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Two Planks said:
Only guessing, but I would suggest it's about how many years you are listed and not how many years you participated
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I know his name was still on our website, but was he still actually on the playing list after he decided to pull out from the 2022 season or was he actually removed as a player & thus hasn't had a year on a playing list?

He's the one who terminated the interest, so were we able to then terminate his contract but say we'd chat to him again after the 2022 season to see where he was at
 
Shadow89 said:
The announcement of Oisin being a likely pick up 12 months after he was goneski, seems like a nice time to make my first post in a while - as I was really so stoked about this kid last year :)

On analysis as a whole, re-signing Sammy makes our trade period and our haul that much better, as we are literally only using 2 live picks in the ND.

For mine, this is basically an example of how things could turn out once all is said and done:

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OUT: C. Pick 18, 38, Future 2nd (32-36ish) 48 (useless), Pick 55 (useless), Future 3rd (50-54 useless), Future 4th (Pick 68-72 useless) and C. Stephens

So picks 18, 38 and 32-36ish in 2023 draft as picks of worth given up + Cooper Stephens.

IN: Pick 7 (Clark/Buss/McKenzie etc.), Bowes, Bruhn, O. Henry

+

Pick 58 (Lemmey/Van Es/Northam/Richards/Hagan etc.)
Cat A Rook (O. Riccardi)
Cat A Rook (Northam/Hagan maybe even a local like Chalcraft etc.)
Cat B Rook (Clohesy)
Cat B Rook (Mullin)

So we lose 18, 38, 32ish and Coop...for Jhye Clark, Bowes, O. Henry, Bruhn, and then also add Clohesy, Oscar, Mullin and a couple of late smokeys like Northam, Richards or Hagan...it's absolutely incredible how good this trade/draft period could end up! Might even trade 64 for a Future 4th instead of passing, if someone wants a late swing at someone they like.

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This then ends up giving us as an example (drafted players just examples of those in our range that we've been linked to)

RETIRED/DELISTED/TRADED

Joel Selwood
Luke Dahlhaus
Shaun Higgins
Cooper Stephens
Francis Evans
Quinton Narkle
Nick Stevens
Paul Tsapatolis
Zane Williams

TRADED IN/DRAFTED

Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Ollie Henry
Jhye Clark
Jed Hagan
Olivier Northam
Ted Clohesy
Oscar Riccardi
Oisin Mullin

Incredibly, even while losing Sel and Coop, our squad actually looks like it could be much stronger coming out of this trade/draft period - rather than going backwards. Phenomenal effort from all involved. God I love this club :hearteyes:
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Thanks for doing the hard work of stacking it all up. great start to the day to read something so positive.

To be honest I'd been a bit sad about that future second because some of those picks roughly 25-35 are where some very good players have come from. But when you set it against the total of what has come in, then it has the potential to be a 2016 type haul which (notwithstanding the fossils) was so important for the premiership. So I feel a lot better about the shape of our list and picks for next year. Ta.

My gloom had come from going back to some projections I did a few years ago [sadly, I keep list management spreadsheets] and felt we were in serious trouble for 2023/2024. Now it's all looking incredibly promising - and off the back of the premiership. Seems to be a quite brilliant counter-cycle logic at play: Demons with with the youngest ever team so everyone goes yoof while Cats are quietly accumulating veterans; having shown a team on walking frames can destroy a bloody good team (which we all thought the Swans were, until the GF) suddenly the Cats go young in the trade period. It shows a strategic and tactical imagination that is just so impressive.

Apart from list management, it's an incredible effort across footy department management, general admin, and the playing and coaching group, including dramatically improved medical and development. And it seems like there has been a serious investment of time and thought into the women's program as well, with some major changes having significant effect ... roll on this decade!

Only query I would have is locking in Clark ... is that your assessment of the likely, or your preference? I ask because I just wonder whether, given all the Pies ties, something might happen that somehow gives us two top 20 picks instead. I would love an elite midfielder, but just think one might be available a bit later ... all depends I guess how much confidence the Cats have in their sometimes contrarian assessments of the draftees.
 
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cats_09 said:
I know his name was still on our website, but was he still actually on the playing list after he decided to pull out from the 2022 season or was he actually removed as a player & thus hasn't had a year on a playing list?

