Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Duncan is out of gas.

They'll need to nurse him through the next 12 months as he's got degenerative knee problems. Cannot run both ways and it was obvious over the back half of this season that he just can't keep up with younger pups who burn him for speed. It's a young mans game and the end has come quickly. Still a very good user of the footy and obviously has "smarts" but Geelong are faced with a problem on how to use him (and a few others) moving into next season.

He'd make for a good sub.

 

[Mr Meow]

Duncan is out of gas.

They'll need to nurse him through the next 12 months as he's got degenerative knee problems. Cannot run both ways and it was obvious over the back half of this season that he just can't keep up with younger pups who burn him for speed. It's a young mans game and the end has come quickly. Still a very good user of the footy and obviously has "smarts" but Geelong are faced with a problem on how to use him (and a few others) moving into next season.

This part, unlike the other stuff people have been picking at, is actually accurate. There are some lightning speed, prolific youngsters roaming the wings in the AFL at the moment. Between Tuohy, Smith and Duncan that defensive spread and reactivity suffered - but then even "prime movers" were being pretty sloppy in that regard. So it is something that I think the team lifting in will allow us to exploit Duncan's strengths and cover weaknesses. Our fitness level this season wasn't sufficient to do it for 3 of them. A bit of game time management (ala Dangerfield) wouldn't go astray for Duncan next year. The last 5 weeks he absolutely cooked his goose trying to drag us into finals, with not nearly enough help from the sub-30s.

 

[Strange Cat]

He'd make for a good sub.

We need to keep a few of the old guys around for backup and experience ..Menegola will go as will Celgar and 2E and Smith

Duncan would be a good player for his experience and leadership for next year

 

[Jumping Jack]

I think those desperate for us to draft a ball running midfielder with our first pick are targetting the problem of 2 years ago.

Replacing Danger and Selwood was always going to be a challenge. But we've now got Bruhn, Holmes, Clark, Knevitt and Dempsey who are likely to be mids long term and all look like they'll make it.

If we can get a gun ready made mid (Parish or Smith) for next year great. And if the best player available at our pick happens to be a mid that's fine. But we don't need to target that area when we look well stocked for 3 years time already.

Key position players look a much bigger need. SDK and Jack Henry are the only 2 I'm convinced about long term. I guess Olly Henry too but he's not really a key position size (arguably nor is Jack).

The way I see it, we'll be relying heavily on the fast tracked development of Bruhn and Clark without bringing any midfielders in. But if those players come on nicely between now and next season, and we do happen to land a Parish / Smith / Crouch type player to fill a specific need, then I think the rest of the ground looks ok to me on paper.

There'll be decisions on what role (if any) the likes of Bews / Kolo / Duncan / Stanley play ..... but I trust the club to make the right decisions. We've not fluked the sustained success we've seen over a long period of time by not making smart calls. Mackie and Wells will know as well as anyone what we need. Midfield will be the focus ...... turnover a few list spots (Smith / Ceglar / Tuohy / Esava) and see what talent they can bring in from other clubs or via a sneaky draft pick.

And just keep in mind the calibre of players we didn't have access to for chunks of the season and I think there's still upside - and with a few gaps filled - still a well balanced list. C Guthrie / J Henry / Blicavs / Holmes all missed chunks of footy this year. Dangerfield Duncan and Hawkins were either injured / heavily managed / or had late starts.

I checked outside and the sky is not falling just yet.

 

[Mr Meow]

The way I see it, we'll be relying heavily on the fast tracked development of Bruhn and Clark without bringing any midfielders in. But if those players come on nicely between now and next season, and we do happen to land a Parish / Smith / Crouch type player to fill a specific need, then I think the rest of the ground looks ok to me on paper.

There'll be decisions on what role (if any) the likes of Bews / Kolo / Duncan / Stanley play ..... but I trust the club to make the right decisions. We've not fluked the sustained success we've seen over a long period of time by not making smart calls. Mackie and Wells will know as well as anyone what we need. Midfield will be the focus ...... turnover a few list spots (Smith / Ceglar / Tuohy / Esava) and see what talent they can bring in from other clubs or via a sneaky draft pick.

