Rumour GFC 2017 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT2

[Pack Specialist]

Maybe the reason why they didn't play finals has just been answered.

Damn you're good!

Exactly why they missed out IMO.

Got ahead of themselves.

 

[catempire]

I'll wait until the card can be read post trade period. But if we go to the draft with any decent picks its completely counter to what we have built this list seemingly for. And counter to the recruitment of a near 34 year old. Our time is now, and our trade period needs to reflect that. We need to use our "currency" on ready-made players who can improve our best 22.

I’ll ask again because you didn’t answer last time I did: what trades are we not doing that we should be doing?

 

[catempire]

there is clearly a right way and a wrong way

you build up a core of young talented players and fill the major roles, then fill a few holes with free agency

it's not rocket science

unfortunately for the geelong football club it is

Incorrect.

 

[catempire]

Agree 100% with this

Why Sttew? What are we not doing that we should be doing here?

 

[Pack Specialist]

Incorrect.

I'd hate to see what it's like after we slide down the ladder...

Success has done something to our supporters!

We weren't like this on here pre 07.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Motlop spotted on the Gold Coast yesterday,looks settled in.

Already on the turtle?

 

[Seeds]

Lever's an absolute star but yes if I was Melbourne I would've stuck with the offer being Pick 10 + 2018 2nd Rounder.

Melbourne are probably thinking "That's okay, if Adelaide draft a Victorian with either of those picks we'll just get him in 2-3 years"

An absolutely star? Seriously? He is the most overrated kid in the game.

 

[Seeds]

I'd hate to see what it's like after we slide down the ladder...

Success has done something to our supporters!

We weren't like this on here pre 07.

We werent selling the future for the now prior to 2007. As bad as we could be we always had hope for the future. Even in 1999.

 

[Pack Specialist]

An absolutely star? Seriously? He is the most overrated kid in the game.

Kind of disagree but the Dees have just traded for Glenn Jakovich with what they gave up!

So you're most likely correct.

 

[Armo7]

I can see us picking up Jake Spencer as a delisted FA.

Will already have a mate in Watts at the club.

How is that possible. He is not a Free Agent and is currently contracted. Surely the dogs would accept any offer they get rather than delist him for nothing? Have I missed something?

 

[cynical]

Why Sttew? What are we not doing that we should be doing here?

The answer is

A) using all our good picks to get in someone who can play CHF as well as outside players (to win an extremely unlikely flag)

or B) giving up on a flag and completely rebuilding (not using picks for players, maybe ablett for cheap)

C) a bit of both and finishing in the finals and bombing out (this is what we do most years)

 

[strauchnyy]

Can any of the Watts fanboys provide a response to this (Pack Specialist - I'm looking at you).

Before I start, Watts is a good honest tryer in his role, that is, an uncontested lead up 3rd tall/flanker. He does not play a contested KPP brand of footy. He needs space and time to exert his strengths (skill etc.). He is known to not appear committed, is no leader after 9 seasons and has been dropped in a poor team due to his lack of impact in games and general inconsistency.

Melbourne don't even want him. Worth a pick 35+ IMO.

So.. the questions for the fan boys is....

1) Given Geelong play a contested bash and crash style going forward, we like to run it up and bomb long into Hawkins without any forward system. We don't play an uncontested style of footy like Hawthorn. Given this, How is someone like Watts, who needs open space/uncontested possessions to impact games, going to thrive?

IMO he is not going to take those big grabs when we bomb it long, we don't play a style that suits Watts's strengths. We are not Hawthorn. My view is that our game style is incompatible for Watts to thrive, and he is going to be a massive whipping boy for not impacting games.

2) Geelong's biggest weakness is our mental fagility in September. We are stuck in prelim land not being able to lift when it matters. Watts is known to coast through, uncommitted on field, came back to preseason underdone, drops his head.. before you jump at me, this is what Melbourne supporters say, and I already posted an article confirming this that was posted on the Age a few days ago. We need players that are going to lift with Paddy and Joel when the going gets tough. Do the Watts fanboys really think Watts is the type of player that is going to lift and take the game by the scruff of the neck when the going gets tough in a prelim?

Looking forward to answers to my two questions above.

 

[catempire]

I'd hate to see what it's like after we slide down the ladder...

Success has done something to our supporters!

We weren't like this on here pre 07.

??

 

[Art Vandelay_]

there is clearly a right way and a wrong way

you build up a core of young talented players and fill the major roles, then fill a few holes with free agency

it's not rocket science

unfortunately for the geelong football club it is

Boy we must be very very lucky then mustn’t we.

