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[Down at K Park]

I don’t think anyone or most anyway did take it as fact. Darcy has been discussed on here from his draft year and probably will be until he retires.

Some guys were talking like it was a done deal.

 

[Turbocat]

The AFL exchange podcast talked about Darcy, cats and rucks. Twomey made a good point that you can’t have stars in every position. If you invest in one area such as ruck that might be one less star mid. It’s a fair point and I think we shouldn’t over invest in someone who isn’t good enough.
There are some rucks that could be a good fit. But if Stanley played every week most weeks he’d be a good option. Some weeks he’s poor but I think we’d find that with most rucks we’d replace him with unless they’re a star.

Pretty much... although I think you can have stars in every or almost position... you just cant trade them in or pay them all top dollar. (The 07-11 group for example).
A team developed from drafting is usually less on the Salacp..as player who change clubs tend to get paid more. Hoe much would Stewart cost a team to try and tempt for eg. To bring in Darcy or Merrit or whoever would cost big dollars... and perhaps big trade.

The most likely situation is everyone wants to play in the best side...but everyone sees them self as part of the best 22. And everyone want as much as they can get without being called out for hogging the cap. I doubt Ben King liked being called out on TV the other night for example.


I basically agree with you. Its why philosophically I do not like to spend big to bring in backmen. Have alook at the picks used for the players we have in our backline for example. Ruck is one area I do think you do not want to be too cheap. Be interesting to see what we do from here.


If Meeks , the same age as Darcy feels he is ready , and sees Darcy as being there for three years..maybe he is an easy player to move.

 

[Turbocat]

Some guys were talking like it was a done deal.

Maybe some were hopeful it would get done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hands off, Cats: Dockers make move before ruck merry-go-round begins

Sean Darcy is expected to pen a new deal at Fremantle as clubs keep an eye on who's on the market

www.afl.com.au

Looks like yet another year of incompetent ruckwork is in store for us

Sad but expected.

I do expect we will still trade in a ruck this year..we really have to.

Meek becomes a pretty obvious targetable option now if we are keen.

 

[Turbocat]

Sad but expected.

I do expect we will still trade in a ruck this year..we really have to.

Meek becomes a pretty obvious targetable option now if we are keen.

I cant say I am surprised. As many Falcons we get to return, there are plenty that are happy to stay away. I think the cost of getting Darcy was getting more by the week, I think we can be better channelling our efforts into other assets.

You have heard me bang this drum for a while. We should never have moved totally away from drafting them as kids. We have not ben prepared to go that way too long. Now we just have to find value elsewhere.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Some guys were talking like it was a done deal.

I think we were just speculating on how it could get done. Which is really what this thread is about most of the time. There are more concrete discussions when it’s closer to trade time. And drafting but there are no vic games atm so there’s also not much to discuss there.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Well stuff Darcy he’s actually from Cobden and went to Xavier so if he’s not going to request a trade we can revoke his geelong status.

 

[PzBlinky]

Maybe... just maybe... Darcy wasn't our target, but the decoy. By forcing Freo's hand, we now go after the cheaper (while still serviceable) option of Meek.

(Unlikely, but there's my conspiracy theory for the week.)

 

[fpm84]

The AFL exchange podcast talked about Darcy, cats and rucks. Twomey made a good point that you can’t have stars in every position. If you invest in one area such as ruck that might be one less star mid. It’s a fair point and I think we shouldn’t over invest in someone who isn’t good enough.
There are some rucks that could be a good fit. But if Stanley played every week most weeks he’d be a good option. Some weeks he’s poor but I think we’d find that with most rucks we’d replace him with unless they’re a star.

Spot on. There is less than a handful of rucks who generally play well week in, week out - Gawn, Naitanui, Grundy - and even then they are not unbeatable. Stanley has played well against all three and has been influential in wins v Melbourne, WCE and Collingwood in recent years.

The majority of other rucks including those at other 8 teams (English, McInerney, Lycett, Hickey etc) are objectively no better or worse than Stanley. All can play well on their day but not necessarily consistently. Nobody is talking down the Bulldogs or Lions' premiership chances because of their relative weaknesses in the ruck. Stanley is clearly the best ruck we have and we need to persist with him, beginning on Friday night.

 

[Kitcat]

I think we were just speculating on how it could get done. Which is really what this thread is about most of the time. There are more concrete discussions when it’s closer to trade time. And drafting but there are no vic games atm so there’s also not much to discuss there.

The article only confirms Freo are talking to him (which you would expect), with a line that he is keen to stay. The latter could be speculation, or could be Darcy saying the right things mid season. If he doesn't sign in the next month, we will have more to talk about.

 

[Jemaine]

The article only confirms Freo are talking to him (which you would expect), with a line that he is keen to stay. The latter could be speculation, or could be Darcy saying the right things mid season. If he doesn't sign in the next month, we will have more to talk about.

