Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[geelong_crazy26]

Any chance of plucking stringer off essendon?? Country bendigo kid, yet to resign and may fall behind massive offers for parish and merett.

 

[Nickoo]

The article says Selwood will sign a 1 year deal, Guthrie multi year and Hendo contract talks haven’t begun but club is open for him to continue. Also says Clark likely to ask for a trade.

Id say the club is more than open to Hendo staying. It’s strange that Guthrie didn’t sign after winning the BnF you’d think if he was staying that’d be the best time to get a great deal. I don’t think he’ll leave but it is curious. I really hope that Zac is not signed, he has improved but not enough to get another contract.
I’d rather give Darcy Lang a contract than Zac only a couple of years older and has looked good down back in the vfl this year.

That would be extraordinary is Lang got back on the list. I actually like him but he was limited.


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[Nickoo]

Being held out of a side by very good players in a top 2 team can still keep a players worth reasonably high. Coming in and not being able to perform doesn’t help. I think Clark is probably worth an early 2nd round pick. Maybe something like this could be worked out:
Freo Get Clark and Cats 3rd round pick
Cats get Meek and Freo 2nd round pick
We could probably use a couple of 2nd round picks to move back into the first round anyway.

I thought we were getting Sean Darcy?


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[Nickoo]

Anyone who doesn't see Henry as star material aren't looking hard enough.

And I see a very big future for Brad Close....every time he goes near the ball you feel like something good is going to happen.

A very good player already and getting better. I'm a big fan.

Close’s defensive work appears to have improved in the last 2 weeks as well.


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[Nickoo]

If I map it... we probably get bump at the end of next year.

2021.... Stanley, Jenkins
2022 ... Selwood, Higgins, 2e, Henderson
2023.... Smith, Hawkins,
2024.... Dangerfield,.....

You think Stanley is done?


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[Nickoo]

Close was a rookie and had not provided anything like his current output at SANFL level, he was lucky to be drafted at all. Stewart was a 22 year old local carpenter when they brought him into the vfl and started developing him and then took 2 more years in the 2s for us before we brought him into the senior list. You can't say either were ready made when they walked in the door.

Stewart two years in the twos? Really?


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[And_ROOS]

Stewart two years in the twos? Really?


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One year. 2015 was playing in the Geelong league. He joined the Cats VFL team for the 2016 season, played 18 of 19 matches, we drafted him end of 2016 and he made his AFL debut in 2017.

 

[Turbocat]

You think Stanley is done?


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He is OOC, he is not our preferred option, it has also been mentioned on here that he probably will not go on. That it is believed he has had enough. Fort is contracted, so unless he gets traded , I don't see why we keep both as reserve players. If Sav or another player is our regular ruck selection... then I cant see why we would re contract him just as a backup.

I think its fair to contemplate and to post on the assumption that he will be gone till he is re-contracted.

 

[goyoucatters]

He is OOC, he is not our preferred option, it has also been mentioned on here that he probably will not go on. That it is believed he has had enough. Fort is contracted, so unless he gets traded , I don't see why we keep both as reserve players. If Sav or another player is our regular ruck selection... then I cant see why we would re contract him just as a backup.

I think its fair to contemplate and to post on the assumption that he will be gone till he is re-contracted.

It's far from a straightforward question at the club at this point, though. The very reason we have Rata, Fort and Stanley drifting around the place in terms of consideration for senior selection is that we have no clear first choice ruck at the club. I still think Rhys deserves that mantle but that is clearly not how the MC sees it. And I think Esava has been distinctly underwhelming in the role so far this year. They can 'back him in' as much as they like; he still doesn't look like really influencing the game positively for us in the middle of the ground at this point. And I don't see Fort as anything like a reasonable option to be a first choice ruck in the AFL.

We have five rucks now on the list (not including Blitz), and seemingly none of them can demand the role (or look like they're capable of holding it down capably for 2022, either). Neale and Tsap have time on their side, and the other three are seemingly not demanding selection.

To me, Rhys is still clearly the only ruck we have whose ceiling is currently high enough to be anything more than a 'barely break even' option against the best rucks. So how they don't pursue that course in the absence of better options at this point is still staggering to me. I'm still hopeful (but not holding my breath) that his creditable performance for the Bankers last week might have pushed his case for this week.

In any case, unless Rhys wants to pack it in (and the way he's been stuffed around by the club over the years might easily have him thinking it's time to exit), I could easily see him being offered another year or so. Because if we're truly going into next season with only Esava and Fort as our viable choices as first ruck, I think we are just asking for trouble.

The irony of the wilderness that has been our last ten years in the ruck role after the glory of our three-time premiership superstar monstering it when it mattered is both bitter and biting at this point.

