Getting a game on reputation

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Bastinac, Ziebell, Swallow, Petrie, Black, Mullet, Adams, Tarrant.

That's 8 guys out of form who are being carried.

It's clear Scott thinks they are all part of the best 22, but they are the cause of why form is fluctuating week to week.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Bastinac, Ziebell, Swallow, Petrie, Black, Mullet, Adams, Tarrant.

That's 8 guys out of form who are being carried.

It's clear Scott thinks they are all part of the best 22, but they are the cause of why form is fluctuating week to week.

can't blame Tarrant, clearly underdone and it was pretty obvious it was the selection commitee's mistake.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

can't blame Tarrant, clearly underdone and it was pretty obvious it was the selection commitee's mistake.

He played all of last year on what he might provide.

 

[King Corey]

The overrating of Tarrant was getting pretty silly while he was out.

But agree with roos_fanatic08. He didn't pick himself. He just continued a long tradition under Brad of playing underdone blokes based on name only.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

The overrating of Tarrant was getting pretty silly while he was out.

But agree with roos_fanatic08. He didn't pick himself. He just continued a long tradition under Brad of playing underdone blokes based on name only.

Most definitely. Tazz isn't a world beater. He is a role player. When he can't play his role he offers next to nothing. He was unable to get near it tonight because he work rate was well below par, due to being underdone. Stupid stupid stupid bringing him back so soon after nearly 6 months off.

 

[kelman]

Bastinac, Ziebell, Swallow, Petrie, Black, Mullet, Adams, Tarrant.

That's 8 guys out of form who are being carried.

It's clear Scott thinks they are all part of the best 22, but they are the cause of why form is fluctuating week to week.

Firstly, Swallow? Seriously?

Secondly, do you think we would be better if we dropped these guys?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Firstly, Swallow? Seriously?

Secondly, do you think we would be better if we dropped these guys?

Swallow isnt in on form.

Of course we shouldnt drop all of them.

But we cant carry them all either.

 

[trooroo4life]

Secondly, do you think we would be better if we dropped these guys?

I think the players mentioned might be better if they were dropped.

Ziebell is a prime example. Im a huge fan, but this should of been his year but instead its probably been his worst. Dont care if he is a favourite, cant be carried.

 

[kelman]

Swallow isnt in on form.

Of course we shouldnt drop all of them.

But we cant carry them all either.

You don't think Swallow's 29 possession/7 tackle game against Richmond was enough for him to hold his spot?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You don't think Swallow's 29 possession/7 tackle game against Richmond was enough for him to hold his spot?

Yeah fair call.

He's the one who gets the most leeway.

But you'll have to acknowledge he was pox tonight.

And he bleeds for the club so I hate to say it, but he was poor tonight.

 

[Psicosis]

Problem is that none will get dropped because we are well and truly still in contention, so they will show up against a bottom 4 side, beat them convincingly, get their soft out the back possessions, and this whole board will once again go onto overrate them.

 

[koshari]

The overrating of Tarrant was getting pretty silly while he was out.

Almost as bad as Harper.

 

[kelman]

Problem is that none will get dropped because we are well and truly still in contention, so they will show up against a bottom 4 side, beat them convincingly, get their soft out the back possessions, and this whole board will once again go onto overrate them.

Might have more sting if we had not beaten Freo, Sydney and Port this year...

The overrating is when people assume that we have VFL players that could replace these guys and have us in the same position (which is just out of top 4 having played 6 of the top 7, three outside Melbourne).

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Basti is the one who has me dumfounded. Butchers the ball,makes silly decisions and is just not getting enough of it. JZ is almost in the same category. I'm going to give our forwards a break because our ball movement was putrid. When we move the ball well they have generally been ok.

The thing that is probably saving a few of them is that a lot of our younger depth players have been injured

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Might have more sting if we had not beaten Freo, Sydney and Port this year...

The overrating is when people assume that we have VFL players that could replace these guys and have us in the same position (which is just out of top 4 having played 6 of the top 7, three outside Melbourne).

This is the thing. They may be out of form or overrated or both. But they are all proven better players than any alternatives, and they have all proven their quality again this season - not at all consistently, and rarely at the same time, but still have all been part of very good wins as well as disappointing losses. If you were choosing a team to win, who specifically would you take out and who specifically would you replace them with?

 

[Jack Reacher]

Bastinac is the new Picioane, pathetic!

 

[Deadeyeroo]

This is the thing. They may be out of form or overrated or both. But they are all proven better players than any alternatives, and they have all proven their quality again this season - not at all consistently, and rarely at the same time, but still have all been part of very good wins as well as disappointing losses. If you were choosing a team to win, who specifically would you take out and who specifically would you replace them with?

