 

[Del80659]

Geelong are the most dodgy afl club in a very long time.

They should be seen as Manchester city. A club being funded and proped up by evil forces.

Where their wins don't count

and the teams were on drugs just like the managers when they played

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Have a go at Cotton on then...

Smith was out of contract, and before he did his ACL was clearly told he would not be getting the amount of inside mid time he wanted. Then after recovering from his ACL he was told he would not be selected. Who can be surprised he wanted out, and who can be surprised Geelong was interested in the talented midfielder?

The same WB posters who declared WB will be better off without Smith are now crying foul. And old Mediocrity, always quick to join in any anti-Geelong thread, salivating over this one. So predictable!

Loyalty goes both ways.

Uncontracted 26yo Liam Baker gets Richmond a pick that will end up around 16.

Ucontracted 24yo Bailey Smith gets Bulldogs a pick that will end up around 20 with a tiny rd 2 upgrade, maybe making the whole transaction worth about pick 19.

If Geelong paid a fair price for him, and there wasn't the spectre of Cotton On making payments to Smith on Geelong's behalf, then no problem. But neither of those conditions have been met. So we can understand why Bulldogs would be annoyed and why the rest of the competition is looking on saying wtf is happening here, this is a bit of a game changer.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think you're all missing the dodgiest link. Smith clearly getting paid here in untraceable grimace coin

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Tax evasion thrown into the mix now too!

 

[iameviljez]

Logic dictates that a head coach has only time for 1 job and 1 hat. Any extra media commitments are on behalf of the club & club sponsors.

Imagine if a politician had a side job consulting with party donors or offering services. It’s a rort the AFL signed off on it but they are worse than any single club.

It brings to mind the Secret Herbs and Spices for compo: what exactly is the AFL's criteria for this shit?

It would be far easier to just have a blanket rule: no new payments from sponsors to players or other members of their household, barring pre-existing arrangements prior to recruitment, or full-time jobs.

No 'brand ambassador' bullshit. No throwing money at your wife to plug shit on Instagram.

 

[iameviljez]

Uncontracted 26yo Liam Baker gets Richmond a pick that will end up around 16.

Ucontracted 24yo Bailey Smith gets Bulldogs a pick that will end up around 20 with a tiny rd 2 upgrade, maybe making the whole transaction worth about pick 19.

If Geelong paid a fair price for him

Just because West Coast decided Liam Baker was worth p16, doesn't mean we're obligated to throw extra to the Dogs.

 

[iameviljez]

Wasn't Baker an unrestricted free agent?

No, then he would have moved for nothing.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Does it matter?
Nike are also a much, much, much bigger company, and would have deals with players, advertising deals and ambassadorial roles etc. Sydney eyes one of them: Nike helps it along. What’s the difference.

Nike sponsor hundreds if not thousands of sportspeople and teams- cotton on sponsor what one? A business sponsors and pays a player from another club, while he is playing for said other club and guess what he leaves and goes to club who effectively have already been paying him ha ha- seems legit. Anyway I don’t give a enough shits to continue this discussion- just funny Geelong supporters can be so blinded - they kinda like their coach some weird thing about be so much more high and mighty than everyone else, funny really.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Uncontracted 26yo Liam Baker gets Richmond a pick that will end up around 16.

Ucontracted 24yo Bailey Smith gets Bulldogs a pick that will end up around 20 with a tiny rd 2 upgrade, maybe making the whole transaction worth about pick 19.

If Geelong paid a fair price for him, and there wasn't the spectre of Cotton On making payments to Smith on Geelong's behalf, then no problem. But neither of those conditions have been met. So we can understand why Bulldogs would be annoyed and why the rest of the competition is looking on saying wtf is happening here, this is a bit of a game changer.

I think this says much, much more about West Coast than Geelong

 

[iameviljez]

OK, point I was making is that Smith was neither an unrestricted nor a restricted free agent, so either a trade had to be done or he walked into the Draft. You cannot compare that scenario with Baker as different rules applied

How?

Baker was not a free agent. Baker was out of contract. So he would have walked to the draft if a trade couldn't be done.