 

[catempire]

It's far from a straightforward question at the club at this point, though. The very reason we have Rata, Fort and Stanley drifting around the place in terms of consideration for senior selection is that we have no clear first choice ruck at the club. I still think Rhys deserves that mantle but that is clearly not how the MC sees it. And I think Esava has been distinctly underwhelming in the role so far this year. They can 'back him in' as much as they like; he still doesn't look like really influencing the game positively for us in the middle of the ground at this point. And I don't see Fort as anything like a reasonable option to be a first choice ruck in the AFL.

We have five rucks now on the list (not including Blitz), and seemingly none of them can demand the role (or look like they're capable of holding it down capably for 2022, either). Neale and Tsap have time on their side, and the other three are seemingly not demanding selection.

To me, Rhys is still clearly the only ruck we have whose ceiling is currently high enough to be anything more than a 'barely break even' option against the best rucks. So how they don't pursue that course in the absence of better options at this point is still staggering to me. I'm still hopeful (but not holding my breath) that his creditable performance for the Bankers last week might have pushed his case for this week.

In any case, unless Rhys wants to pack it in (and the way he's been stuffed around by the club over the years might easily have him thinking it's time to exit), I could easily see him being offered another year or so. Because if we're truly going into next season with only Esava and Fort as our viable choices as first ruck, I think we are just asking for trouble.

The irony of the wilderness that has been our last ten years in the ruck role after the glory of our three-time premiership superstar monstering it when it mattered is both bitter and biting at this point.

Agree with a lot of what you say but it would surprise me if we didn’t target a ruck in the player movement period. Fort is break glass only and Ratugolea is, at best, still learning the craft.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Stewart two years in the twos? Really?


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Yeah, he joined our vfl side under O'Bree as a 22 year old I think then we drafted him 2 years later. We were the ones who turned him from local carpenter to All Australian

 

[CatToTheFuture]

One year. 2015 was playing in the Geelong league. He joined the Cats VFL team for the 2016 season, played 18 of 19 matches, we drafted him end of 2016 and he made his AFL debut in 2017.

I thought it was 2015 he joined the cats?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I thought it was 2015 he joined the cats?

Played in 17,18,19,20 and 21.

It's he's 5th year..

 

[Cataholic]

Played in 17,18,19,20 and 21.

It's he's 5th year..

And close to snaring a 3rd AA, yeah?

 

[Sttew]

We were the ones who turned him from local carpenter to All Australian

Sounds very biblical

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

And close to snaring a 3rd AA, yeah?

Correct.

 

[Strange Cat]

Any chance of plucking stringer off essendon?? Country bendigo kid, yet to resign and may fall behind massive offers for parish and merett.

He didn’t even attend his interview when he was lined up with us before picking ess

he wouldn’t be very popular with us now after that…plus he’s an absolute dickhead

 

[DanA]

Two of those players were mature aged

Stewart is no longer the player he was at South Barwon and O’Connor never played a game of football before he joined the cats. Are you seriously denying coaches credit for their development?

 

[JohnZ]

Stewart is no longer the player he was at South Barwon and O’Connor never played a game of football before he joined the cats. Are you seriously denying coaches credit for their development?

Nah he's just confirming his own involvement in their development.

 

[Turbocat]

It's far from a straightforward question at the club at this point, though. The very reason we have Rata, Fort and Stanley drifting around the place in terms of consideration for senior selection is that we have no clear first choice ruck at the club. I still think Rhys deserves that mantle but that is clearly not how the MC sees it. And I think Esava has been distinctly underwhelming in the role so far this year. They can 'back him in' as much as they like; he still doesn't look like really influencing the game positively for us in the middle of the ground at this point. And I don't see Fort as anything like a reasonable option to be a first choice ruck in the AFL.

We have five rucks now on the list (not including Blitz), and seemingly none of them can demand the role (or look like they're capable of holding it down capably for 2022, either). Neale and Tsap have time on their side, and the other three are seemingly not demanding selection.

To me, Rhys is still clearly the only ruck we have whose ceiling is currently high enough to be anything more than a 'barely break even' option against the best rucks. So how they don't pursue that course in the absence of better options at this point is still staggering to me. I'm still hopeful (but not holding my breath) that his creditable performance for the Bankers last week might have pushed his case for this week.

In any case, unless Rhys wants to pack it in (and the way he's been stuffed around by the club over the years might easily have him thinking it's time to exit), I could easily see him being offered another year or so. Because if we're truly going into next season with only Esava and Fort as our viable choices as first ruck, I think we are just asking for trouble.

The irony of the wilderness that has been our last ten years in the ruck role after the glory of our three-time premiership superstar monstering it when it mattered is both bitter and biting at this point.

