Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Gee Class Loco]

Josh Walker delisted

Cant stick with Norf? Yep, Leopold Lions next year me thinks.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Yep....and he's a flight risk to boot...

Why coz he's not from Geelong?
C'mon man just because a few kids go home u gonna tarnish them all??

 

[MacStradbroke]

Jay Clarke has him going to brisbane

Brisbane building very nicely with suitable types, and McKenna would be perfect for them. Going to be hard to beat next year if Adams can somehow stay upright.

Serious did anyone see the liability that Daniel Rich was in the finals this year? Terrible. Don’t gimme stats either coz they’re all either kick outs or someone handing it to him after they’d won it. Cooked.

 

[And_ROOS]

Neale is a lead and mark type. Hasn't smarts that I notice yet. Ill wait for further development. When out of position can't read the situation to bring the ball to the ground. Is he athletic? As for Simpson. He is robotic and doesn't have a high skill level and slowish. Tom De Koning. Doesn't get played every week. These players are talked up on posts. Why ?

TDK played 19 of 22 matches this year so he was hardly floating in and out of the team.

Simpson we haven't really seen since 2020 whenhe had some really good games. But with so much time missing hard to tell what to make of him.

As for Neale, haven't seen enough of him at AFL level to form an opinion, but he had 3 games out of 15 where he kicked either 1.2 or 1.3, one game where he kicked 01. and the rest of the season either kicked 2 goals (7 games), 3 goals (1 game), 4 goals (2 games) or 5 goals (1 game).

So he is tall, knows where the goals are and can ruck a little bit. And only 20. Keep seeing people say he is a Hawkins replacement (no one under 25 can replace Hawkins) but for context Neale has 2 games against opposition who put up a fight in his first year.

Hawkins got 9 games in his first year for 12 goals, but if you break it down Hawkins only kicked goals in 4 games (2x 4, 1x 3, 1x 1) and they were against shit teams we belted.
Might have seen more of what Neale can do if he got games against teams like North, Saints, Suns, Eagles rather than Port for example.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Is there a way to find out the draft combine results in it's entirety?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Seems like a FIGJAM, lol - part of the reason that I'm not interested. Also know that we hate those types, so can't see us grabbing him

On the contrary, Dodoro loves those types. Lock him in to Essendon.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Why do you say that he is fit enough for AFL? Gaelic football is an amateur sport, played on a smaller rectangular ground for a shorter duration and there is no tackling.

He's not Jack Steven. I don't think he's spent his hiatus putting on 20 kegs and drinking milkshakes with hotdogs as straws.

 

[allrighty]

1000% yes.

Its that simple.

Granted - you dont replace Tomma...

But - for one to take his vacated position, I feel Neale is the best asset to do so.

202, great kicking technique, good but not great hands. Reads the ball and play well. Very mobile for size. Can ruck if needed but not his 1 wood. Good hands and good 2/3 efforts on the ground.

Keep SDK at FB and have Neale at FF with Jezza at CHF.

The issue for me is getting enough games into Neale WITH Tomma still playing.

GO Catters

Good post Daz, don't forget TDK!

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Why coz he's not from Geelong?
C'mon man just because a few kids go home u gonna tarnish them all??

I think it's just the changing landscape that's lead a few to be wary.

Back even just 10-15 years ago, if you came into a football club as a 17/18 year old you were pretty much considered rubbish until you proved otherwise. Nowadays it's the complete opposite. These kids have been told they are future superstars since they were 13, and have had their highlights posted all over Instagram and YouTube while still being in high school.

As a big American sports fan I don't mind it, as it's been commonplace over there for decades...but it does lead to these kids having very big egos, and a certain sense of entitlement that just wasn't common in years gone-by. I think what David the Cat is getting at is Phillipou is unlikely to be in our best team next year, and if you've got a kid who already thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread sitting in the twos, while also being from interstate it can lead to media speculation and the eventual departure of said player (See JHF).

It used to be normal for a draftee to bide his time in the twos for a couple years until he was considered ready (particularly at a good team), nowadays it just doesn't really happen. We're probably the only club who still does it from time to time, everyone else just throws them to the wolves.

 

[Baudolino]

Agree wholeheartedly with your second line. To me, most other sides in the 8 this year have improved their starting line ups next year, a couple drastically (Lions & Tigers), where the Cats starting line up has been weakened a tad, unless one of the newbies grows a leg on their exposed form this year.

This is why I don't get the whole "the rich keep getting richer" reactions to our trade period dealings.