He's the one who terminated the interest, so were we able to then terminate his contract but say we'd chat to him again after the 2022 season to see where he was at
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No.
 
cats_09 said:
I know his name was still on our website, but was he still actually on the playing list after he decided to pull out from the 2022 season or was he actually removed as a player & thus hasn't had a year on a playing list?

He's the one who terminated the interest, so were we able to then terminate his contract but say we'd chat to him again after the 2022 season to see where he was at
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You pose some good questions.

I guess the most important thing is to get confirmation he is actually coming (or in talks about coming) and then actually makes the flight over for preseason.

Hopefully the latest story about him isn't a beatup and we can worry about the minor details down the track.
 

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Shadow89 said:
The announcement of Oisin being a likely pick up 12 months after he was goneski, seems like a nice time to make my first post in a while - as I was really so stoked about this kid last year :)

On analysis as a whole, re-signing Sammy makes our trade period and our haul that much better, as we are literally only using 2 live picks in the ND.

For mine, this is basically an example of how things could turn out once all is said and done:

*********************************************************

OUT: C. Pick 18, 38, Future 2nd (32-36ish) 48 (useless), Pick 55 (useless), Future 3rd (50-54 useless), Future 4th (Pick 68-72 useless) and C. Stephens

So picks 18, 38 and 32-36ish in 2023 draft as picks of worth given up + Cooper Stephens.

IN: Pick 7 (Clark/Buss/McKenzie etc.), Bowes, Bruhn, O. Henry

+

Pick 58 (Lemmey/Van Es/Northam/Richards/Hagan etc.)
Cat A Rook (O. Riccardi)
Cat A Rook (Northam/Hagan maybe even a local like Chalcraft etc.)
Cat B Rook (Clohesy)
Cat B Rook (Mullin)

So we lose 18, 38, 32ish and Coop...for Jhye Clark, Bowes, O. Henry, Bruhn, and then also add Clohesy, Oscar, Mullin and a couple of late smokeys like Northam, Richards or Hagan...it's absolutely incredible how good this trade/draft period could end up! Might even trade 64 for a Future 4th instead of passing, if someone wants a late swing at someone they like.

*******************************************************

This then ends up giving us as an example (drafted players just examples of those in our range that we've been linked to)

RETIRED/DELISTED/TRADED

Joel Selwood
Luke Dahlhaus
Shaun Higgins
Cooper Stephens
Francis Evans
Quinton Narkle
Nick Stevens
Paul Tsapatolis
Zane Williams

TRADED IN/DRAFTED

Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Ollie Henry
Jhye Clark
Jed Hagan
Olivier Northam
Ted Clohesy
Oscar Riccardi
Oisin Mullin

Incredibly, even while losing Sel and Coop, our squad actually looks like it could be much stronger coming out of this trade/draft period - rather than going backwards. Phenomenal effort from all involved. God I love this club :hearteyes:
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And what has really crept up on me is the amount of change in the list that has happened over past 2 years. I expect 10 new players this year (even if one is SPP or mid season) on top of I think 8 new faces last year (5 drafted plus Dempsey as rookie plus Stengle and Celglar).

So that is 18 new in 2 years (a whopping 40% of the list changed - whilst winning a flag and decent change of back to back). I expect next year they will change at least 6 (although one my be ceglar recycled) so we would have changed over 50% in 3 years.

Of course what we don’t know is whether they have got the changes right but certainly can’t be accused of just milking a list without looking to the future
 
cats_09 said:
I know his name was still on our website, but was he still actually on the playing list after he decided to pull out from the 2022 season or was he actually removed as a player & thus hasn't had a year on a playing list?

He's the one who terminated the interest, so were we able to then terminate his contract but say we'd chat to him again after the 2022 season to see where he was at
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I imagine this would be a fairly easy issue to take to the AFL to resolve given he did not step foot in Australia through all of 2022. Regardless, with all the expected retirements over the next two years, moving him to senior list a year earlier (assuming we wish to retain him) would not be too challenging.
 
Johnny Cattery said:
Thanks for doing the hard work of stacking it all up. great start to the day to read something so positive.

