Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[year of the cat]

Would of been interesting to see if Henry Walsh choose to train with Geelong instead of choosing Carlton this time last year, would of Geelong choose him instead of Neale .
Dont get me wrong im glad we choose Neale, but did Geelong think " Well you had the chance to train with us but you decided to go to Carlton, so we will go after Neale now "

Reckon Neale looks to have more versatility and scope. Of the three picks, he's the one I reckon is most likely to be a 150-200 game player.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I’m least excited by Holmes and it is concerning that we have a first round for him. Particularly after all the talk from the club about how they wanted to commit to next years draft.

But I think the trade/draft period has to be as a whole. And overall I think we did really well. We’ve improved the team for the next couple of years. And also added to the future. I’m very excited by Neale as I’ve wanted us to draft a ruck for years. And we’ve potentially got 3 plus Esava who are young.

Not many people talk about what we gave up for Danger. Because in the end those picks/players were insignificant compared to what he’s bought to the club. It will be the same with Cameron, the giants get some young players who may or may not make it. While Geelong has Cameron staring at the club for years.

 

[Big little cat]

We traded fogarty to Carlton and received pick 30 in the trade. We traded picked 30 directly for Higgins. That's poor value for his age.

I thought we got a future 3rd for cockatoo which is all we could ask for and is a ok outcome.

I am not sure if I entirely agree. Pick 30 for Higgins is a very real illustration of how high end his talent is. He has been consistently in North's top 5 (and the dogs before this) best. Very good contracted players attract a premium.

 

[Two Planks]

Higgins value to a team in contention is a lot higher than a team that isn't.

 

[year of the cat]

Higgins value to a team in contention is a lot higher than a team that isn't.

If Higgins can hold his body together for a couple of years he will be a gun pickup.

 

[Turbocat]

Reckon Neale looks to have more versatility and scope. Of the three picks, he's the one I reckon is most likely to be a 150-200 game player.

His abovious attributes plus his height...the only question is time and coach-ability. ...and will he be at geelong by the time it all comes together

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We traded fogarty to Carlton and received pick 30 in the trade. We traded picked 30 directly for Higgins. That's poor value for his age.

I thought we got a future 3rd for cockatoo which is all we could ask for and is a ok outcome.

We actually on traded the 3rd we got for cockatoo for 33 (neale) so its cockatoo for neale.

 

[dazbroncos]

Some of this is simply not true. Higgins was not a free agent last season. It’s a myth. He extended by one year to the end of 2021 but we would have had to trade prob even more as he was contracted for 2020. Eg you could have kissed goodbye 27 which we turned into 11 on draft night that was critical this year.

In the end it was Higgins + 47 for Fogerty and 41. So the net trade was Fogerty and a 6 pick slide. Make of that what you will. Fogerty would have been playing 2s next year and would have lost him for zero anyway.

You make no mention of Cockatoo for 33.

pssst.... dont let facts get in the way of a good sook!

GO Catters

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I’m least excited by Holmes and it is concerning that we have a first round for him. Particularly after all the talk from the club about how they wanted to commit to next years draft.

But I think the trade/draft period has to be as a whole. And overall I think we did really well. We’ve improved the team for the next couple of years. And also added to the future. I’m very excited by Neale as I’ve wanted us to draft a ruck for years. And we’ve potentially got 3 plus Esava who are young.

Not many people talk about what we gave up for Danger. Because in the end those picks/players were insignificant compared to what he’s bought to the club. It will be the same with Cameron, the giants get some young players who may or may not make it. While Geelong has Cameron staring at the club for years.

Agreed..i look at the trades as a whole not individually and the same with draft night. I felt as richmond telegraphed selling their pick and not many clubs were looking to take it we had enough leverage (unless we thought they would use the pick on holmes) to get it for a future 2nd. But on the other hand i had neale in my top 25 and we really need a good young ruck and there arent many in the 2021 draft so if youd told me we had traded a future 1st for neale and 33 for holmes id have been fine with it. So on balance we have done ok.

 

[Down at K Park]

That's fair. I don't have an issue with getting rid of fogarty. I just don't like what we paid for higgins. If North Melbourne are paying a huge chunk than that is better

I’d say norf are paying most of it. With them clearing out about a third of their list, and bringing in a heap of draft picks, they will probably struggle to pay the minimum salary cap. Paying guys like higgins and brown to play elsewhere would help them make the minimum.

