General AFL thread 2016

[plugger66]

what you just said is the key difference between clarko and lyon, or lyon and the rest of the coaches i mentioned.

lyon has the philosophy that it has worked and almost got us there, so why change it? its a proven formula albeit it hasn't achieved the ultimate success

clarko and the other coaches i mentioned see the writing on the wall and where the game is moving too. they change it up and develop it, rather than trying to hang onto something that is now ineffective moving forward

for instance compare clarko to lyon after he won the flag in 2008. after a poor season in 2009, mainly ravaged by injury. just 12 months out from a grand final win, he didnt say well what i have works as we won a flag the year before, lets keep persisting with the game plan and program i have. no he identified that the competition had caught up to him and if he stayed on the current path they would fall further behind. so he re-jigged everything. hawthorn of 2008 was completely different in their approach to hawthorn of 2012 and beyond. clarko's cluster was gone.

this didnt happen with ross at freo after 2013 when they lost a grand final. they've clung onto exactly the same game plan ever since, because it almost worked in 2009/2010. it should have been painfully obvious with how hawthorn managed that game from the very first bounce, that what ross had wasnt going to cut it anymore. it was done. ever since, sides have dismantled freo when it counted through a short disposal game that cut through the outdated zone

after freo were sent packing from last years finals series, he finally after almost 7 years conceded that he had an issue with developing younger players and the coaches around him and that he needed to take a more managerial approach (you can read the interviews on this if you dont believe me). he also cited he needed to be more attacking and the game plan had to change. they had to get better in their disposal. it was like going back in time to 2011 when pretty much everyone but him had recognized this.

so then he goes about achieving this. the best assistant coaches he can bring in to achieve this is a bloke from the VFA that he last worked with at the saints back in 2008. then two ex players from hawthorn with no coaching experience at all, one is made a line coach from the get go (WTF!). he steps back and takes the managerial role. after 4 loses in a row, he concedes that the program has been a failure and he has to resume control. then his game plan reverts straight back to what he was using last year. the only change is he is playing the kids somewhat. i mean why???? surely if the year is a write off and you're in a rebuild, you start engineering the game plan to how you want it

its just utterly bizarre and show's he is incapable of adapting and learning and that freo cannot attract the assistant coaches he needs

the only staggering thing is there are people out there that still dont see this/it has gathered the attention from the media it should have

as grant thomas said when he read ross lyons interview in the last off-season. its concerning you have a senior coach with almost 10 years experience now identifying things he should have addressed in his 2/3rd year in the job

The game couldn't have changed to much if freo finished on top last year. That's a pretty good start to a finals campaign especially when people say the side wasn't that good. Have you actually thought he coaches the way he does because the sides really don't have anywhere near the best list? By the way Mark Stone is very experienced assistant coach.

All I know is Lyon inherited 2 lists that weren't top 4 material and made both of them top 2 material. That is fact. He has faults but so do most coaches. Lets wait and see what he does in the next few years before we write him off. He still was part of my best AFL/VFL experience since I followed the game so unlike most I thank the guy and think he is a very good coach.

 

[Defacto]

The game couldn't have changed to much if freo finished on top last year. That's a pretty good start to a finals campaign especially when people say the side wasn't that good. Have you actually thought he coaches the way he does because the sides really don't have anywhere near the best list? By the way Mark Stone is very experienced assistant coach.

All I know is Lyon inherited 2 lists that weren't top 4 material and made both of them top 2 material. That is fact. He has faults but so do most coaches. Lets wait and see what he does in the next few years before we write him off. He still was part of my best AFL/VFL experience since I followed the game so unlike most I thank the guy and think he is a very good coach.

you just completely ignored everything i wrote... well done. this is pointless if you're not going to engage in a discussion

 

[plugger66]

you just completely ignored everything i wrote... well done. this is pointless if you're not going to engage in a discussion

I don't think I ignored anything you said. You said Clarko changed the game plan and I said that maybe Lyon didn't change the game plan because he thought it was best for his players amd finishing on top last year means it nearly worked considering the state of the list. You also said something about inexperienced coaches and I said Stone is very experienced. Anyway we are not going to change our minds. I really rate lyons coaching and love what he nearly did for our club. I actually don't quite get where you stand on Lyon as a coach at the saints.