100% this. What are Freo going to do, not talk to him? And of course he's going to listen to their offer to weigh up the opportunity cost of moving to another club.

Rubbish clickbait article, doesn't say a thing that we didn't know already.

 

[Hamingja]

Spot on. There is less than a handful of rucks who generally play well week in, week out - Gawn, Naitanui, Grundy - and even then they are not unbeatable. Stanley has played well against all three and has been influential in wins v Melbourne, WCE and Collingwood in recent years.

The majority of other rucks including those at other 8 teams (English, McInerney, Lycett, Hickey etc) are objectively no better or worse than Stanley. All can play well on their day but not necessarily consistently. Nobody is talking down the Bulldogs or Lions' premiership chances because of their relative weaknesses in the ruck. Stanley is clearly the best ruck we have and we need to persist with him, beginning on Friday night.

And the big difference between the two groups above is that the elite rucks were all drafted and developed by their club.

Finding someone significantly better than Stanley via trade is just not possible.

 

[Chinacats]

Sad but expected.

I do expect we will still trade in a ruck this year..we really have to.

Meek becomes a pretty obvious targetable option now if we are keen.

Who's Meek?

 

[Grimoz]

Personally as good as Darcy would have been for us if he wants to stay at Freo thats fine, once Fyfe and Mundy retire the dockers are in a world of hurt and with Cera wanting to move that will hurt even more. Going to be some rough years ahead for him.

 

[Chinacats]

No Darcy probably. What about Chol from richmond? Surely theyll lose one of their big men?

 

[Chinacats]

Stanley and rata out of contract and Fort stuck in the VFL. Any movement?

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

The article only confirms Freo are talking to him (which you would expect), with a line that he is keen to stay. The latter could be speculation, or could be Darcy saying the right things mid season. If he doesn't sign in the next month, we will have more to talk about.

100% this. What are Freo going to do, not talk to him? And of course he's going to listen to their offer to weigh up the opportunity cost of moving to another club.

Rubbish clickbait article, doesn't say a thing that we didn't know already.

Sure it doesn’t say that he’s signed a contract yet. But I don’t think Cal Twomney generally writes clickbait articles. He has very good info as he has great relationships with players and clubs through his draft work. The Darcy part is only one factor in the article anyway. It’s talking about what rucks may be available or change clubs.

 

[Drunkcat]

Cullum-Jones look at him Richmond can not keep 4 rucks

 

[JohnZ]

Cullum-Jones look at him Richmond can not keep 4 rucks

He's not a ruck. Go after Meek

 

[catempire]

And the big difference between the two groups above is that the elite rucks were all drafted and developed by their club.

Finding someone significantly better than Stanley via trade is just not possible.

That’s not quite right. Many of them were but many of the best performing rucks have changed clubs. Here is the current top 10 rucks by AFL Player Ratings.



Outside the top 10 are the likes of Nankervis, Lycett, Ryder, McEvoy, Mumford, etc.

We also tried to and were close to landing Goldstein.

The insistence to develop rucks from drafting ignores the sheer number of failures from drafting rucks. There’s a reason why clubs have shied away from it.

 

[Drunkcat]

He's not a ruck. Go after Meek

I have already said Meek have to look at a few so we get 1 good one, and he is a ruckman

 

[Hamingja]

That’s not quite right. Many of them were but many of the best performing rucks have changed clubs. Here is the current top 10 rucks by AFL Player Ratings.

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Outside the top 10 are the likes of Nankervis, Lycett, Ryder, McEvoy, Mumford, etc.

We also tried to and were close to landing Goldstein.

The insistence to develop rucks from drafting ignores the sheer number of failures from drafting rucks. There’s a reason why clubs have shied away from it.

6 of the top 7 there drafted and developed by their original club. In an 18 team comp I wouldn't be calling anyone beyond that an elite ruckman and Hickey's year is a massive outlier in his career to date so I would exclude him anyhow.

 

[catempire]

6 of the top 7 there drafted and developed by their original club. In an 18 team comp I wouldn't be calling anyone beyond that an elite ruckman and Hickey's year is a massive outlier in his career to date so I would exclude him anyhow.

I have previously done the analysis on how many ruck failures from the draft there have been. Might be time to update that.

 

[Turbocat]

I have previously done the analysis on how many ruck failures from the draft there have been. Might be time to update that.

Definitely need to draft multiples and trade in. I think WC and Freo have done it well

 

[Hamingja]

I have previously done the analysis on how many ruck failures from the draft there have been. Might be time to update that.

Sure there are lots of failures but if you want someone significantly better than Stanley level then you have to pay the piper. We could have given 2 ruckman a solid run on the list when were wasting a spot on Cowan etc.