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[foxdog50]

If Constable is our best young midfield option coming through, that's a bigger concern than if he leaves at the end of the season - how does he differ from say a past player in Horlin-Smith who we saw could accumulate the ball but just wasn't that damaging as a player.

At this stage I'm not sure Constable could currently be called a fringe option, especially as he got dropped from the emergency list. With that being the case, if he leaves at the end of the season what are we actually losing because he doesn't really seem to be part of the MCs plans

In terms of young midfield options, those under 25, I'd rather be backing in Parfitt, O'Connor, Simpson, Narkle, Clark & Holmes and that's not counting someone untried like Stephens, nor the group of draftees to come - we've got a solid group of young guys coming through regardless if Constable is or isn't part of it

I said I hope I'm wrong, I don't think Narkle or Clark will be on our list next season.
O'Connor isn't going to be a super star player in the midfield... he is good, but not the next something level..

 

[foxdog50]

That’s my point, the fact we just trade in players to fill that spot
Not worried here, we wouldn’t have gone all in for Cameron if we’re going to go down the rebuild stage.
Will recruit players for years to come

And who could those players we are actually are trying to get this year... usually by now you hear players names you here we been linked to half way through the season but I haven't herd of any yet

 

[thecatattack]

He may walk but if he does it will be to a lower ladder club where he will be best 22 every week it wont be richmond where he would be in the same position he is now.

No matter where he goes it'll hurt us. But I can see him going to Richmond more than anyone.

 

[thecatattack]

I'm indifferent, I don't think we lose that much from the next player in. I'd rather lose him than give him a big contract

Why are you fine with someone who's proving themselves to be someone who'd be a first-class mid for us for another 7+ years?

 

[foxdog50]

He may walk but if he does it will be to a lower ladder club where he will be best 22 every week it wont be richmond where he would be in the same position he is now.

No matter where he goes it'll hurt us. But I can see him going to Richmond more than anyone.

What pick would you say Narkle is worth?
Current form his a 1st round pick..
But if you average it out and look that he was a fringe player you would be lucky to get a pick in the 50s

 

[thecatattack]

What pick would you say Narkle is worth?
Current form his a 1st round pick..
But if you average it out and look that he was a fringe player you would be lucky to get a pick in the 50s

If he continues his form for the season then his previous years go out the window. It'll be a breakout season and his worth will be based on his current form.

At worst he's worth a second-rounder but I'd be disappointed with that.

 

[Strange Cat]

Thats 1.....

Well you said there wasn’t any other than chook which is proven to be complete bullshit ..maybe open your eyes and watch a vfl game or two instead of sprouting crap that chook is the only talented kid we have

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Every good club has players who are not getting regular game time. Which means players will contemplate leaving. Look at the tigers they have Rioli who’d be in most teams. Yet he is often the sub or us been left out all together.

 

[thecatattack]

Every good club has players who are not getting regular game time. Which means players will contemplate leaving. Look at the tigers they have Rioli who’d be in most teams. Yet he is often the sub or us been left out all together.

That's because Rioli's form has been dropping year by year and so far has peaked at 21.

 

[Down at K Park]

We really need to draft a few more mids this year.

Hopefully cooper can get through his ankle injury and make something of himself. Looking very shaky atm. If he can’t get a clean run injury free he might be a bust.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No matter where he goes it'll hurt us. But I can see him going to Richmond more than anyone.

If he goes to Richmond he'll be not on an afl list in 3 years imo..would be a stupid career move. I know he likes shai but he can hang out with shai every weekend if he plays for any melb based club..he needs to think of his career. He needs to stay and fight to be best 22 with us which i think he can or find a club than can give him a clear best 22 spot which richmond cant. I hope we keep him but its not panic stations if we dont.

 

[Strange Cat]

Every good club has players who are not getting regular game time. Which means players will contemplate leaving. Look at the tigers they have Rioli who’d be in most teams. Yet he is often the sub or us been left out all together.

Rioli is shit and has no consistency hence why he’s dropped

 

[Turbocat]

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AFL list age profiles: Statistical representation of premiership lists (Part 3) – The Roar

Thought I’d do my own stats on our 2020 list (I’m horrible with excel so did it by hand) based off this article on list management age profile for the last 12 premiers.

