General AFL Thread

[joop]

Thats terrible news for Racca. Hope he recovers quick... On dodging bullets. Can one really predict an acl. Did he have problem knees? Its just tattslotto isnt it

Just because we didn't predict it doesn't mean we haven't dodged a bullet. Everyone was screaming for us to take Petracca, and we went against almost everyone (1 other team said they would've taken McCartin), Bewick (Petraccas coach) said we'd regret it for years.
As it stands now we have definately dodged a bullet, McCartins doing really well and Petraccas out for a year.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Thats terrible news for Racca. Hope he recovers quick... On dodging bullets. Can one really predict an acl. Did he have problem knees? Its just tattslotto isnt it

Dodgy hips


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[FlyingSledghamer]

Just because we didn't predict it doesn't mean we haven't dodged a bullet. Everyone was screaming for us to take Petracca, and we went against almost everyone (1 other team said they would've taken McCartin), Bewick (Petraccas coach) said we'd regret it for years.
As it stands now we have definately dodged a bullet, McCartins doing really well and Petraccas out for a year.

yeah we definitely dodged a bullet. I was one of those guys crying when we didnt take him. But i wonder. If the club ever genuinely were gona take him over Paddy.

 

[joop]

yeah we definitely dodged a bullet. I was one of those guys crying when we didnt take him. But i wonder. If the club ever genuinely were gona take him over Paddy.

Probably won't know for a few years. Looking back, and looking forward to this years draft, it makes a hell of a lot more sense we took Paddy.

 

[Keg on legs]

Feel for the kid. Terrible luck. Hope for his sake he comes back well from this.

 

[TN25]

Bad news about Petracca. But this is just another reason that I'm happy we picked McCartin

 

[Defacto]

would the increased workload and his body shape contirbuted to it? i know melbourne are really hitting them hard at the moment, including the first years

 

[sammm]

Its more that you see some players sustain massive knee "trauama" so to speak and are right the next week with no lasting injuries and then you land badly and pop. Or reverse that. Just seems completely arbitrary. Bleh.

How come it doesn't happen often in soccer?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

How come it doesn't happen often in soccer?

They jump less and the bodies have less muscle mass on them.

Most soccer players are between 65 to 85 kilos.

 

[SpannaMan]

They jump less and the bodies have less muscle mass on them.

Most soccer players are between 65 to 85 kilos.

Not sure I follow that logic. If it was about muscle mass then why do female soccer players have about twice the number of ACL injuries then males?

Think there is something more going on... That being said I'm no sports scientist.

http://www.momsteam.com/anterior-cr...all-gender-difference-found-football-has-most
http://www.momsteam.com/health-safe...reduces-acl-injuries-in-female-soccer-players

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Feel for the kid - you don't wish that on any player or club (not even Essendope and Carlscum )

Hope he comes back fitter and stronger...

 

[joop]

would the increased workload and his body shape contirbuted to it? i know melbourne are really hitting them hard at the moment, including the first years

Their first year players were on a modified program, pretty much identical to ours in terms of workload

 

[aussierulesrules]

Kreuzer's abysmal injury run continues, he'd apparently had by far his best preseason for years, too, so that's terrible for him, feel bad for him.

 

[Rors]

would the increased workload and his body shape contirbuted to it? i know melbourne are really hitting them hard at the moment, including the first years

Taking carbs completely out of the diet of a boy raised in a traditional Italian household probably contributed more than anything else

 

[hayes]

would the increased workload and his body shape contirbuted to it? i know melbourne are really hitting them hard at the moment, including the first years

I don't think anybody really knows what contributes to tearing an ACL (conclusively anyway). Like not even one thing. Just really ordinary luck if I'm not mistaken.

Feel for the kid. Good luck to him.

 

[Strahany]

Speaking of Paleo, this was a really interesting article on Jack Fitzpatrick the other day, talking about how the change of diet has changed his life:

"Fitzpatrick, diagnosed with type one diabetes in 2012, believesMelbourne’s low carbohydrate/high-fat diet – in contrast to the carbohydrate-heavy diet generally favoured by modern athletes – has helped him train at a higher intensity for longer. After a period of adaptation, which Fitzpatrick estimates took up to a month, the young forward has cut down on his insulin reliance and is starting to lead a more 'normal' life.

Until now, Fitzpatrick has had to inject insulin into his body with every meal he eats. He will still need to closely monitor his blood sugar levels, even during games, but the general convenience of his life has improved dramatically.