We did do a great job setting up our future by bringing in the young talent we needed, but as far as next season is concerned, you could make a strong argument that out of all the realistic contenders for the 2023 premiership, we were the one of the only sides among them that didn't manage to improve their best 22 at all. Brisbane gain Dunkley, Gunston, and Ashcroft. That's a massive improvement to their best 22. Richmond gain Taranto and Hopper. Again, a huge improvement that instantly rejuvenates their declining midfield. Melbourne gain Grundy. His arrival means they now have possibly the best ruck duo of all time. Carlton bring in the run of Blake Acres, which fills one of their biggest needs.

It just seems weird how the narrative from opposition supporters has been about Geelong supposedly "getting stronger" when we brought in a 24 year old who spent most of the year in the VFL, and two kids who will likely be marginal selections at best, whereas our rivals have brought in proven quality who will be instant upgrades.

Sidenote: none of the above should be interpreted as me suggesting that any of the teams listed above are more likely flag winners than us next year. I would still have us as premiership favourites.

 

[Lana]

This is why I don't get the whole "the rich keep getting richer" reactions to our trade period dealings.

We did do a great job setting up our future by bringing in the young talent we needed, but as far as next season is concerned, you could make a strong argument that out of all the realistic contenders for the 2023 premiership, we were the one of the only sides among them that didn't manage to improve their best 22 at all. Brisbane gain Dunkley, Gunston, and Ashcroft. That's a massive improvement to their best 22. Richmond gain Taranto and Hopper. Again, a huge improvement that instantly rejuvenates their declining midfield. Melbourne gain Grundy. His arrival means they now have possibly the best ruck duo of all time. Carlton bring in the run of Blake Acres, which fills one of their biggest needs.

It just seems weird how the narrative from opposition supporters has been about Geelong supposedly "getting stronger" when we brought in a 24 year old who spent most of the year in the VFL, and two kids who will likely be marginal selections at best, whereas our rivals have brought in proven quality who will be instant upgrades.

Sidenote: none of the above should be interpreted as me suggesting that any of the teams listed above are more likely flag winners than us next year. I would still have us as premiership favourites.

We didn't get stronger as we aren't theoretically deficient in any particular area from our last game. Our issue is one of sustainment, can we keep the group motivated and health through another pre-season, 22 rounds and then finals.

Teams get overrated by bringing in names, and while some of those names are good they either cover player who left or push out equivalents from their first choice positions. At best they help maintain the level the teams were at.

In 2015 when we recruited Dangerfield in, our 2nd inside midfielder was Caddy.
In 2020 when we recruited Cameron in, our 2nd KPF was Rohan or at times Sav.

These were transformative changes to our team. I see the Jackson Trade to Freemantle as being the closest (they should be trying mimic our use of Blicavs), but it immediately undermined by the recruitment of O'Meara.

 

[Baudolino]

We didn't get stronger as we aren't theoretically deficient in any particular area from our last game. Our issue is one of sustainment, can we keep the group motivated and health through another pre-season, 22 rounds and then finals.

But opposition supporters are all insisting we have improved and that we're now even stronger than we were as a result of our trade period. That was my whole point.

 

[D BRIDGE]

But opposition supporters are all insisting we have improved and that we're now even stronger than we were as a result of our trade period. That was my whole point.

We haven't gotten stronger... but if the kids we got in end up meeting their potential, they can help us stay up for longer.

In saying that I don't think Bruhn or Henry will have huge impacts next year.

Bowes maybe.

 

[Kitcat]

We didn't get stronger as we aren't theoretically deficient in any particular area from our last game. Our issue is one of sustainment, can we keep the group motivated and health through another pre-season, 22 rounds and then finals.

Teams get overrated by bringing in names, and while some of those names are good they either cover player who left or push out equivalents from their first choice positions. At best they help maintain the level the teams were at.

In 2015 when we recruited Dangerfield in, our 2nd inside midfielder was Caddy.
In 2020 when we recruited Cameron in, our 2nd KPF was Rohan or at times Sav.

These were transformative changes to our team. I see the Jackson Trade to Freemantle as being the closest (they should be trying mimic our use of Blicavs), but it immediately undermined by the recruitment of O'Meara.

And a lot will depend on how we tweak our game plan to keep ahead, as our 2022 tactics will be copied.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

But opposition supporters are all insisting we have improved and that we're now even stronger than we were as a result of our trade period. That was my whole point.

I think they're saying rich get richer. Rich people don't need more money. Neither do we need players outside the b22.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I'm still convinced that Hawthorn will select Clark and we'll trade down with Sydney for 14/17 and a Future pick for pick 7

Or with Melbourne for their 13.