 

[Choomah]

Yep you need to leave that rock you obviously live under. I'm happy to tell you their names and why I know them. Steven grace and Mark Stone played footy with me at Ormond in 1990. Well I didn't play but was the Ormond umpire and bar manager and Danny Sexton who was in charge of the development of young recruits when he first came to the Saints so he was at my house quite a bit. I may talk crap but I don't lie when I say I know someone. Pity the only thing you get to know under a rock is ants and spiders.

But you do know a good footballer by how pretty they are.

Ah yes of course I live under a rock because I don't claim to know every afl player their families their dogs sisters cousins uncles neighbours

 

[gringo2011]

The game couldn't have changed to much if freo finished on top last year. That's a pretty good start to a finals campaign especially when people say the side wasn't that good. Have you actually thought he coaches the way he does because the sides really don't have anywhere near the best list? By the way Mark Stone is very experienced assistant coach.

All I know is Lyon inherited 2 lists that weren't top 4 material and made both of them top 2 material. That is fact. He has faults but so do most coaches. Lets wait and see what he does in the next few years before we write him off. He still was part of my best AFL/VFL experience since I followed the game so unlike most I thank the guy and think he is a very good coach.

It hasn't changed enough to make them last but I think he has a game plan that is the most negatively effected by the way footy has evolved. He really likes to make everything a rolling maul and defend zones. The way the footy is being played now is fast paced and doesn't allow teams to get back into zone formations. Even when Essendon was terrible under Knights they would beat us every time because he played whiplash footy with such fast ball movement we couldn't cover them.

He is an excellent coach but he will have to do a fair bit of reinventing and they need to change a few players over. bennell would probably be the type they need more of. Probably even more that KPFs really, Carlton are playing okay with one of the worst forward lines in history. The Blues have a good spread of quality mids and runners though. Lyon has a very stodgy list with slow sloppy players.

 

[plugger66]

Ah yes of course I live under a rock because I don't claim to know every afl player their families their dogs sisters cousins uncles neighbours

I'm sorry you don't know AFL people. Its not that exciting but it can add to the discussion. Rocks are good I suppose. I will never find out because I go out and meet different people. I'm sure you can lift the rock up and go out in the real world. I also know Hardwick and Bevo. I can give you more but its not that exciting.

 

[austinnn]

The AFL golden circle revolves around Plugger at his footy club bar. All the lines trace back to that singularity. It's the P66 illuminati. His is the unseen hand that writes the destiny of our great sport. If you've supped from his cup, you've been anointed.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I think Ross is a very good coach who excels when he has a group of mature, seasoned players in their prime.

Freo's issues are a bit of a mix of injuries, the old blokes slowing down & the new rules effecting their contesting game style.

I was really dirty on Ross bolting like he did as I was looking forward to watching him rebuild the club and rebuild it his way (and not inherit a list of guns and spuds like he did from GT). He didn't take that opportunity for whatever rea$on.

I know a lot of supporters are still very dirty on him and that's fair enough... personally I hope he does stick around and rebuild Freo to a point where they are a good side again. How long that takes? Well they have certainly gone all in to win a flag & the cupboard is pretty bare under Fyfe & Neale (excluding the geriatrics). It might be accelerated if Hogan up & heads west but I wouldn't be surprised if WC have a massive go at him if he's available.

Freo are just about last on my list of teams to worry about, they're going in the exact opposite direction that we are!

 

[plugger66]

The AFL golden circle revolves around Plugger at his footy club bar. All the lines trace back to that singularity. It's the P66 illuminati. His is the unseen hand that writes the destiny of our great sport. If you've supped from his cup, you've been anointed.