 

[Pollywaffle]

True..i do find ir interesting that all of our picks last night bring speed and run and endurance..maybe its a sign that longer term we are trying to counter teams like richmond in that area.

We'll finally get some speed on the park and then the AFL will change the rules to favour the plodders.

 

[calder_daddy]

Almost identical to how I feel

With Tarca, I thought he showed enough in those scratch matches to persist with but covid , list reductions played a part but what was the killer was the club preferring Close ... its a bit like Highlander ... in the end there can be only one .. there are only so many spots for FP's.... true most roles.

Not sure of his plans but I really hope Tarca plays for our VFL side and we draft him next year

 

[cats_09]

Not sure of his plans but I really hope Tarca plays for our VFL side and we draft him next year

Jake's returned home to SA

 

[year of the cat]

His abovious attributes plus his height...the only question is time and coach-ability. ...and will he be at geelong by the time it all comes together

He looks like a pretty independent kid to me that is just rapt to be given an opportunity. I see no reason to worry about him wanting to return to WA at all at this stage.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not sure of his plans but I really hope Tarca plays for our VFL side and we draft him next year

He is playing for south adelaide next year.

 

[calder_daddy]

Jake's returned home to SA

He is playing for south adelaide next year.

Can’t have them all. All the best to the kid, wouldn’t be surprised to see him back on an AFL list

 

[Tony Barber]

I'm really concerned for the people that spend a ridiculous amount of time looking at draftees and then get everything wrong.
Including as it happened on draft night.

What will you do for 6 months?

Maybe play some sport with your kid.
Maybe do some work during the day
Maybe grab a beer, head to the beach and gaze at the ocean whilst pondering what a round two pick looks like.

 

[catswhiskers]

When I look at the draft / trade period in its entirety its hard not to acknowledge that there us a plan and that they have gathered the pieces judiciously.
The only spanner in the works has been GWS's failure to accept the compo and a side trade.
We added three A graders for the now and 4 kids (giving us a solid base of possible Future soldiers)
The future pool of youngns who have their chance is now stronger in talls as well.
Clark, Parfitt, Simpson, Miers,Henry, Esava possibly Narkle and CC. Plus untried Stephens, SDek, Evans,Close, Kreuger, Holmes, Neale. If even half develop well is a nice base of youngsters.

If a spekky or two like Tsapa Taheny Okunbor or Stevens clicks even better.

 

[Turbocat]

When I look at the draft / trade period in its entirety its hard not to acknowledge that there us a plan and that they have gathered the pieces judiciously.
The only spanner in the works has been GWS's failure to accept the compo and a side trade.
We added three A graders for the now and 4 kids (giving us a solid base of possible Future soldiers)
The future pool of youngns who have their chance is now stronger in talls as well.
Clark, Parfitt, Simpson, Miers,Henry, Esava possibly Narkle and CC. Plus untried Stephens, SDek, Evans,Close, Kreuger, Holmes, Neale. If even half develop well is a nice base of youngsters.

If a spekky or two like Tsapa Taheny Okunbor or Stevens clicks even better.

In relation to the picks .. there will be some that come for us.. there will be some that feel we have pulled the wrong lever....
Will Holmes be better than the player our FR1 pick delivers? ..What value will the pick be will be critical

The picks used to get Cameron means we will watch and observe.. how good will Stone, Anguin and Cook.

The one thing that is for sure..is the story is not fully told yet. Depending on how you wish to paint it.. and how geelong go in 2021 , the amount of picks we have seen come and go will either be meaningful or almost meaningless.. Yes we traded out 4 r1 picks ..yet not one top 10 pick etc... 1 of the picks in number was really a R2 pick .. and what will the 2021 pick be?

What ever rich do with the pick will be assessed and compared to Holmes. If Geelong have a unpredicted poor year then the knives will be unsheathed. If Cameron and the other deliver a flag then all credit will be given. The future of the club , the next 5 to 10 years .. will be affected by the performance of players in critical minutes in big games. One might say 8 seconds of Martin put the sword to the hopes of 2020.. and it does highlight how treacherous and finely balanced any policy is..