And just keep in mind the calibre of players we didn't have access to for chunks of the season and I think there's still upside - and with a few gaps filled - still a well balanced list. C Guthrie / J Henry / Blicavs / Holmes all missed chunks of footy this year. Dangerfield Duncan and Hawkins were either injured / heavily managed / or had late starts.

I checked outside and the sky is not falling just yet.

This post should be stickied to the front page of the board.

 

[Jumping Jack]

This part, unlike the other stuff people have been picking at, is actually accurate. There are some lightning speed, prolific youngsters roaming the wings in the AFL at the moment. Between Tuohy, Smith and Duncan that defensive spread and reactivity suffered - but then even "prime movers" were being pretty sloppy in that regard. So it is something that I think the team lifting in will allow us to exploit Duncan's strengths and cover weaknesses. Our fitness level this season wasn't sufficient to do it for 3 of them. A bit of game time management (ala Dangerfield) wouldn't go astray for Duncan next year. The last 5 weeks he absolutely cooked his goose trying to drag us into finals, with not nearly enough help from the sub-30s.

Yeah I'm a big Duncan fan, but he can't play that role in the side (sweeping half back / or pushing up high half forward) if he doesn't have the leg speed. Geelong will be smart in coming up with a plan, but it's a challenge I think.

Dangerfield - will / and should spend more time forward and less midfield time

Bruhn and Clark are going to come on nicely and we just need to be able to surround them with a chopout from Danger / Guthrie /

Stanley - Still has a role but it will be interesting to see how they use him / Conway and Blicavs next season. If Conway is fit they must play him. And they will.

 

[Jeff76]

So who out of Parish and Smith would we prefer? I think we have room for 1 so I’m going with Smith, only because he gets the ladies randy.


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[catempire]

True. Sometimes there is only a clutch pencils difference between the two. Maybe just if you like the guy with confidence or dislike the guy with arrogance. ..and maybe thats just taste.

Who likes Rhubarb anyway but people do. I was watching a doco on the transition of Clay to Muhammad Ali. The way he was savage in the way he talked and put down Frazier as a Gorilla and uncle Tom etc, the way he was wrapped up in the Nation of Islam and was against Vietnam ...self confidence arrogance. Likeable. Detestable

Maybe arrogance is the hang over when you you have the confidence you can drink anyone else under the table. Just not enough failure in life to pull up before the "third bottle". Pride comeeth before the fall they say. Maybe if you knew what it was like to hit the dirt the confidence would be more measured.

You’ve highlighted the difference. Self-confidence is an inward emotion: “I can do this. I will do this.” Arrogance is an outward emotion, a need to tell other people how good you are (or think you are), regardless of merit. It is bravado. It is often an attempt to cover for self-doubt (the opposite of self-confidence). So the two are very different. I’ve never seen Danger behave in an arrogant way.

 

[Jumping Jack]

So who out of Parish and Smith would we prefer? I think we have room for 1 so I’m going with Smith, only because he gets the ladies randy.


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My 2 cents

I don't think we'll land Parish but he'd probably be the one with a few km's left on the clock, and some upside for us for a few years still?.

Smith could be a very good addition to our list but will have baggage and just seems like a bit of a loose unit. Crouch is the next one after Parish that I would focus on and I think he might come cheaper than others. Paddy Dow perhaps an option.

I've got nothing to base this on but I think we're heading into an interesting trade period. Right now there aren't too many names being thrown around. Does Dimma move a few on from the Suns list? What's the fallout at the Eagles and who comes on the market as part of their rebuild? Any players pushed out at the Giants with their widely reported cap pressures.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

So who out of Parish and Smith would we prefer? I think we have room for 1 so I’m going with Smith, only because he gets the ladies randy.


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Parish If he costs nothing in terms of draft collateral.

I wouldn't be giving pick 7/8 for either.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You’ve highlighted the difference. Self-confidence is an inward emotion: “I can do this. I will do this.” Arrogance is an outward emotion, a need to tell other people how good you are (or think you are), regardless of merit. It is bravado. It is often an attempt to cover for self-doubt (the opposite of self-confidence). So the two are very different. I’ve never seen Danger behave in an arrogant way.