To be honest I'd been a bit sad about that future second because some of those picks roughly 25-35 are where some very good players have come from. But when you set it against the total of what has come in, then it has the potential to be a 2016 type haul which (notwithstanding the fossils) was so important for the premiership. So I feel a lot better about the shape of our list and picks for next year. Ta.

My gloom had come from going back to some projections I did a few years ago [sadly, I keep list management spreadsheets] and felt we were in serious trouble for 2023/2024. Now it's all looking incredibly promising - and off the back of the premiership. Seems to be a quite brilliant counter-cycle logic at play: Demons with with the youngest ever team so everyone goes yoof while Cats are quietly accumulating veterans; having shown a team on walking frames can destroy a bloody good team (which we all thought the Swans were, until the GF) suddenly the Cats go young in the trade period. It shows a strategic and tactical imagination that is just so impressive.

Apart from list management, it's an incredible effort across footy department management, general admin, and the playing and coaching group, including dramatically improved medical and development. And it seems like there has been a serious investment of time and thought into the women's program as well, with some major changes having significant effect ... roll on this decade!

Only query I would have is locking in Clark ... is that your assessment of the likely, or your preference? I ask because I just wonder whether, given all the Pies ties, something might happen that somehow gives us two top 20 picks instead. I would love an elite midfielder, but just think one might be available a bit later ... all depends I guess how much confidence the Cats have in their sometimes contrarian assessments of the draftees.
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No worries mate, was a pleasure :)

Honestly, I'm right there with ya when it came to the whole 'doom and gloom' prior to this season. We looked like we were going off the same cliff that the Hawks and Eagles had before us, and I saw no signs to the contrary that this was going to change. Fast forward to now and we have a flag, incredible depth and I feel like we're right back in 2016 again. It's actually remarkable how we keep doing this. I have no doubt we'll have a crack at TDK come end of next year as well - meaning the wheel just keeps turning and we just do not stay down for long.

Re: the Future 2nd, my thought process with that all along, was that we were going to give that up for Bowes originally (or so we all thought), and that the Future 3rd would have gone to Brisbane instead as part of the pick package. Because we got Bowes for the Future 3rd, it worked out the exact same, just via different channels.

Clark is an interesting one, as he has a really good head on his shoulders, and is probably the closest thing to a 'lock' in this draft that you can get. Doesn't matter if he goes to GC, WA, us or a Melbourne club, I reckon he stays put and just puts in the hard yards - he's just that sort of guy. He's probably a bit more Collingwood than Geelong when it comes to family, but given he has literally played his entire professional underage career with the Falcons, I daresay he won't be disappointed if he gets to link up with us and play alongside some of his old underage teammates and friends - like Bruhn and Ollie.

Clark was my pipe dream at the start of last year, given his sheer will to win like a certain just retired captain of ours...but I never thought in a million years we'd have a chance of snaring him AND win the flag. I thought we might have a down year and trade up with a Future 1st...but both...seems like Twilight Zone fan fiction, haha. People also underrate just how good of a user of the ball he is - especially under pressure - and how good a leap he has for someone who only measures 181 cm.

With all this said, I've been consistent in that my actual player I want the most (by a bees dick), is Cam Mackenzie. Love Jhye, but Cam reminds me of Guth and uses it so well on both sides of his body, that I think he could be absolutely elite. Was very happy to hear we were linked to him this week, and wouldn't surprise me to see us select him either given all his fantastic traits. I definitely will be happy with either of these kids though, and am fascinated to see which way we go (Busslinger is the other who I'd be fine with, but who is 3rd on my list, with Humphrey and then Hewett rounding out my Top 5 for varying reasons).

Who knows what'll happen, but at least we'll have an answer soon one way or the other. Only 16 more days to go now!!
 
foxdog50 said:
Doubt it... from reports with covid restrictions there was no certain on him, which is why he would of waited 12 months
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What I'm saying is true is that Geelong FC is making efforts to get him over, again. Nothing more. Will it happen? Who knows?
 
CHAWKTS said:
And what has really crept up on me is the amount of change in the list that has happened over past 2 years. I expect 10 new players this year (even if one is SPP or mid season) on top of I think 8 new faces last year (5 drafted plus Dempsey as rookie plus Stengle and Celglar).

So that is 18 new in 2 years (a whopping 40% of the list changed - whilst winning a flag and decent change of back to back). I expect next year they will change at least 6 (although one my be ceglar recycled) so we would have changed over 50% in 3 years.