We sort of need to orchestrate something for next year IMO. Either on draft night if Clark becomes unavailable or next years trade period.
We could have some retirements next year and a F1 (12-18) and........ bubkis end of draft selections ain't going to allow us to replenish that.

 

[Spearman]

All the malcontents are focussing on the big neon 7 in the Bowes deal. They can't or won't see it for the deal sweetener it is. Anyone who has had to sell something in a tough market understands throwing in a little something to make it easier.
Bowes' contract makes it a tough one to swallow, so the Suns add a good pick the make it palatable.
It shouldn't be hard to understand.

 

[Shadow89]

Larry Donohue found the article - was from August, and was just one of those 'leading in the race' articles.

Most recent Herald Sun Best 23 had him as already in our side, so the thinking has changed a fair bit now since then, about where he'll land. Brisbane is still the other one that's possible, but right now, he probably still hasn't made his mind up yet (even if everyone is already acting like he has)

 

[CatRiot]

TDK played 19 of 22 matches this year so he was hardly floating in and out of the team.

Simpson we haven't really seen since 2020 whenhe had some really good games. But with so much time missing hard to tell what to make of him.

As for Neale, haven't seen enough of him at AFL level to form an opinion, but he had 3 games out of 15 where he kicked either 1.2 or 1.3, one game where he kicked 01. and the rest of the season either kicked 2 goals (7 games), 3 goals (1 game), 4 goals (2 games) or 5 goals (1 game).

So he is tall, knows where the goals are and can ruck a little bit. And only 20. Keep seeing people say he is a Hawkins replacement (no one under 25 can replace Hawkins) but for context Neale has 2 games against opposition who put up a fight in his first year.

Hawkins got 9 games in his first year for 12 goals, but if you break it down Hawkins only kicked goals in 4 games (2x 4, 1x 3, 1x 1) and they were against s**t teams we belted.
Might have seen more of what Neale can do if he got games against teams like North, Saints, Suns, Eagles rather than Port for example.

I don't think we will ever see a better FF in that hulking nature like TomaHawk. His size is of genetic freak levels. He rag dolls most of them, but his skill levels are top notch. If he was playing in 1980s, he would've kicked 1500 goals, lol. Well maybe not that much, but 1200 goals is maybe not out of the question tbh.

 

[doctor_evil]

I think they're saying rich get richer. Rich people don't need more money. Neither do we need players outside the b22.

See thats the problem. Other clubs focussing on b22 instead b30.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I disagree, because Pick 7 is the one chance we have to get a really special player in through the draft (but no pressure!). If we got top-ten picks in most years, then I'd agree with you, but in this case I think we need to pick the best player rather than one that fits our team.

You can generally get good tall defenders late in the first round (Taylor, De Koning), through non-conventional means (Blicavs, McCartin), through low-cost trade (Aliir), or converting a tall forward (Liam Jones, Ratugolea).

I dont disagree at all but theres a live chance busslinger is the best player avail at 7 anyway.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Larry Donohue found the article - was from August, and was just one of those 'leading in the race' articles.

Most recent Herald Sun Best 23 had him as already in our side, so the thinking has changed a fair bit now since then, about where he'll land. Brisbane is still the other one that's possible, but right now, he probably still hasn't made his mind up yet (even if everyone is already acting like he has)

Time will tell I guess

 

[Larry Donohue]

Hope so... I don't think he'd get a game with us TBH.

Maybe true but he has some skill and speed to burn

 

[Stokey]

And a lot will depend on how we tweak our game plan to keep ahead, as our 2022 tactics will be copied.

It will be copied but it is based on gut running as much as tactics. You can't just tweak your game for that. You need to already have the right gut runners in your team. You need to have confidence that you can keep rotating players, put players through mini-pre-seasons, keep players fresh without sacrificing wins.

I migt be wrong but it's going to be hard to immediately copy.

 

[And_ROOS]

I don't think we will ever see a better FF in that hulking nature like TomaHawk. His size is of genetic freak levels. He rag dolls most of them, but his skill levels are top notch. If he was playing in 1980s, he would've kicked 1500 goals, lol. Well maybe not that much, but 1200 goals is maybe not out of the question tbh.

I don't think Hawkins will truly get the league recognition he deserves until he retires. But if he keeps playing the way he is, and he plays til 37 or 38, because honestly I can't see the drop off happening its all up to if he wants to keep going, he will set games records and probably get another flag in the next 3 years and he will be in the AFL HOF as a legend with Joel in 15 years time.