A few interesting general trends I noticed:
- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at least 3-4 rookies (ie 18-20yrs) who played at least 75% games; all of ours in 2020 within this age played less than 25% games - note: our 2011 team had 4 who played at least 75% games

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at 7-9 youngsters (ie 21-24 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 8 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 4

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had 7-10 players in their prime (ie 25-28 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 7 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 7

- Most of the last 12 premiers had 3-6 veterans (ie 29+ yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 9 in 2020 (above average) - note: our 2011 team had 10

Summary:
- We have sufficient depth of players in the 21-24 and 25-28 yr old groups who are playing a good amount of games (>75%); I found this quite surprising as we often discuss here how we seem to lack players in that prime group

-We don’t have enough quality 18-20 yrs coming through and getting games; even premiership teams seem to fit in more than we are (as of end of 2020)

- We have too many players in their late careers who are still getting a lot of games (as of end of 2020)

Essentially, I think the biggest issue is we need to replenish our youth by investing in the draft or targeting those players 18-20 yrs from other clubs. All the dynastic teams in the last 12 years (Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond) started their dynasties with a good core of young players getting good game time and came through the ranks together. Our list profile may fit in the ‘window’ for short term or current anticipated success, but does not bode well for sustained long term success.
Hope you guys found this useful.

There is no surprise that Geelong are trying to do it differently. In Dyna clubs .... preceding their era, all had multiple years of non finals attendance, while they built thru the draft. Geelong have decided to not do it that way so our list profile reflects that. It's yet to be determined if a club can succeeded doing it that way. The test will come soon.

 

[catempire]

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AFL list age profiles: Statistical representation of premiership lists (Part 3) – The Roar

Thought I’d do my own stats on our 2020 list (I’m horrible with excel so did it by hand) based off this article on list management age profile for the last 12 premiers.

A few interesting general trends I noticed:
- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at least 3-4 rookies (ie 18-20yrs) who played at least 75% games; all of ours in 2020 within this age played less than 25% games - note: our 2011 team had 4 who played at least 75% games

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had at 7-9 youngsters (ie 21-24 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 8 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 4

- Vast majority of the last 12 premiers had 7-10 players in their prime (ie 25-28 yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 7 in 2020 (on par) - note: our 2011 team had 7

- Most of the last 12 premiers had 3-6 veterans (ie 29+ yrs) who played at least 75% games; we had 9 in 2020 (above average) - note: our 2011 team had 10

Summary:
- We have sufficient depth of players in the 21-24 and 25-28 yr old groups who are playing a good amount of games (>75%); I found this quite surprising as we often discuss here how we seem to lack players in that prime group

-We don’t have enough quality 18-20 yrs coming through and getting games; even premiership teams seem to fit in more than we are (as of end of 2020)

- We have too many players in their late careers who are still getting a lot of games (as of end of 2020)

Essentially, I think the biggest issue is we need to replenish our youth by investing in the draft or targeting those players 18-20 yrs from other clubs. All the dynastic teams in the last 12 years (Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond) started their dynasties with a good core of young players getting good game time and came through the ranks together. Our list profile may fit in the ‘window’ for short term or current anticipated success, but does not bode well for sustained long term success.
Hope you guys found this useful.

Great job. And to draw it by hand!

 

[Turbocat]

Rioli is sh*t and has no consistency hence why he’s dropped

Interesting. Probably true. He has played a lot of games since being drafted, over a 100. Been selected in a lot of big games but doesn't have a great record in GF's. 1 goal in 3 GF's.

I do however have a bias toward goal kicker type players. Love SJ and Chappy and that type, big moment players who can do something the steady player will not try.. so with that type I tend to allow brain snaps and quiet times a bit more. Why? Imo guys who have shots at goals can either win or lose you games.

Riolli has issues no doubt. Player like him and Rankine etc they flash in and out ... a bit like Rohan. I have no idea what he would look like in our system. Probably awful when we play slow and better when we play quick. Narkle is less a goal kicker and more a midfield transition player and he has struggled to maintain his spot.

My guess is we would look at a player work rate and k's run in a game , and if they are under what is expected , we will not look at them.