Firstly I would drop Tarrant until he starts marking the ball atleast 10 marks in a game, he hasnt marked the ball well for 3 years. I would replace him with Wood. He was leading the goal kicking this year in the VFL and we need a lead up forward desperately. Happy to persist with Petrie for now, for a couple of more games at least. Consider dropping Black but happy to give him a few more games too.

Happy to drop Bastinac and give Dumont a start, he's been among the best the last couple of weeks in he magoo's.

These guys need a rocket and to be let know that noone will be gifted games anymore, this has been happening for too long now.

 

[Benno_900]

can't blame Tarrant, clearly underdone and it was pretty obvious it was the selection commitee's mistake.

Yeah, but he got a game on name only.

Ugly message to send to Majak and co. To select a half-fit average player over them.

 

[Harris 10]

Patch Adams:

19 of his last 32 games under 20 touches and most well under.

20 of his last 32 he's gone without a goal.

6 goals in 12 games this year.

For a player who plays high half forward/midfield roles these numbers are unacceptable.

Instead of dropping him we reward him with a contract.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Patch Adams:

19 of his last 32 games under 20 touches and most well under.

20 of his last 32 he's gone without a goal.

6 goals in 12 games this year.

For a player who plays high half forward/midfield roles these numbers are unacceptable.

Instead of dropping him we reward him with a contract.

Great research.

 

[King Corey]

Bastinac is the new Picioane, pathetic!

Wouldn't have minded Jess Sinclair ironing out Basti after that non-effort last night..

 

[lockheed]

I come to the same conclusion, from a slightly different angle. I can accept that we almost certainly don't have the most talented list, or the most depth, or very many A-list players. What bothers me most, though, is how often other teams beat us through much greater desire, intensity and work rate.

We know that Brad has a core team of perhaps 14 or 15 players, and that they are almost certain that they will never be dropped. He expects that their game can be fine tuned so that they play to their potential. It's a great idea in principal, as it means we have our 'best team on paper' on the park, but I don't think it's working. I want our players to know that, if they've had a poor game, they're playing for their place in the side. If that doesn't motivate them to play with real intensity, then I simply don't think they should be playing in the senior team.

I no longer care if the player that replaces them isn't as good a player, or doesn't have their potential, or isn't part of Brad's long term plan for the team. I no longer care that if, on paper, the team is weakened. If the replacement player will play with intensity and passion, and play their role in the team, let's bring them in. The player they've replaced can play in the reserves until they can demonstrate form and appetite.

I don't know whether our third quarter against Richmond was brilliant because finally everything clicked, or because we were playing against witches hats. We're likely to make the finals, but on current form, we're as likely as not to get an embarrassing thrashing in the first week, again. And I can't think of any reason why, with the same approach, we would necessarily be any better next year or the year after.

If this means that, by the end of the season, maybe a third of the team, or maybe more, have had a stint in the reserves, well, so be it. And I'd have no problem if they include some of our players with the biggest reputations. I don't even mind if it means that we don't make the finals this year. I want the team to develop the sort of hard-edged, focused and professional culture that the best teams have. I don't believe we have that culture, at this rate I don't think we'll get that sort of culture in the foreseeable future, and I can't see us being successful without that sort of culture.

Now putting on my best flame ******ant suit

 

[Quivorir]

Patch Adams:

19 of his last 32 games under 20 touches and most well under.

20 of his last 32 he's gone without a goal.

6 goals in 12 games this year.

For a player who plays high half forward/midfield roles these numbers are unacceptable.

Instead of dropping him we reward him with a contract.

Carried this campaigner for two years now. ****ing sick of it.

 

[Jack Reacher]

I come to the same conclusion, from a slightly different angle. I can accept that we almost certainly have the most talented list, or the most depth, or very many A-list players. What bothers me most, though, is how often other teams beat us through much greater desire, intensity and work rate. I don't know whether our third quarter against Richmond was brilliant because finally everything clicked, or because we were playing against witches hats. We're likely to make the finals, but on current form, we're as likely as not to get an embarrassing thrashing in the first week, again. And I can't think of any reason why, with the same approach, we would necessarily be any better next year or the year after. Now putting on my best flame ******ant suit

Some very good points, people hauled me over the coals not agreeing our win against Richmond was "great", it simply wasnt, and last night again proved that we are hugely susceptible against sustained pressure from good opponents, Richmond are neither good nor able to sustain pressure for 3 quarters let alone 4.

 

[Jack Reacher]

Would like to see Adams, Petrie, Bastinac and Anthony dropped this week, but I fear only one of these changes will happen.