I'm pretty sure when I mention someone its relevant. To be honest I think the reactions are very funny and it says more about the people who say something than me but of course that's my opinion.

 

[Defacto]

I don't think I ignored anything you said. You said Clarko changed the game plan and I said that maybe Lyon didn't change the game plan because he thought it was best for his players amd finishing on top last year means it nearly worked considering the state of the list. You also said something about inexperienced coaches and I said Stone is very experienced. Anyway we are not going to change our minds. I really rate lyons coaching and love what he nearly did for our club. I actually don't quite get where you stand on Lyon as a coach at the saints.

you did ignore it and it didnt nearly work. he had two consecutive years of being bounced out of the finals series when it was clear what he had wasnt going to work. what you are saying is exactly why ross lyon isnt as good as the coaches that have sustained success, its my argument

your argument is he's a good coach because he has got the best of the list he has and that he is justified in not adapting as he almost got there

my argument is that he's a flawed coach inferior to the coaches that have sustained success as he hasnt adapted like the others have

mark stone isnt a sought after coach IMO and for someone who's the stoppage coach an area ross has singled out as having gone massively backwards and something he was going to have take control over again, i'd be worried

they just dont get the sought after elite assistant coaches

 

[plugger66]

you did ignore it and it didnt nearly work. he had two consecutive years of being bounced out of the finals series when it was clear what he had wasnt going to work. what you are saying is exactly why ross lyon isnt as good as the coaches that have sustained success, its my argument

your argument is he's a good coach because he has got the best of the list he has and that he is justified in not adapting as he almost got there

my argument is that he's a flawed coach inferior to the coaches that have sustained success as he hasnt adapted like the others have

mark stone isnt a sought after coach IMO and for someone who's the stoppage coach an area ross has singled out as having gone massively backwards and something he was going to have take control over again, i'd be worried

they just dont get the sought after elite assistant coaches

Ok then.

 

[TheLonieRanger]

jesus, they have different names, but I feel like I'm reading the same thread over and over


plugger, you are unbearable

 

[sammm]

jesus, they have different names, but I feel like I'm reading the same thread over and over


plugger, you are unbearable

thats why he is on my ignore list

 

[plugger66]

jesus, they have different names, but I feel like I'm reading the same thread over and over


plugger, you are unbearable

I know. Ive put myself on ignore, you should try it. It is very easy.

 

[Nutsngum]

Indeed, the best way to post on a forum is to gradually force everyone to put me on ignore.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Not a good look when one coach criticizes another. Then again, refusing to talk to your own player when he is trying to get hold of you after being accused of selling out his club is not so crash hot either. Get off your high horse, Bevo.

Have quoted myself.....if anyone doesn't really think that Barrett reads our BF posts, have a look at his offering today!

IF
it is supposedly disgusting to publicly question lopsided free-kick numbers ... ... we would have thought it was also that to refer one of your own players to the AFL for investigation without beforehand personally allowing a right of reply from the player himself.

 

[TheLonieRanger]

thats why he is on my ignore list

but he made me sign in to do it!

 

[austinnn]

Edit: moved to appropriate thread.

 

[Jack Stevens]

Cameron Ling is the real life version of Mr Peanut Butter from Bojack Horseman

 

[Dopey BJ]

F@#$%N love TEX

 

[Barrels]

Cameron Ling is the real life version of Mr Peanut Butter from Bojack Horseman

 

[Dopey BJ]

Players at the top look familiar

 

[pebblesofsand]

Rhys Stanley has started well !!!

 

[holllywood]

Love watching Dan Menzel play. An enormous talent who could have easily retired but persevered and is now playing good football apart from when kicking for goal.

 

[Dopey BJ]

Rhys Stanley has started well !!!

I still get worried he is about to cop a injury, usually happens with a good start, hope his luck changes