Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Shooooltzey]

If we want a tall mid ginbey is far and away my favourite out of him, phillipou and mckenzie. The whole point of getting a taller mid is for them to be a contested beast or else that height buffer doesn't get that full use. Phillipou and mckenzie both have good contested skills however ginbey just plays at a different level of tenacity and ferociousness. mckenzie and phillipous damage comes from the spread away from the contest.

A lot of people tend to say ginbey doesn't have x-factor but his athletic profile is off the charts. As a mid he reminds me a lot of chad warner

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Chad Warner

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4.5

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2.5

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1.5

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1.5

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0.0

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7.0

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4.5

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in his draft year who got criminally underrated because people thought he didn't have x-factor in his draft year but look at him now. Warner was probably a slightly better accumulator in his year however ginbey has been a defender until very recently. Ginbey obviously has more height. Otherwise there strengths and weaknesses are very similar. If like warner he can drastically improve his disposal he can be the best player in this draft.

I think learning under dangerfield will be big for his development. He has the potential to win a contested ball that shouldn't be his, burst of of the stoppage and kick it 60+ on his raking left boot just like danger.

I understand his disposal by foot is a bit suspect but looking who we have recruited recently a ginbey would have plenty of players to feed the ball to. bruhn and bowes are both super classy. Plus whyte, kroeger and willis are also very good users. Aside from willis which young player has bull potential? Parf and axe are very good and tough mids but neither of them have that ultra elite contested ability like a danger.

In interviews Ginbey always mentions how he just wants to compete and give it his all which is the attitude I want to hear from a contested mid.

The risk is he is a little bit raw as a mid. But generally the players with the best contested ability are the least likely to be busts at the top end of the draft. Ginbey, Ashcroft, Clark and Wardlaw are the best contested players and if I was a recruiter these would be the first 4 mids on my draft board as I am a fan of being safe with a top 10 pick.

Ginbey is a country kid so he should enjoy the lifestyle which geelong can offer. About a week ago I said I wanted clark but after further research ginbey has overtaken him. I dismissed him early based of his lack of accumulation but after considering the fact he only recently started playing mid and the massive development team we have at the club I think the risk is worthwhile to take. What do you guys think?

 

[Tristan34]

If we want a tall mid ginbey is far and away my favourite out of him, phillipou and mckenzie. The whole point of getting a taller mid is for them to be a contested beast or else that height buffer doesn't get that full use. Phillipou and mckenzie both have good contested skills however ginbey just plays at a different level of tenacity and ferociousness. mckenzie and phillipous damage comes from the spread away from the contest.

A lot of people tend to say ginbey doesn't have x-factor but his athletic profile is off the charts. As a mid he reminds me a lot of chad warner in his draft year who got criminally underrated because people thought he didn't have x-factor in his draft year but look at him now. Warner was probably a slightly better accumulator in his year however ginbey has been a defender until very recently. Ginbey obviously has more height. Otherwise there strengths and weaknesses are very similar. If like warner he can drastically improve his disposal he can be the best player in this draft.

I think learning under dangerfield will be big for his development. He has the potential to win a contested ball that shouldn't be his, burst of of the stoppage and kick it 60+ on his raking left boot just like danger.

I understand his disposal by foot is a bit suspect but looking who we have recruited recently a ginbey would have plenty of players to feed the ball to. bruhn and bowes are both super classy. Plus whyte, kroeger and willis are also very good users. Aside from willis which young player has bull potential? Parf and axe are very good and tough mids but neither of them have that ultra elite contested ability like a danger.

In interviews Ginbey always mentions how he just wants to compete and give it his all which is the attitude I want to hear from a contested mid.

The risk is he is a little bit raw as a mid. But generally the players with the best contested ability are the least likely to be busts at the top end of the draft. Ginbey, Ashcroft, Clark and Wardlaw are the best contested players and if I was a recruiter these would be the first 4 mids on my draft board as I am a fan of being safe with a top 10 pick.