At RS age , and not being regular lock in selection I think it is reasonably straightforward. Fort is already the backup. Trade him out then fine keep Stanley. I disagree that we have 5 rucks on the list. Some may argue that Fort is not even a ruck , as he is played so much as a forward, but I will classify him as such. Any of the kids in development , I would say they are not yet players we can count as ruck options. Its why I suspect Stanley at 30 is let go and he is place is replaced by someone younger. Hopefully younger than 25. Hopefully someone who is close to ready to play that has been in the system a while.

I am not convinced that we will get any more out of Stanley than we have already, it seems the club has decided this to and is no moved on. Its not unusual to see ruck move to other clusb when a club does this. I think back to when Stephen King was given the nod, a loyal servant moved to Ess for a flag. Stanley, if he wanted to could probably get games elsewhere. He would be a good foil up north. For us, even though Im am yet to be convinced Sav is capable being a great player , ruck, KPF or whatever, we appear to have decided to move that way.

The wilderness we are in ..is becuase we decided to move away from what we have now returned to..but one pays a price. In 2016 we could have drafted Darcy. Found another pick and drafted him. I will concede that sometimes players go earlier than a club rates. If someone had gone with an R1 for Stewart , he would be on their list. However , when I see Draper at Ess taken in the Rookie draft and the players we took late, I think we were a little too short sighted.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Nah he's just confirming his own involvement in their development.

you don’t even make sense saying this.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Correct.

shouldve had 3 already. robbed.

 

[Phill Hendo]

Looking at the big picture at year end, I would make the following changes:

Delist: Taheny, Constable, Jenkins and regretfully, Z Guthrie. Brownless is a rookie delist. I am a fan of every player who pulls on the hoops, but I believe Zach has been unfairly maligned at times on this site. I would consider offering a rookie spot for him.

Rookie Upgrade: Atkin is already contracted and both needs and deserves the upgrade. I am sure many will disagree but I would promote Stefan Okunbor. He needed to dramatically improve his disposal but he is fierce at the opposition and the ball and is definitely improving. Close and Henderson stay on as rookies to minimize the pressure for spots.

4 delists and 2 upgrades only creates 2 list spots so more change is required. I like the idea of trading in Meeks from Freo (Darcy appears out of reach) and that means either Stanley or Fort (contracted) would have to go. My preference would be to keep Rhys but he may chose to move. I would either trade Fort or pay him out.

Assuming the Ruck situation is list spot neutral we still would need another list delist to use the 3 second round picks at lease pre trade. This places Narkle, Jarvis and Kreuger at risk and I definitely want to retain Kreuger, if not all three of them. I'd rather see us trade one for Meeks or trade up or maybe into the next draft and keep the 3 players. I would be surprised if we were not working on other trades or free agents and these will continue to evolve until the draft. But this is what I would do as a base case.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Looking at the big picture at year end, I would make the following changes:

Delist: Taheny, Constable, Jenkins and regretfully, Z Guthrie. Brownless is a rookie delist. I am a fan of every player who pulls on the hoops, but I believe Zach has been unfairly maligned at times on this site. I would consider offering a rookie spot for him.

Rookie Upgrade: Atkin is already contracted and both needs and deserves the upgrade. I am sure many will disagree but I would promote Stefan Okunbor. He needed to dramatically improve his disposal but he is fierce at the opposition and the ball and is definitely improving. Close and Henderson stay on as rookies to minimize the pressure for spots.

4 delists and 2 upgrades only creates 2 list spots so more change is required. I like the idea of trading in Meeks from Freo (Darcy appears out of reach) and that means either Stanley or Fort (contracted) would have to go. My preference would be to keep Rhys but he may chose to move. I would either trade Fort or pay him out.

Assuming the Ruck situation is list spot neutral we still would need another list delist to use the 3 second round picks at lease pre trade. This places Narkle, Jarvis and Kreuger at risk and I definitely want to retain Kreuger, if not all three of them. I'd rather see us trade one for Meeks or trade up or maybe into the next draft and keep the 3 players. I would be surprised if we were not working on other trades or free agents and these will continue to evolve until the draft. But this is what I would do as a base case.

Would be shocked if we didn’t hit the trade table again.
Cunnington if he is gettable to return home I would offer one of our second rounders for.
Would slot in perfectly into our team

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Stewart, Close, Miers, O'Connor, Parfitt, Henry....

None of those blokes seem to have flashy haircuts and huge egos, though.

I feel there is a trend with the younger players we don’t progress. They usually can’t develop defensive aspects to their game.

I recall Paul Roos saying that all young kids know how to play attacking footy, but what they struggle with is learning the defensive side of the game which takes them years to learn.

someone like Clark should be told to role model Isaac smiths game and learn off him.

both constable and Clark both have in common that they can’t defend to save themselves