Of course what we don’t know is whether they have got the changes right but certainly can’t be accused of just milking a list without looking to the future
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Absolutely spot on mate!

I did a deep dive before on our list, and our depth isn't just so much stronger on projection, but it's also in a much more balanced state - where there's very few who'll be in the reserves who will be grumpy about getting a senior game, as they've been injured/still developing/know they'll get their shot in the coming years but won't want to leave because of lack of opportunity:

Round 1, 2023 (5 man interchange as expected)

B: Bews, SDK, J. Henry
HB. Stewart, Kolo, Zuthrie
C: Holmes, Blicavs, Bowes
FO: Stanley, C. Guthrie, Danger
HF: Miers, S. Neale, Close
F: Rohan, J. Cameron, Stengle
INT: Duncan, T. Atkins, Tuohy, I. Smith, O'Connor

EMG: Parfitt, Menegola, Ratugolea, Bruhn

Depth -

Ceglar
O. Henry
S. Simpson
Dempsey
Willis
Kroeger
Knevitt
Whyte
Conway
Pick 7
Pick 58
Cat A Rook
Cat A Rook
Cat B Rook
Cat B Rook

Injured - Hawkins

**************

Only Simpson, Ollie Henry and Ceglar should be demanding games from the depth list, while all the others will be developing. That gives us 31 players competing for 23 spots - which given resting, injuries etc. means we can get a lot of games into those 31 players while developing the others for the future. It's a very good spot to be in moving forward, IMO :)
 
Kitcat said:
Or even Polish.
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*Brian Sierakowski
*David Sierakowski
*David Wojcinski
*Justin Koschitzke
*Nick Malceski
*Phil Krakouer
*Jim Krakouer-Great-Grand Father was born & bred in the town of Krakow- Poland, moved to England then arrived on the first fleet, origin of surname is taken from the polish town of Krakow-Source-The Book ---Brother Boys...
*Mark Majerczak-17 VFL Games for Carlton 1987-1991
*Jason Porplyzia
 
Shadow89 said:
The announcement of Oisin being a likely pick up 12 months after he was goneski, seems like a nice time to make my first post in a while - as I was really so stoked about this kid last year :)

On analysis as a whole, re-signing Sammy makes our trade period and our haul that much better, as we are literally only using 2 live picks in the ND.

For mine, this is basically an example of how things could turn out once all is said and done:

*********************************************************

OUT: C. Pick 18, 38, Future 2nd (32-36ish) 48 (useless), Pick 55 (useless), Future 3rd (50-54 useless), Future 4th (Pick 68-72 useless) and C. Stephens

So picks 18, 38 and 32-36ish in 2023 draft as picks of worth given up + Cooper Stephens.

IN: Pick 7 (Clark/Buss/McKenzie etc.), Bowes, Bruhn, O. Henry

+

Pick 58 (Lemmey/Van Es/Northam/Richards/Hagan etc.)
Cat A Rook (O. Riccardi)
Cat A Rook (Northam/Hagan maybe even a local like Chalcraft etc.)
Cat B Rook (Clohesy)
Cat B Rook (Mullin)

So we lose 18, 38, 32ish and Coop...for Jhye Clark, Bowes, O. Henry, Bruhn, and then also add Clohesy, Oscar, Mullin and a couple of late smokeys like Northam, Richards or Hagan...it's absolutely incredible how good this trade/draft period could end up! Might even trade 64 for a Future 4th instead of passing, if someone wants a late swing at someone they like.

*******************************************************

This then ends up giving us as an example (drafted players just examples of those in our range that we've been linked to)

RETIRED/DELISTED/TRADED

Joel Selwood
Luke Dahlhaus
Shaun Higgins
Cooper Stephens
Francis Evans
Quinton Narkle
Nick Stevens
Paul Tsapatolis
Zane Williams

TRADED IN/DRAFTED

Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Ollie Henry
Jhye Clark
Jed Hagan
Olivier Northam
Ted Clohesy
Oscar Riccardi
Oisin Mullin

Incredibly, even while losing Sel and Coop, our squad actually looks like it could be much stronger coming out of this trade/draft period - rather than going backwards. Phenomenal effort from all involved. God I love this club :hearteyes:
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Great post Shadow89
I note you have Jed Hagan listed - very astute.
He’s a ripper and would probably go top
10 if he was taller than 177cm- great user , super competitor and just keeps finding the football.
With only 50 or so likely to be drafted? he could be a great rookie pick.
 