Ginbey is a country kid so he should enjoy the lifestyle which geelong can offer. About a week ago I said I wanted clark but after further research ginbey has overtaken him. I dismissed him early based of his lack of accumulation but after considering the fact he only recently started playing mid and the massive development team we have at the club I think the risk is worthwhile to take. What do you guys think?

He definitely looks the good and probably one of the safer bets in the draft with his defensive work, decision making and kicking skills.. I think North, GC or Essendon could grab him...My bet is North with pick 3.

 

[supahoops]

If we want a tall mid ginbey is far and away my favourite out of him, phillipou and mckenzie. The whole point of getting a taller mid is for them to be a contested beast or else that height buffer doesn't get that full use. Phillipou and mckenzie both have good contested skills however ginbey just plays at a different level of tenacity and ferociousness. mckenzie and phillipous damage comes from the spread away from the contest.

A lot of people tend to say ginbey doesn't have x-factor but his athletic profile is off the charts. As a mid he reminds me a lot of chad warner in his draft year who got criminally underrated because people thought he didn't have x-factor in his draft year but look at him now. Warner was probably a slightly better accumulator in his year however ginbey has been a defender until very recently. Ginbey obviously has more height. Otherwise there strengths and weaknesses are very similar. If like warner he can drastically improve his disposal he can be the best player in this draft.

I think learning under dangerfield will be big for his development. He has the potential to win a contested ball that shouldn't be his, burst of of the stoppage and kick it 60+ on his raking left boot just like danger.

I understand his disposal by foot is a bit suspect but looking who we have recruited recently a ginbey would have plenty of players to feed the ball to. bruhn and bowes are both super classy. Plus whyte, kroeger and willis are also very good users. Aside from willis which young player has bull potential? Parf and axe are very good and tough mids but neither of them have that ultra elite contested ability like a danger.

In interviews Ginbey always mentions how he just wants to compete and give it his all which is the attitude I want to hear from a contested mid.

The risk is he is a little bit raw as a mid. But generally the players with the best contested ability are the least likely to be busts at the top end of the draft. Ginbey, Ashcroft, Clark and Wardlaw are the best contested players and if I was a recruiter these would be the first 4 mids on my draft board as I am a fan of being safe with a top 10 pick.

Ginbey is a country kid so he should enjoy the lifestyle which geelong can offer. About a week ago I said I wanted clark but after further research ginbey has overtaken him. I dismissed him early based of his lack of accumulation but after considering the fact he only recently started playing mid and the massive development team we have at the club I think the risk is worthwhile to take. What do you guys think?

Was thinking this earlier, watching Ginbeys highlights and projecting how a couple of yours in our system could look. Huge upside and a different type. Has a bit of Bont and even Roughead about him, I’d be more than happy to go down this path.

 

[catstragic]

Perfect world... id love Clark to be 188 plus... but id probably place more value on other aspects than just height. There are plenty of tall mids than come and go its not the defining factor in my eyes ...but I do agree ...once a player get below a certain number it can be detrimental. If Clark was 177 would we still be as hot for him? Not sure.

Too many players get drafted on "size" .... while the majority of elite mids for past twenty years have been low 180's.... Talent+character are more important IMO

 

[Lana]

Perfect world... id love Clark to be 188 plus... but id probably place more value on other aspects than just height. There are plenty of tall mids than come and go its not the defining factor in my eyes ...but I do agree ...once a player get below a certain number it can be detrimental. If Clark was 177 would we still be as hot for him? Not sure.

I think weight is much more valuable than height, they don't always go hand in hand.

 

[Turbocat]

I think weight is much more valuable than height, they don't always go hand in hand.

Yes..I think its all just a check sheet of boxes.. Height is one. Fram another . Weight another. A long time ago but I remember Kel Mathews at geelong ..was sub 180..but he seemed like a cannonball. No idea what he would have weighed.

The kid Jenssen was a big frame and height... and never got near it at Geelong. Talent can overcome some other shortfalls

 

[BIGANT]

Clark is a gun, he ain’t no vanilla mid.

