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The hype around Allan, I doubt he would get past pick 10. It's either 7 or don't get him. If Clark isn't there, I would be happy to take him.
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The hype around Allan, I doubt he would get past pick 10. It's either 7 or don't get him. If Clark isn't there, I would be happy to take him.
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Internet hype doesn't necessarily equate to recruiter hype
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Not many one v one there... a lot of loose man/floating defender intercepts there.
But he is a stick at the moment so that might have a bit to do with it.
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But, is it just internet hype?
Or is it the rumblings or murmurs from scouting/recruiters/list management staff that has been posted or reposted by media pundits??
Interesting to see where/how it's all come about.
That’s my gut feel too
Well if we go to the mall and ask Santa really nicely, he might wrap up a power forward and leave one under the Christmas Tree
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Couldn't read the article but fromt the hashtags in the post script it looks like we went from having one on their list to three in one trade period
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Can't see Tsatas getting past the Hawks if he makes it that far, IMO...but if he does, don't think we'd pass him up. Those are the I reckon we'd be looking at too, along with Buss. Maybe even Hewett as well.
For posterity, my thought process for the first round has been:
1. Aaron Cadman (GWS)
2. Will Ashcroft (Brisbane - matched North bid)
3. Harry Sheezel (North)
4. George Wardlaw (North)
5. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon)
6. Bailey Humphrey (GC)
7. Jhye Clark (Hawthorn)
8. Cam McKenzie/Reuben Ginbey/Jedd Busslinger/Ed Allan (Geelong)
9. Reuben Ginbey/Mattaes Phillipou/Ed Allan (WC)
10. Mattaes Phillipou/Jedd Busslinger/Matt Jefferson (St Kilda)
11. Ed Allan/Jedd Busslinger/Olly Hollands (Carlton)
12. Jedd Busslinger/Olly Hollands/Lewis Hayes/Jaspa Fletcher bid (Bulldogs)
13. Olly Hollands (Gold Coast trade Future 1st with West Coast to snare Hollands now that he's made it past Carlton/it would get eaten up by bids anyway for Walter next year)
14. Matt Jefferson
15. Jaspa Fletcher (Brisbane - matched Sydney bid)
16. Elijah Hewett (Sydney)
17. Olli Hotton (GWS)
18. Lewis Hayes/Isaac Keeler/Harry Barnett (Collingwood)
19. Alwyn Davey Jnr. (Essendon - matched Sydney bid)
20. Brayden George (Sydney)
21. Jacob Konstanty/Charlie Clarke (GWS)
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Essentially, if Tsatas makes it past Essendon's first pick and they go with Phillipou, then I think we're a good chance to pick Clark as Hawks would have Tsatas rated higher than Clark on their board, IMO. If they pick Tsatas, then Clark is pretty much gone and we'll most likely go with next best available or reach for someone like Allan or Buss on projected talent scope.
Fascinating draft this year, as it's so unclear who goes where after the first 4 picks - such is the even spread of talent after those 4. Real interesting picks will be from 5 to 13, as any of those players could go anywhere. A good example is WC tactically picking Allan so Carlton can't, and then leaving Ginbey on the board, where Saints, Dogs may pass him over, so he then makes it to their Pick 13...and GC then try and trade with Sydney instead to trade up for Hollands.
Who knows, but it's definitely going to be worth watching that first night. Second night is pretty 'meh', but the first night and even rookie draft, could be quite interesting
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I agree Allan has "Wells Special" written all over him + he is a taller mid that I think we may look at to break away from the same/same smaller guys we have going forward (Bruhn, Parf, Atkins, Willis etc).
All that matters is what the player ends up being.
We mostly all rate players on what public opinion is about them (give or take a little).
People at the time might have said Bont wasn't worth #4 or Pendles #5... Because the jist was that others players were rated higher... But clearly they were worth every bit of it and more.
Anyway... All that matters is the end result/what the player achieves and we all will have no proof of what it will be directly after that draft when we all sit back and think I'm happy with this or I'm unhappy with that.
It's definitely nice at the time to think you got a bargain... but that's all mental.
I much prefer to look back over time and think "we made a good call"... no matter what the initial feelings are on draft night.
People that say "this will be good" or "I'll be happy with" are working on emotions mostly... And it means zero in the long term.
As per my usual line... Only time will tell, and I hope we make a good call.
P.S Looking at Allan's small amount of video... It seems he hasn't learnt to use his exceptional speed/size as yet... So if he is getting it 25 times a game (after a big injury in the Colts) without utilizing his massive advantages... I can see that "IF" he starts using them over time that he will only get better.