 

[Purple Suit]

It brings to mind the Secret Herbs and Spices for compo: what exactly is the AFL's criteria for this shit?

It would be far easier to just have a blanket rule: no new payments from sponsors to players or other members of their household, barring pre-existing arrangements prior to recruitment, or full-time jobs.

No 'brand ambassador' bullshit. No throwing money at your wife to plug shit on Instagram.

Yep, or just include it in the soft cap if it comes from a former sponsor, current sponsor or future sponsor.

Adam Simpson owns 2 Hungry Jacks stores, do you recon he got some good deals on those at the time?

 

[iameviljez]

Adam Simpson owns 2 Hungry Jacks stores, do you recon he got some good deals on those at the time?

What a coincidence

And I really don't like it when it's a senior coach or player. It's not like they are sacrificing income like a new assistant or a Cat B rookie.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yep, or just include it in the soft cap if it comes from a former sponsor, current sponsor or future sponsor.

Adam Simpson owns 2 Hungry Jacks stores, do you recon he got some good deals on those at the time?

How do you know who your future sponsor is?

Also if you're getting player sponsorships in the cap you're basically banning them. I'll let you pitch that to the AFLPA

 

[Purple Suit]

What a coincidence

And I really don't like it when it's a senior coach or player. It's not like they are sacrificing income like a new assistant or a Cat B rookie.

Yep,
The other solution is to make everything public once you hit a certain threshold, say 500k. Everything going to an individual that is in a salary cap or soft cap above 500k combined is public. Dodgy deals could be seen as not in the cap, therefore lead to scrutiny.

 

[Purple Suit]

How do you know who your future sponsor is?

Also if you're getting player sponsorships in the cap you're basically banning them. I'll let you pitch that to the AFLPA

Have 3-5 year rule and put the old deal into the current year’s cap. It would make it a lot harder to rort.

Maybe exclude sponsors who are sports sponsors or promotional in nature & the players are doing the work in photo shoots etc. eg. Nike

It’s the ones like a Finance company which seem a huge stretch.

 

[iameviljez]

How do you know who your future sponsor is?

Also if you're getting player sponsorships in the cap you're basically banning them. I'll let you pitch that to the AFLPA

Well, you could time-limit it so that if, say, Rebel Sport comes on as a sponsor, they need to have a cooling off period of x months from any prior payments to players.

And yes, of course player sponsorships from club sponsors should be considered in the cap, regardless of what the AFLPA thinks. Otherwise you're opening yourself up to situations where player X comes to club Y for $800k under the cap, and also a lovely sponsorship from sponsor Z, which is contingent on you signing for that club.

 

[Flamin Joe]

What experience does Chris Scott have in finance? Were there any other candidates for the job? Was the position advertised?

Also, in what ways specifically are Geelong a really well run club?


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"Job", come on that's a bit rich. Just look at the title, "Chief of Leadership and Performance". Pretty obvious it's a made up title which has zero to do with finance.

At most he probably does a few Zoom meetings and gives some "motivational talks" and shows up for the odd function. It's a good thing that in both situations people would have name tags as otherwise he wouldn't know these "co-workers" from a bar of soap.

 

[Sentinel]

This sounds great. Even though I complain often about the burden of my current gig, I'm going to 'prepare' for my next job by taking up a c-suite title role for my future employer whilst staying at my existing workplace for another couple of years.

 

[Purple Suit]

This sounds great. Even though I complain often about the burden of my current gig, I'm going to prepare for my next job by taking up a c-suite title role for my future employer whilst staying at my existing workplace for another couple of years.

I hope your current Boss understands and gives you enough spare time to have a 2nd job. You are going have to tell them about it since nearly every employment contract has it as a condition & they can say no too.

 

[Sentinel]

I hope your current Boss understands and gives you enough spare time to have a 2nd job. You are going have to tell them about it since nearly every employment contract has it as a condition & they can say no too.

If anyone were to question this, they'd just be a jealous hater of my non-traditional sponsorship model extra salary very legitimate preparation gig.