Being a figjam implies he's overconfident.

 

[Hinkley29]

I mean, the main thing for me is that port just do not need a mid like parfitt. They do need sav though.

Maybe Parf would the “tax” that port have to pay for us to trade Sav out cheaply.

Ie. you (port) can have sav for an inconsequential draft pick, but the kicker is you have to take a contracted parf off our hands.

That is of course only relevant if we have soured totally on parf

It is the same situation from 14 years ago when we traded Steven king to st kilda for nothing on the proviso that they took a contracted Charlie Gardiner in the deal

 

[Footy Smarts]

Zerk Thatcher is apparently gettable. I'd be very keen on getting him. We're thin for tall defenders assuming Sav goes and he looked like he had stepped up massively early this year.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Zerk Thatcher is apparently gettable. I'd be very keen on getting him. We're thin for tall defenders assuming Sav goes and he looked like he had stepped up massively early this year.

Don't mind him tbh. Why's he want out of Essendon? (Apart from the obvious)

Has a great name too.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Zerk Thatcher is apparently gettable. I'd be very keen on getting him. We're thin for tall defenders assuming Sav goes and he looked like he had stepped up massively early this year.

Hawkins kicked 8 on him and Hogan kicked 9.

He's ordinary.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Maybe Parf would the “tax” that port have to pay for us to trade Sav out cheaply.

Ie. you (port) can have sav for an inconsequential draft pick, but the kicker is you have to take a contracted parf off our hands.

That is of course only relevant if we have soured totally on parf

It is the same situation from 14 years ago when we traded Steven king to st kilda for nothing on the proviso that they took a contracted Charlie Gardiner in the deal

Could be, but I don't know that we'd have gone that sour on Parfitt that quickly. If he stinks it up then he can rot in the 2s without issue

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Zerk Thatcher is apparently gettable. I'd be very keen on getting him. We're thin for tall defenders assuming Sav goes and he looked like he had stepped up massively early this year.

He's leading the 'Reverse Coleman' isn't he?

 

[Footy Smarts]

Hawkins kicked 8 on him and Hogan kicked 9.

He's ordinary.

He's not a big bodied key defender. At least not yet. He was the cannon fodder defender because they had nobody else playing behind a midfield getting obliterated. But he reads the play really well and is generally very good defensively except when giving up 20kgs.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Let's be honest, it would be completely on brand for our club to give up our first for Smith, and sign Parish & Doedee as FA.

It's our first time missing finals since 2015, and we all know what happened that off-season.

We don't wait around hoping for success. We go out there and do our best to create it.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

He's not a big bodied key defender. At least not yet. He was the cannon fodder defender because they had nobody else playing behind a midfield getting obliterated. But he reads the play really well and is generally very good defensively except when giving up 20kgs.

All I'll say is thank god he'll never be at Geelong.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Hawkins kicked 8 on him and Hogan kicked 9.

He's ordinary.

He wouldn't be getting those types of guys in our setup, would be?

 

[Footy Smarts]

All I'll say is thank god he'll never be at Geelong.

Yes but it seems like if you had your way there'd only be about 10 players at Geelong anyway right?

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Let's be honest, it would be completely on brand for our club to give up our first for Smith, and sign Parish & Doedee as FA.

It's our first time missing finals since 2015, and we all know what happened that off-season.

We don't wait around hoping for success. We go out there and do our best to create it.

I wouldn't be too upset about that - particularly if our first gets pushed back to 13~ or so.

A lot is made of Smith's mental space, but I can't imagine the Dogs environment is helping (in fact I'd suggest the opposite).

Best AFL club in the country for player welfare is the Geelong footy club, bar none.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Yes but it seems like if you had your way there'd only be about 10 players at Geelong anyway right?

A fraction more than that ... or they could decide they want to look like footballers and remain on the list.

 

[Footy Smarts]

A fraction more than that ... or they could decide they want to look like footballers and remain on the list.

Can I get a game? I look like a footballer. Just as long as there aren't any actual footballs involved.