It took until this year before Holmes started to use his pace and it become very noticeable compared to last year when he had the same pace but never unleashed it.
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Cal Twomey did his latest rating and info.
Had us linked specifically to Tsatas, Clark, Ginbey, Allan, MacKenzie & Humphrey. The only ones in that “group” not linked were Busslinger, Phillipou and Hollands.
I’d say the cats will make a bit of noise this week. Nothing to lose trying to throw a few furphies out there to get the player we actually want. It would also be awesome to lure WCE or StK into sliding up 1 or two picks to grab say an Allan, Humphrey or Ginbey in return for an extra 2nd round pick next year like Port did with Sinn last year and still getting a player we want.
I worry next year given I really think we will turnover 8-10 players
Had us linked specifically to Tsatas, Clark, Ginbey, Allan, MacKenzie & Humphrey. The only ones in that “group” not linked were Busslinger, Phillipou and Hollands.
I’d say the cats will make a bit of noise this week. Nothing to lose trying to throw a few furphies out there to get the player we actually want. It would also be awesome to lure WCE or StK into sliding up 1 or two picks to grab say an Allan, Humphrey or Ginbey in return for an extra 2nd round pick next year like Port did with Sinn last year and still getting a player we want.
I worry next year given I really think we will turnover 8-10 players
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I'm interested there is talk of us interviewing prospects like Humphrey ... sounds like we think that who we wanted will be gone ... or that some smoke haze is being generated? Assuming Wardlaw, Sheezel and Cadman are nailed down ...
Although the focus for the Cats has been on what Hawthorn will do, it's actually what Essendon and Gold Coast do that might shape our thinking. If Tsatas goes to the Bombers it seems less likely that Humphrey or Clark will get to us; but if the Bombers take Phillipou, then Hawthorn might prefer Tsatas and the Gold Coast can choose between Ginbey, Clark and Humphrey, leaving two of those for our pick.
If it's true that Sydney are very, very keen on Humphrey and he is still there at our pick but Clark has gone, either to Gold Coast or Hawthorn, I can see us trading seven to the Swans because I suspect we'd be pretty happy with two of Hewett, Allan, Jones and Busslinger, all from WA. That's assuming the Eagles take Ginbey with their first pick at 8; if he were to go to the Gold Coast, then one of Clark and Humphrey is still there and we probably won't move. But us interviewing Humphrey suggests to me that that's what we are weighing up.
Although the focus for the Cats has been on what Hawthorn will do, it's actually what Essendon and Gold Coast do that might shape our thinking. If Tsatas goes to the Bombers it seems less likely that Humphrey or Clark will get to us; but if the Bombers take Phillipou, then Hawthorn might prefer Tsatas and the Gold Coast can choose between Ginbey, Clark and Humphrey, leaving two of those for our pick.
If it's true that Sydney are very, very keen on Humphrey and he is still there at our pick but Clark has gone, either to Gold Coast or Hawthorn, I can see us trading seven to the Swans because I suspect we'd be pretty happy with two of Hewett, Allan, Jones and Busslinger, all from WA. That's assuming the Eagles take Ginbey with their first pick at 8; if he were to go to the Gold Coast, then one of Clark and Humphrey is still there and we probably won't move. But us interviewing Humphrey suggests to me that that's what we are weighing up.
I do like the claims already that next year is a “super draft”. This time last year this year was a super draft stacked specifically with talls.
Now it lacks depth with almost no talls.
You are correct of course .... but id imagine its like a farmer predicting a bumper crop. ..has more field planted, more crop in the ground when disaster strikes .
It seem most of the talls that were predicted to be good this year have failed to come on. Norham for one example...but Scully and Leemey. .. my bet there are others. Add that some many have been the victims the covid years... its understandable.
My thinking is .. it is so much about prediction and IF the the trend of the players continue next year will be a super draft. The one thing I will is it may be the first time for 3 years or so it looks like the #1 pick will not already be aligned to a club
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I think Mackie is almost a different era. 20 years ago... and the study of kids now is far more focused. However Hayes could be another who has been affected by the lack of footy... maybe in two normal years he would have been earlier.
Ok so here's my bolter: Steely Green.
... had the best WAFL numbers of any draft prospect and played round one rather than being chucked in late to meet the draft requirements; loves the contest; nice kick off both feet; captained WA juniors. Do we need him? No. Is the name irresistible? Yes. Plus: anyone who survives being struck by lightning and subsequently becomes a sparkie has a really nice sense of humour.