We probably need player his age and experience but more midfielder capable players. As Carlton have show , to recruit based on the idea of a player doing something other than what they have done is a recipe for disapointment

 

[foxdog50]

Well you said there wasn’t any other than chook which is proven to be complete bullshit ..maybe open your eyes and watch a vfl game or two instead of sprouting crap that chook is the only talented kid we have

Geeee listen here mate.....I said I bloody hope I'm wrong for f#ck sake... of course I bloody hope I'm wrong, I was concerned of what I am looking at

 

[cats_09]

Why are you fine with someone who's proving themselves to be someone who'd be a first-class mid for us for another 7+ years?

As of the bye round, Narkle has played 6 games that range in form from:
- was he subbed out against St Kilda because he was virtually invisible after half time
- to being not bad against Sydney
- a really good, solid performance against Richmond as the sub
- then a career best performance against GC which he backed up against Collingwood

So yes he's very recent form has been very good, but don't think we can say that for all games this season

The challenge for him now to maintain his impact from the past 2 weeks as we see others return to the midfield - Guthrie, Duncan, Blicavs and Dangerfield.

How hungry will he be when those guys are back in the side and what impact will he have, or will we see some indifferent performances? The rest of the season isn't about him getting 25-30+ disposals each match, but impacting matches when he has a chance and not fading away like we saw against St Kilda

If he can keep impacting matches, then we can start to look at what he's longer term value to the team may be

 

[Strange Cat]

Geeee listen here mate.....I said I bloody hope I'm wrong for f#ck sake... of course I bloody hope I'm wrong, I was concerned of what I am looking at

Uh huh

I don’t see it as an area we need to be fearful of , as always it’s the rucks that remains a key concern , followed by the defence which I hope Kruger and SDK can improve and step up next year in .

the chicken little behaviour over the “lack of talent “ is pretty laughable if you have watched any of the VFL, Holmes and Stephens will both be A+ in a few years time , Narkles is almost on the cusp of best 22 so hopefully he stays .

pining your hopes on Chook who won’t go anyway as no one is interested in him is a mystery to me personally.

 

[foxdog50]

Uh huh

I don’t see it as an area we need to be fearful of , as always it’s the rucks that remains a key concern , followed by the defence which I hope Kruger and SDK can improve and step up next year in .

the chicken little behaviour over the “lack of talent “ is pretty laughable if you have watched any of the VFL, Holmes and Stephens will both be A+ in a few years time , Narkles is almost on the cusp of best 22 so hopefully he stays .

pining your hopes on Chook who won’t go anyway as no one is interested in him is a mystery to me personally.

I'm very happy with all other parts of the ground. SDK in defence, Kreuger I still can see I'm being good in attack as well in defence, Henry could possibly in my eye be a future captain in 4 or so years, Miers and Close . Neale hopefully can be the young ruck we all want. Holmes looks good to.
I just hope I'm wrong with our mids, and I can say strange cat was correct

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

That's because Rioli's form has been dropping year by year and so far has peaked at 21.

Sure but constable, Clark and Narkle haven’t been ripping the game apart every week in that time either. So the point still stands players come out of the side when they’re not playing well enough to stay in. The best teams can’t afford to have players develop in the AFL if they’re not playing well enough. The AFL isn’t a development league play well enough get games don’t and you play vfl or equivalent. Only the poor or developing teams can afford to let players develop in the AFL.

 

[Drunkcat]

Stephens A+ grade and has not played a official game for Geelong is comical

 

[foxdog50]

Stephens A+ grade and has not played a official game for Geelong is comical

I think his got potential.. but that's all... we think every player we get in the draft is going to be a gun, but in hindsight some are just not good enough

 

[Hamingja]

Stephens A+ grade and has not played a official game for Geelong is comical

Plus he missed the last year of the under 18s so we are now practically at 3 years without playing. Makes Cockatoo look like Zach Tuohy in the durability stakes.

 

[Drunkcat]

I think his got potential.. but that's all... we think every player we get in the draft is going to be a gun, but in hindsight some are just not good enough

A few on here have said he is a A+ grade i am laughing at people saying that

 

[Strange Cat]

A few on here have said he is a A+ grade i am laughing at people saying that

Time will tell won’t it