Scott can’t coach
We can’t develop players
We’re a two man team
Can’t play interstate
Can’t play the G
Have no youth
Hawkins is insignificant
Our defence is too tall
No small forwards.
No CHF
Shit rucks
Underwhelming 2nd tier
Scott plays favourites with certain “pets”
Wells selects duds
We can’t lure players

Boy Simon Lloyd must be a genius to get us to top 4 with all the wrong things we’re doing

 

[Armo7]

Selfish Motlop do the right thing by us and sign so we can get something we have supported through all the years through his offield issues

Yeah right, Motlop should be thinking about our Club's future just the way our Club's is taking into consideration is future! I think you are looking at this through rose coloured glasses for Geelong. He does not owe us anything at this stage, and is rightful in taking his time to get his future right.

 

[Pack Specialist]

We werent selling the future for the now prior to 2007. As bad as we could be we always had hope for the future. Even in 1999.

Fair point!

However, what about hope for now?

Our list is capable of winning a Premiership IMO.

We have good prospects too!

We'll continue to make finals most likely and are in the mix.

Can't hope for much more than that.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Yeah right, Motlop should be thinking about our Club's future just the way our Club's is taking into consideration is future! I think you are looking at this through rose coloured glasses for Geelong. He does not owe us anything at this stage, and is rightful in taking his time to get his future right.

It's not like it's his life and career...

 

[catempire]

Can any of the Watts fanboys provide a response to this (Pack Specialist - I'm looking at you).

Before I start, Watts is a good honest tryer in his role, that is, an uncontested lead up 3rd tall/flanker. He does not play a contested KPP brand of footy. He needs space and time to exert his strengths (skill etc.). He is known to not appear committed, is no leader after 9 seasons and has been dropped in a poor team due to his lack of impact in games and general inconsistency.

Melbourne don't even want him. Worth a pick 35+ IMO.

So.. the questions for the fan boys is....

1) Given Geelong play a contested bash and crash style going forward, we like to run it up and bomb long into Hawkins without any forward system. We don't play an uncontested style of footy like Hawthorn. Given this, How is someone like Watts, who needs open space/uncontested possessions to impact games, going to thrive?

IMO he is not going to take those big grabs when we bomb it long, we don't play a style that suits Watts's strengths. We are not Hawthorn. My view is that our game style is incompatible for Watts to thrive, and he is going to be a massive whipping boy for not impacting games.

2) Geelong's biggest weakness is our mental fagility in September. We are stuck in prelim land not being able to lift when it matters. Watts is known to coast through, uncommitted on field, came back to preseason underdone, drops his head.. before you jump at me, this is what Melbourne supporters say, and I already posted an article confirming this that was posted on the Age a few days ago. We need players that are going to lift with Paddy and Joel when the going gets tough. Do the Watts fanboys really think Watts is the type of player that is going to lift and take the game by the scruff of the neck when the going gets tough in a prelim?

Looking forward to answers to my two questions above.

You seriously want people you are sledging with “fan boy” to engage in a serious discussion?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

How is that possible. He is not a Free Agent and is currently contracted. Surely the dogs would accept any offer they get rather than delist him for nothing? Have I missed something?

I was under the impression he'd been delisted. It looks like I was wrong.

 

[Pack Specialist]

??

I've lurked bigfooty since probably 03.

People are making out like we're Spooners!

Third is not good at all apparently.

 

[Boxhead_31]

AFL just broke the trade rules again didn't they?

"If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-06/future-trading-given-goahead-but-with-restrictions

 

[Pack Specialist]

You seriously want people you are sledging with “fan boy” to engage in a serious discussion?

I'm happy to try!

No offense taken from me.

 

[Pack Specialist]

AFL just broke the trade rules again didn't they?

"If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-06/future-trading-given-goahead-but-with-restrictions

Ruck Fules says Gil.

 

[Sticksman]

You seriously want people you are sledging with “fan boy” to engage in a serious discussion?

my thoughts exactly

 

[cynical]

Boy we must be very very lucky then mustn’t we.

Scott can’t coach
We can’t develop players
We’re a two man team
Can’t play interstate
Can’t play the G
Have no youth
Hawkins is insignificant
Our defence is too tall
No small forwards.
No CHF
Shit rucks
Underwhelming 2nd tier
Scott plays favourites with certain “pets”
Wells selects duds
We can’t lure players

Boy Simon Lloyd must be a genius to get us to top 4 with all the wrong things we’re doing

top 4 isnt an achievement, winning a flag is

so if we arent doing something to get closer to that then we are failing