Im not sure those highlights are the best advocate for him. Tough wet conditions for a lot of them but if I were to judge him on them , there were not a lot of 1o1's, not a lot clunks , several chest marks ... and a bit thickening up to do.
He would 2025 before id expect to see him which probably would fit our needs, but having two 200 cm backman, id query that. Its not a setup we see often. If we visualise Sam Dek playing elsewhere eventually then of course then should not stop us.
How to gauge him against mids or or role is a difficult talent. The rarity of KPB probably sees him go earlier than I would pick him. ..... I was on the Sam dek train from the champs on. ... and he was talked about as mid 20's... and i wondered if we went early on him. Now it looks like a genius move... so you will rightly have dibs if we do select him and he becomes the same sort of player.
I just wonder what Northam might have been like if the had played him at CHB full time. He is a shorter ruck who rucked and comepted and body banged against taller opponents. His kicking is clunky..and needs some work but Id say he would be a contested mark behind the ball.
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Yeah I thought on much the same lines.
I think would be a great project player for us TBH.
He can jump, run and has a bit of ability plus he's 6'5" which is a nice base to build from i'd say.
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I see no Falcons players made the top 30 Australian academy squad for next year. Anyone no of any bottom ages from this year to look out for.
even this kid ... seems like he contests the ball more....and he seems better balanced than Northam. I think there are a few that we might be able to nab with our late pick..
I go by the u18 champs, and i found it hard to watch this year think i went to sleep in 2 matches..That's why i so don't care this year
Can't see Tsatas getting past the Hawks if he makes it that far, IMO...but if he does, don't think we'd pass him up. Those are the I reckon we'd be looking at too, along with Buss. Maybe even Hewett as well.
For posterity, my thought process for the first round has been:
1. Aaron Cadman (GWS)
2. Will Ashcroft (Brisbane - matched North bid)
3. Harry Sheezel (North)
4. George Wardlaw (North)
5. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon)
6. Bailey Humphrey (GC)
7. Jhye Clark (Hawthorn)
8. Cam McKenzie/Reuben Ginbey/Jedd Busslinger/Ed Allan (Geelong)
9. Reuben Ginbey/Mattaes Phillipou/Ed Allan (WC)
10. Mattaes Phillipou/Jedd Busslinger/Matt Jefferson (St Kilda)
11. Ed Allan/Jedd Busslinger/Olly Hollands (Carlton)
12. Jedd Busslinger/Olly Hollands/Lewis Hayes/Jaspa Fletcher bid (Bulldogs)
13. Olly Hollands (Gold Coast trade Future 1st with West Coast to snare Hollands now that he's made it past Carlton/it would get eaten up by bids anyway for Walter next year)
14. Matt Jefferson
15. Jaspa Fletcher (Brisbane - matched Sydney bid)
16. Elijah Hewett (Sydney)
17. Olli Hotton (GWS)
18. Lewis Hayes/Isaac Keeler/Harry Barnett (Collingwood)
19. Alwyn Davey Jnr. (Essendon - matched Sydney bid)
20. Brayden George (Sydney)
21. Jacob Konstanty/Charlie Clarke (GWS)
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Essentially, if Tsatas makes it past Essendon's first pick and they go with Phillipou, then I think we're a good chance to pick Clark as Hawks would have Tsatas rated higher than Clark on their board, IMO. If they pick Tsatas, then Clark is pretty much gone and we'll most likely go with next best available or reach for someone like Allan or Buss on projected talent scope.
Fascinating draft this year, as it's so unclear who goes where after the first 4 picks - such is the even spread of talent after those 4. Real interesting picks will be from 5 to 13, as any of those players could go anywhere. A good example is WC tactically picking Allan so Carlton can't, and then leaving Ginbey on the board, where Saints, Dogs may pass him over, so he then makes it to their Pick 13...and GC then try and trade with Sydney instead to trade up for Hollands.
Who knows, but it's definitely going to be worth watching that first night. Second night is pretty 'meh', but the first night and even rookie draft, could be quite interesting
I don’t think Busslinger is in our plans. Seems people made that link through the Selwood connection, but Twomey has released his November rankings and he has us connected to a lot of prospects, Buss not one of them.
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I wouldn't put my house on what Cal thinks a week out... he has moved more times than a gypsy caravan across Europe throughout the year.
I think the last 24 hours will tell us more TBH.
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