I pretty much never comment on new kids coming through usually coz I’ve never seen them play, however on this occasion I have seen him play…enough to form a decent judgement, and I’d love him to land at Geelong at the end of the month.

Disrespectful calling Clark vanilla. Thought that was totally uncalled for.

 

[jnrburger]

41 days since our last premiership, 28 days since cleaning up in the trade period, 24 days til we pick some top talent in the draft, and membership renewal for 2023 about to be processed. I just like reminding myself of all that!

A few questions for those more across list rules and draft talent:

1. Riccardi onto normal rookie list, Clohesy onto Cat B as NGA? (assuming neither gets picked in national draft and we match after pick 40)?

2. McKenna (again, assuming) - why not Cat B rookie as an automatic selection under the Irish listing rules (I appreciate he’s played AFL before, but does that actually stop the Cat B piece?) - ie. couldn’t he simply take the Mullin list spot if he nominated us?

3. If Simpson were to retire - would anyone look at Collier-Dawkins as a bigger mid as DFA / rookie? Some of his Richmond VFL games not bad. Similarly, does anyone think someone like Jarrod Brander

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Jarrod Brander

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26

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195cm

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10.3

3star

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2.4

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4.9

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1.0

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0.3

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12.3

3star

K

9.0

4star

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3.3

2star

M

5.8

5star

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1.3

2star

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0.5

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9.6

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7.2

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2.4

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4.2

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1.0

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0.2

2star

could play a Blicavs style role in the VFL and give us some tall depth as a potential rookie?

4. Of the bigger defenders that could fall towards our later pick (58 - albeit may come in a bit after bid matching?) - who is likely and of value - was looking at James Van Es - any thoughts as to talent / whether he could get through to us late?

5. Any potential rookie talent in the small defender category?

Feel free to answer any or all!!


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[BORIS332]

If we want a tall mid ginbey is far and away my favourite out of him, phillipou and mckenzie. The whole point of getting a taller mid is for them to be a contested beast or else that height buffer doesn't get that full use. Phillipou and mckenzie both have good contested skills however ginbey just plays at a different level of tenacity and ferociousness. mckenzie and phillipous damage comes from the spread away from the contest.

A lot of people tend to say ginbey doesn't have x-factor but his athletic profile is off the charts. As a mid he reminds me a lot of chad warner in his draft year who got criminally underrated because people thought he didn't have x-factor in his draft year but look at him now. Warner was probably a slightly better accumulator in his year however ginbey has been a defender until very recently. Ginbey obviously has more height. Otherwise there strengths and weaknesses are very similar. If like warner he can drastically improve his disposal he can be the best player in this draft.

I think learning under dangerfield will be big for his development. He has the potential to win a contested ball that shouldn't be his, burst of of the stoppage and kick it 60+ on his raking left boot just like danger.

I understand his disposal by foot is a bit suspect but looking who we have recruited recently a ginbey would have plenty of players to feed the ball to. bruhn and bowes are both super classy. Plus whyte, kroeger and willis are also very good users. Aside from willis which young player has bull potential? Parf and axe are very good and tough mids but neither of them have that ultra elite contested ability like a danger.

In interviews Ginbey always mentions how he just wants to compete and give it his all which is the attitude I want to hear from a contested mid.

The risk is he is a little bit raw as a mid. But generally the players with the best contested ability are the least likely to be busts at the top end of the draft. Ginbey, Ashcroft, Clark and Wardlaw are the best contested players and if I was a recruiter these would be the first 4 mids on my draft board as I am a fan of being safe with a top 10 pick.

Ginbey is a country kid so he should enjoy the lifestyle which geelong can offer. About a week ago I said I wanted clark but after further research ginbey has overtaken him. I dismissed him early based of his lack of accumulation but after considering the fact he only recently started playing mid and the massive development team we have at the club I think the risk is worthwhile to take. What do you guys think?