"The simplest way of putting it is that I've gone from having four injections of insulin a day to one," Fitzpatrick told AFL.com.au.

"It restores life to how it was three years ago before I was diagnosed."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-29/four-injections-now-only-one?utm_medium=RSS

I wonder if we might look into that for Paddy if it continues to be so successful for Fitzpatrick?

It's likely that the almost complete absence of carbohydrates from Fitzpatrick's diet has resulted in upregulated insulin sensitivity. In short, insulin serves to insert membranous transporters on cells (e.g GLUT4, in skeletal and cardiac muscle) which allows glucose intake, which is then metabolised for energy. The greater the insulin sensitivity, the less that is required to achieve the same response. Carbohydrates are a cause of a significant spike in insulin levels, as they illicit a large release from the pancreas.

Low carbohydrate intake contributes to increased insulin sensitivity through a few different pathways, but it essentially boils down to the fact that, much like most systems in the body and in pharmacokinetics, overstimulation results in a deadening in response strength. Thus, the under stimulation of insulin-dependent effects (due to a reduced incidence of insulin spikes and less need for it, in general) has the opposite effect.

The same insulin-effects have been observed in individuals that follow an Intermittent Fasting regime. A quick search online will indicate that, contrary to what would be logically assumed, there is no statistically significant benefits to training for a performance event whilst on such a diet as Melbourne's. IMO, if they wanted to achieve similar end results, an Intermittent Fasting protocol is far more practical, as it still allows carbohydrate consumption as required, thus meaning it could be maintained year-around, whilst Melbourne's no-carb approach would be ridiculous on game day. Not to mention that it tends to have a better adherence rate than the paleo diet (people generally find it easier to abstain from all food for X hours, as opposed to "Y foods", permanently).

tl;dr A bunch of physiological drivel, followed by: I hope the club isn't stupid enough to follow Melbourne's lead here, with Patty, when there are better alternatives.

 

[holllywood]

Devastating news for CP but plenty of players have come back successfully after an ACL so hopefully the AFL gets to see the best of him still.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Melbourne aren't on no carbs though, they are only following the diet to a certain degree and I doubt they would be disappointed about the results of it on Fitzpatrick so far, nor the others who reckon they feel a lot better than they used to.

I fully expect that better alternatives will be found down the track, as these things are always evolving and now lessons are always being learned, but they don't seem to have too many complaints so far.

Chances are that it will work well for some and not so well or at all for others and that those who have fared well on it will largely stick with it while the others will move on and seek better solutions for themselves.

Intermittent fasting does seem to have some real merit though. I've seen a couple of programs on the 5/2 diet and it seems to have the potential to make a big positive difference to long term health.

 

[dewah07]

This brings me back to petraccas parents asking tough questions to when Melb officals visited his house. Gutted for petracca and his family, couldn't give a stuff about Melbourne

 

[Strahany]

Melbourne aren't on no carbs though, they are only following the diet to a certain degree and I doubt they would be disappointed about the results of it on Fitzpatrick so far, nor the others who reckon they feel a lot better than they used to.

I often get lazy when addressing no/low carb dieting. As far as the major physiological effects are concerned, the terms are interchangeable, provided that if they are, in fact, consuming some amount of carbs, the total carb count isn't high enough to bring them out of a state of ketosis (normally around 50g per day, but individual numbers vary greatly).

 

[Keg on legs]

How come it doesn't happen often in soccer?

It does happen- 5 or 6 times a game. Haven't you seen them roll around like they've been shot? Thankfully for soccer, they have that magic spray that makes everything ok.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

I dont know if u can blame paleo diet on knee problems if anything less weight should relieve stress on knees

 

[Persevering Saint]

I dont know if u can blame paleo diet on knee problems if anything less weight should relieve stress on knees

I know, right? I make a silly statement, and everybody actually starts discussing the possible connections?!

 

[Rors]

Did no one notice the in my previous post about no carbs diet & Petracca being from a traditional Italian household contributing to the injury...

... It was a joke

 

[Kilroy]

I dont know if u can blame paleo diet on knee problems if anything less weight should relieve stress on knees

Adding to that he's got a horrible lumbering running gait. He seems to always be lurching forward and rolling from side to side. That's gotta put extra pressure on the knees too.
Good time to get a running coach and relearn the basics. Robert Harvey is as good as any to model your running posture on, and short strides worked wonders for him.
Just sayin'.