Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Warhorse]

This poster wcadams88 has hand player based rumours before and has been very accurate over the time.

Whilst not suggesting this is correct or will play out this way - there is a good track record here on accuracy.

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Doesn't his wife run a business in Geelong? I would be very surprised if he left. I don't think Geelong would be suitably compensated if he left.

Are you sure thats correct? DFA when a player has been delisted ... for how long? Would Lang be a delisted FA on our VFL list?

To bring him back in , someone would have to put their hand up and say they got it wrong... would we do that?

Won't happen. Someone should grab him though. It was Kelly's advice that took him to the WAFL. I think he had a tough time last year, got delisted. Decided to really focus on his footy as evidenced by moving to WA. Now he is thriving. Can lock down on a forward or intercept. Never thought he had that level of talent. With some of the big forwards Kings, McKay all bigger he is the perfect size at 199cm with great mobility

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Are you sure thats correct? DFA when a player has been delisted ... for how long? Would Lang be a delisted FA on our VFL list?

To bring him back in , someone would have to put their hand up and say they got it wrong... would we do that?

We have an excuse in that the list sizes were cut. Really depends on the manner of the exit I guess

My understanding is that once you're delisted you're DFA for life.

 

[Turbocat]

We have an excuse in that the list sizes were cut. Really depends on the manner of the exit I guess

My understanding is that once you're delisted you're DFA for life.

I think id need an example of that. Menegola for example need to be drafted. Yes FA once OOC but when they the leave the comp ...not sure.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

So we could potentially lose Guthrie, Constable, Narkle, Clark end of the year. On top of Danger, Duncan, Selwood all on the wrong side of 30.

Need to hit the midfield hard this draft.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think id need an example of that. Menegola for example need to be drafted. Yes FA once OOC but when they the leave the comp ...not sure.

Menegola was on our list only 5 years but qualified for free agency as he is now a DFA for life when ooc. We had to draft Sam because it was before the rule change. Otherwise how would he be a free agent after 5 years?

 

[Turbocat]

Menegola was on our list only 5 years but qualified for free agency as he is now a DFA for life when ooc. We had to draft Sam because it was before the rule change. Otherwise how would he be a free agent after 5 years?

Two different situations. A previously delisted player who is on an AFL list , lets say Menegola or Brownless , who falls OOC then he is FA. No dispute after the rule change thats clear. However Im not sure that status is maintained for life. For example Kennerley. Would he be a FA after playing SANFL? I doubt it but if there is an example of this then fine.

 

[Turbocat]

So we could potentially lose Guthrie, Constable, Narkle, Clark end of the year. On top of Danger, Duncan, Selwood all on the wrong side of 30.

Need to hit the midfield hard this draft.

Potentially we could lose anyone who is OOC. Clark is a choice

 

[Drunkcat]

Done Deal, reliable sources confirm that Cam Guthrie and his brother will be playing for Gold Coast next year

AT least we get to kick out Zac

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Two different situations. A previously delisted player who is on an AFL list , lets say Menegola or Brownless , who falls OOC then he is FA. No dispute after the rule change thats clear. However Im not sure that status is maintained for life. For example Kennerley. Would he be a FA after playing SANFL? I doubt it but if there is an example of this then fine.

Well Sam was delisted by freo 2014 then played wafl for 2015 before coming to us and was then a DFA when ooc so that part fits.

So are you saying that they might not be DFA if they were actively playing wafl rather than at an afl club? I mean I can't think of an example off the top of my head but not sure why they'd restrict it that way to begin with.

 

[Turbocat]

Well Sam was delisted by freo 2014 then played wafl for 2015 before coming to us and was then a DFA when ooc so that part fits.

So are you saying that they might not be DFA if they were actively playing wafl rather than at an afl club? I mean I can't think of an example off the top of my head but not sure why they'd restrict it that way to begin with.

Im saying once they leave the afl ... they are no longer a delisted FA. Once they come back into the afl they may be considered a DFA like Menegola.

Once they leave an afl list and are listed on a lower level list , they become a non afl player..and once that happens they need to reenter the afl thru the draft. Id say its quite plausible that someone like kennerley could go back to SANFL and become a Kelly type, and be worthy of being onan AFL list by the time he is 23 or 24 etc.

Let see if and what happens with Sclengsog. At his age and size , id say he has a chance of getting onto someones list.

 

[cats_09]

Regarding the delisted free agency discussion, i've found a couple of articles from 2018 & 2019 from when the DFA rules changed. Not sure if helpful or not

1:

Delisted free agency
Players who have been delisted by an AFL club this year can join any AFL club that offers up a contract. Axed Fremantle player Harley Bennell

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Harley Bennell

Age

33

Ht

185cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

11.9

4star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.7

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.7

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.3

1star

CL

1.0

3star

D

17.6

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.8

4star

looms as a high-profile delisted free agent this year.

Free agency for life
There are new rules implemented this year whereby any player who has previously been a free agent automatically becomes a free agent at the end of every ensuing contract. James Frawley

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James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

, who joined Hawthorn as a free agent from Melbourne at the end of 2014, falls into this category – although he recently chose to re-sign with the Hawks.