‘Lack of production’ is putting it very lightly. The most possies he had at WAFL colts level was 19. That’s typically a pretty weak level too. Chad Warner was having 30 every week at WAFL colts. He’s much more Collier-Dawkins than Warner.

 

[BigCat1]

41 days since our last premiership, 28 days since cleaning up in the trade period, 24 days til we pick some top talent in the draft, and membership renewal for 2023 about to be processed. I just like reminding myself of all that!

A few questions for those more across list rules and draft talent:

1. Riccardi onto normal rookie list, Clohesy onto Cat B as NGA? (assuming neither gets picked in national draft and we match after pick 40)?

2. McKenna (again, assuming) - why not Cat B rookie as an automatic selection under the Irish listing rules (I appreciate he’s played AFL before, but does that actually stop the Cat B piece?) - ie. couldn’t he simply take the Mullin list spot if he nominated us?

3. If Simpson were to retire - would anyone look at Collier-Dawkins as a bigger mid as DFA / rookie? Some of his Richmond VFL games not bad. Similarly, does anyone think someone like Jarrod Brander could play a Blicavs style role in the VFL and give us some tall depth as a potential rookie?

4. Of the bigger defenders that could fall towards our later pick (58 - albeit may come in a bit after bid matching?) - who is likely and of value - was looking at James Van Es - any thoughts as to talent / whether he could get through to us late?

5. Any potential rookie talent in the small defender category?

Feel free to answer any or all!!


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1 yep. That’s why we nominated them. We hope no bids come and we can add Clohsey in particular to a Cat B rookie outside our list and cap. That had to be notified to clubs by Friday.
2. I don’t believe McKenna can be a Cat B rookie as he has been in a list before. It’s either main list or rookie list like any other players
3. Hope simmo stays on the list primary or rookie. Rich mates say RCD is as soft as butter with zero intensity even if he does find the ball and is reasonably quick. Not sure you can change that. No to Brander. Third clubs by your mid 20s is fool me twice stuff for mine
4. Not tall but i know we have interviewed Charlie Clark a bunch but we have no picks in that range so looks impossible

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Clayton Oliver is the best in the business and is no tank.

No he isn't.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

‘Lack of production’ is putting it very lightly. The most possies he had at WAFL colts level was 19. That’s typically a pretty weak level too. Chad Warner was having 30 every week at WAFL colts. He’s much more Collier-Dawkins than Warner.

I've said it before but imo Hewett is the best mid from WA.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Disrespectful calling Clark vanilla. Thought that was totally uncalled for.

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Jhye Clark is a gun. If we don't draft him I'll be disappointed..

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

On Jhye Clark, he reminds me a lot of Jimmy Bartel. Can go forward a take an overhead mark. He's more than an inside mid.

 

[Two Planks]

Brander has signed to play country footy next year in NSW

 

[And_ROOS]

It seems this Bowes bloke is a natural leader. Now given Joel is irreplaceable so it’s unfair to compare but maybe that’s part of why we wanted Bowes in the first place? The captain after the next captain.

I don't know enough about him but heard he was a talented mid, and lets be honest wouldn't be far fetched for a badly run team in Queensland to put players in the wrong positions...

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Thank you for reaching out. Life hasn't been kind to him of late...we can only hope when things settle, that he pays us a visit.

A shame indeed.

It can't keep happening, as a group we all need to be better.

This place is a sanctuary for so many. A way to get away from the world and discuss a common passion. It should be welcoming and have a sense of community, and most of the time it does...but we have a tendency to eat our own a bit in here.

The Main board and Bay 13 are a different story, but we shouldn't be losing good posters because we target our own or get into petty fights.

We're all here because of a mutual love for the Geelong Football Club. It's bloody November and we're still here, that says it all. That's what this place should be about.

We back each other up, not choose to bait and target over a topic that doesn't mean anything in the greater scheme of things.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Clayton Oliver is the best in the business and is no tank.