 

[year of the cat]

In relation to the picks .. there will be some that come for us.. there will be some that feel we have pulled the wrong lever....
Will Holmes be better than the player our FR1 pick delivers? ..What value will the pick be will be critical

The picks used to get Cameron means we will watch and observe.. how good will Stone, Anguin and Cook.

The one thing that is for sure..is the story is not fully told yet. Depending on how you wish to paint it.. and how geelong go in 2021 , the amount of picks we have seen come and go will either be meaningful or almost meaningless.. Yes we traded out 4 r1 picks ..yet not one top 10 pick etc... 1 of the picks in number was really a R2 pick .. and what will the 2021 pick be?

What ever rich do with the pick will be assessed and compared to Holmes. If Geelong have a unpredicted poor year then the knives will be unsheathed. If Cameron and the other deliver a flag then all credit will be given. The future of the club , the next 5 to 10 years .. will be affected by the performance of players in critical minutes in big games. One might say 8 seconds of Martin put the sword to the hopes of 2020.. and it does highlight how treacherous and finely balanced any policy is..

Interesting that none of the GWS players, to me, leave me feeling that we missed out badly by trading out those picks for Cameron. No doubt we would have done things differently. Probably use them on Bruhn, Henry and Holmes. So we got one but had to give up something for it.

 

[Drunkcat]

In relation to the picks .. there will be some that come for us.. there will be some that feel we have pulled the wrong lever....
Will Holmes be better than the player our FR1 pick delivers? ..What value will the pick be will be critical

The picks used to get Cameron means we will watch and observe.. how good will Stone, Anguin and Cook.

The one thing that is for sure..is the story is not fully told yet. Depending on how you wish to paint it.. and how geelong go in 2021 , the amount of picks we have seen come and go will either be meaningful or almost meaningless.. Yes we traded out 4 r1 picks ..yet not one top 10 pick etc... 1 of the picks in number was really a R2 pick .. and what will the 2021 pick be?

What ever rich do with the pick will be assessed and compared to Holmes. If Geelong have a unpredicted poor year then the knives will be unsheathed. If Cameron and the other deliver a flag then all credit will be given. The future of the club , the next 5 to 10 years .. will be affected by the performance of players in critical minutes in big games. One might say 8 seconds of Martin put the sword to the hopes of 2020.. and it does highlight how treacherous and finely balanced any policy is..

Only sad sacks will worry about this what is done is done..Like people still going on about Grundy get a life every club does that...what if is the biggest waste of thinking

 

[Turbocat]

Interesting that none of the GWS players, to me, leave me feeling that we missed out badly by trading out those picks for Cameron. No doubt we would have done things differently. Probably use them on Bruhn, Henry and Holmes. So we got one but had to give up something for it.

Bruhn was gone by our pick..it ended up being 15,18,25 .. so it may well have been Henry , Holmes , Neale .. it depends on the way the club looked at it..who did they have targeted pre the Cameron trade.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Bruhn was gone by our pick..it ended up being 15,18,25 .. so it may well have been Henry , Holmes , Neale .. it depends on the way the club looked at it..who did they have targeted pre the Cameron trade.

I reckon henry would have been one although we may well get him back in 2 years. The rest of what was picked where we gave up picks doesnt excite me-most of 10-30 range were quite spec picks on the night so i dont think we gave up much for cameron. What we needed in terms of young talent was KPP and ruck and the former all the good ones went by pick 10 and the latter is hopefully Neale.

 

[MelbCat]

I reckon henry would have been one although we may well get him back in 2 years. The rest of what was picked where we gave up picks doesnt exist me-most of 10-30 range were quite spec picks on the night so i dont think we gave up much for cameron. What we needed in terms of young talent was KPP and ruck and the former all the good ones went by pick 10 and the latter is hopefully Neale.

I'd still rather Cameron over those 3 picks any day. We've got what we were looking for in the draft (how good they are, is anyone's guess) and that's a ruck and pace.

Onwards and Upwards .......

 

[TradeDraft]

Pies look dirty that the Lions bid on him

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Reports Pre-Draft that Hine and Co are/where massive Coleman Fans