2:

AFL player movement will reportedly go to a new flexible level at the end of the 2019 season, with players that previously moved clubs as free agents to regain the status when they next come out of contract, according Fairfax Media...

...The new ruling, which the AFL confirmed to Fairfax Media, also means delisted players who couldn’t immediately find a new home can be picked up again as delisted free agents, ensuring they can bypass the national and rookie drafts.

That means the likes of axed Roo Billy Hartung

Billy Hartung

Age

30

Ht

177cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

8.3

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

and former Sun Michael Barlow, who were widely regarded as unlucky to be delisted recently, could be recruited as delisted free agents next season, should a club see a need to recruit them.

1 - https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...jargon-and-the-new-rules-20190926-p52v09.html

2 - https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/2d651b8d3445a0f55f80e57278102942

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Regarding the delisted free agency discussion, i've found a couple of articles from 2018 & 2019 from when the DFA rules changed. Not sure if helpful or not

1:



2:



1 - https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...jargon-and-the-new-rules-20190926-p52v09.html

2 - https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/2d651b8d3445a0f55f80e57278102942

So if they're using Hartung as an example in a Dec 2018 article after the roos delisted him and he wasn't picked up as someone that could be picked up as FA in the next period then that seems to imply that it doesn't matter where he plays. I could be misreading it Turbocat

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Regarding the delisted free agency discussion, i've found a couple of articles from 2018 & 2019 from when the DFA rules changed. Not sure if helpful or not

1:



2:



1 - https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...jargon-and-the-new-rules-20190926-p52v09.html

2 - https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/2d651b8d3445a0f55f80e57278102942

Also, thanks for the leg work

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think id need an example of that. Menegola for example need to be drafted. Yes FA once OOC but when they the leave the comp ...not sure.

Menegola was before they brought in the lifetime FA rule. Now its FA for life once you are delisted.

 

[Hamingja]

Menegola was before they brought in the lifetime FA rule. Now its FA for life once you are delisted.

Which is why I think teams shied away from previous AFL players in the mid season draft. If they want them at the end of the year they can just take them DFA, better to horde away the state league players that would have to go through the draft.

 

[cats_09]

So if they're using Hartung as an example in a Dec 2018 article after the roos delisted him and he wasn't picked up as someone that could be picked up as FA in the next period then that seems to imply that it doesn't matter where he plays. I could be misreading it Turbocat

The Hartung example is why I included the second article because it does sound like once a DFA that the player can be picked up in subsequent seasons during the DFA period

But like all things AFL, it's not always the clearest to finding out the info

 

[Turbocat]

So if they're using Hartung as an example in a Dec 2018 article after the roos delisted him and he wasn't picked up as someone that could be picked up as FA in the next period then that seems to imply that it doesn't matter where he plays. I could be misreading it Turbocat

AS I said..im fine with being shown Im wrong..I just have not seen an example of it. Under that example Schlensog could be just recruited not drafted...unless there is some minor criteria about main list and rookie B etc.

 

[Strange Cat]

Just to clarify the sources are from Cams partner and Cam himself for anyone that is interested, they are considering the move I never said it would happen but he's partner is looking pretty hard for property with another friend of mine.

He would be stupid not to at least consider his options as his next contract should be a big one .

can’t fault him even if he leaves

 

[Turbocat]

He would be stupid not to at least consider his options as his next contract should be a big one .

can’t fault him even if he leaves

100%. Not ideal but take the bounce of the ball and play on.

P21 or so would hurt but imo we are lucky to get anything for a UFA. Any player that has given ten years service to a club ... then the club wants comp for the loss ..its almost like double dipping.

 

[Turbocat]

Menegola was before they brought in the lifetime FA rule. Now its FA for life once you are delisted.

Not against ..just have not seen an example of it yet. So in years to come players like Schlensog and Kennerley will just be listed by clubs of their choice. Fair enough.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

AS I said..im fine with being shown Im wrong..I just have not seen an example of it. Under that example Schlensog could be just recruited not drafted...unless there is some minor criteria about main list and rookie B etc.

Yeah the terminology is vague at the best of times. Reading the way it's written I think it seems like Schlensog is a DFA but I guess we'll see

 

[FredLeDeux]

This poster wcadams88 has hand player based rumours before and has been very accurate over the time.

Whilst not suggesting this is correct or will play out this way - there is a good track record here on accuracy.

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How many right and how many wrong, Daz?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This poster wcadams88 has hand player based rumours before and has been very accurate over the time.

Whilst not suggesting this is correct or will play out this way - there is a good track record here on accuracy.

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F**********!

 

[dazbroncos]

How many right and how many wrong, Daz?

Roughly 4-1 right
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[wcadams88]

Roughly 4-1 right
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Hey guys.
Don't know Cams decision but the conversation was along the lines of my friend whom is moving to QLD next week.
He has said over the past year or so Cam and he's partner have considered the move (more he's partner) and Cam being the nice guy he is has entertained that idea last year and this year more so.. What that means around what will actually happen is anyone's guess, but my information is always based on conversations with certain players so I don't claim to know everything ha ha.

Will he go? Who knows, but its a conversation that has been had for sure.