Hence why I mentioned Bont who's not exactly Arnold Schwarzenegger either. It all depends on what the club see him as and how they want to best utilise his strengths.

 

[gogeelongcats]

It can't keep happening, as a group we all need to be better.

This place is a sanctuary for so many. A way to get away from the world and discuss a common passion. It should be welcoming and have a sense of community, and most of the time it does...but we have a tendency to eat our own a bit in here.

The Main board and Bay 13 are a different story, but we shouldn't be losing good posters because we target our own or get into petty fights.

We're all here because of a mutual love for the Geelong Football Club. It's bloody November and we're still here, that says it all. That's what this place should be about.

We back each other up, not choose to bait and target over a topic that doesn't mean anything in the greater scheme of things.

From little thing's big things happen.
Let's get along.
I like a little argy-bargy but it must be in good spirits and not target the individual.
There is enough crap in the real world and this should be our place of comfort.

 

[TheAthlete]

There's a time to speak...and a time to be silent. It's pretty obvious which applies at this point in ti

I think we are going to have to take the risk sooner or later on that tall powerful mid/forward type if we want to compete long term with the Melbourne's,Carlton's and Western Bulldogs sort of midfields, just aren't going to be able to compete when your whole midfield is 180-185cm, unless Knevitt really comes on we dont have any of those guys coming through on our list right now, which is why I'd be inclined to take Phillipou while hes there for the taking if it was up to me and was disappointed we let Stephens go virtually for nothing as he fills a future list need.

Everything I hear is that the cats like Clark but obviously everyone knows who I think we should pick hahaha.

 

[iameviljez]

No he isn't.

Most clearances per game this year, at least. I mean, opinions are absolutely subjective but at least he is up there as an inside player.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

How is elijah Hewett not getting more love?
This is your Danger replacement.
So good on both sides of his body by both hand and foot.

The handballs ... Polly!!!!!

my only reservation is with the young players like whose height is in shouting distance of their weight - in this case, around 185/85). It's true for most of this year's top ten or twelve (exceptions are Tsatas, Ginbey, Hollands and Jefferson). I know there is a lot of love for big bodied juniors but I'm always sceptical about their ability to improve. They have likely been dominating in part because of size, against those who still weigh 70/75 kilos. Life gets harder in the big league and quite a few players don't seem to adapt to going to the bottom of the pond for a while. It does seem to be easier to build bodies than skills, which seems counterintuitive.

Hewett looks to have fantastic agility, and great presence of mind, that together buy him time. Again, that can change in the big league, but although I have been dreaming for years about taking a good pick to the draft, the idea of somehow picking up this bloke and Busslinger is pretty tempting. Don't see how it could be done, but thank you for posting

 

[BORIS332]

How is elijah Hewett not getting more love?
This is your Danger replacement.
So good on both sides of his body by both hand and foot.

My favourite in this draft. Looks an absolute jet.

 

[Sky]

It can't keep happening, as a group we all need to be better.

This place is a sanctuary for so many. A way to get away from the world and discuss a common passion. It should be welcoming and have a sense of community, and most of the time it does...but we have a tendency to eat our own a bit in here.

The Main board and Bay 13 are a different story, but we shouldn't be losing good posters because we target our own or get into petty fights.

We're all here because of a mutual love for the Geelong Football Club. It's bloody November and we're still here, that says it all. That's what this place should be about.

We back each other up, not choose to bait and target over a topic that doesn't mean anything in the greater scheme of things.

Not gonna pretend that the bloke spoken about hasn’t come full force at me previously but I don’t hold it to them. It’s been what, two days? It’s noticeable already that we are lesser for them not posting.

Shadow is still one of the more insightful users on our board even if he & I disagree on a lot. Perhaps the same reason why I rate someone like Phatboy so highly cause he dismantles all the shit I write on the main board

 

[Sky]

On Jhye Clark, he reminds me a lot of Jimmy Bartel. Can go forward a take an overhead mark. He's more than an inside mid.

How’s he go on a wet field?