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CHAWKTS said:
And what has really crept up on me is the amount of change in the list that has happened over past 2 years. I expect 10 new players this year (even if one is SPP or mid season) on top of I think 8 new faces last year (5 drafted plus Dempsey as rookie plus Stengle and Celglar).

So that is 18 new in 2 years (a whopping 40% of the list changed - whilst winning a flag and decent change of back to back). I expect next year they will change at least 6 (although one my be ceglar recycled) so we would have changed over 50% in 3 years.

Of course what we don’t know is whether they have got the changes right but certainly can’t be accused of just milking a list without looking to the future
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We must be causing some consternation in opposition strategy meetings 😁

First of all we defy gravity by staying top 4 virtually every year in a competition set up to deny that happening.
Next we abolish line coaches , appoint a ball movement coach supported with a new crop of assistants.

Then , in a truly taking the piss and mess with your heads , we win the Flag with the OLDEST TEAM ever put on the field😁
That’s without the other incredible tactical moves and methods we employed to create a role based team with incredible versatility and without weakness.

What’s more exciting is I think we are far from finished and will go up a gear in 2023 under Chris Belichick Scott 👍👍
 
Shadow89 said:
No worries mate, was a pleasure :)

Honestly, I'm right there with ya when it came to the whole 'doom and gloom' prior to this season. We looked like we were going off the same cliff that the Hawks and Eagles had before us, and I saw no signs to the contrary that this was going to change. Fast forward to now and we have a flag, incredible depth and I feel like we're right back in 2016 again. It's actually remarkable how we keep doing this. I have no doubt we'll have a crack at TDK come end of next year as well - meaning the wheel just keeps turning and we just do not stay down for long.

Re: the Future 2nd, my thought process with that all along, was that we were going to give that up for Bowes originally (or so we all thought), and that the Future 3rd would have gone to Brisbane instead as part of the pick package. Because we got Bowes for the Future 3rd, it worked out the exact same, just via different channels.


With all this said, I've been consistent in that my actual player I want the most (by a bees dick), is Cam Mackenzie. Love Jhye, but Cam reminds me of Guth and uses it so well on both sides of his body, that I think he could be absolutely elite. Was very happy to hear we were linked to him this week, and wouldn't surprise me to see us select him either given all his fantastic traits. I definitely will be happy with either of these kids though, and am fascinated to see which way we go (Busslinger is the other who I'd be fine with, but who is 3rd on my list, with Humphrey and then Hewett rounding out my Top 5 for varying reasons).

Who knows what'll happen, but at least we'll have an answer soon one way or the other. Only 16 more days to go now!!
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That's an astute piece of thinking on the Future second ... makes sense.

And like your reasoning on Clark, although since we know that Wells likes late improvement the fact that he was a draft lock so far out makes him less likely. Thank you for taking the trouble to set both things out in answer to my questions.

My favourite is Elijah Hollands because I love a player who can do things others can't; when they can do it on both sides of their body, and have a fantastic head on their shoulders, then that makes them pretty damn tempting. But I will pay more attention to McKenzie. Even if he sometimes begs a bit too hard for the ball during games, I do think Cam Guthrie is very, very badly under-rated.
 
tragicforces said:
Reuben Ginbey Interview

Ginbey may be a serious chance to land at Geelong if we miss out on Jhye Clark. In the above youtube video Ginbey mentions that West Coast, St Kilda and Geelong are the 3 clubs that have spoken to him the most. Strong contested 189cm inside mid who can also play in defence. Late bloomer with plenty more upside.
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Remonds me of Jack Crisp in the highlights. Be stoked with a player of his quality and durability.
 

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I’ll believe Mullin when I see him in Australia with a Geelong training jumper on.

On a seperate note it’s one of those drafts where youre not going to be unhappy with any of the top 10. You can throw a blanket over pretty much all of them. I can’t see a scenario with anybody being bitterly disappointed with our pick which is rare
 
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