Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[you pick one]

My gut feeling and it's no more than that is Max is desperate for a flag he felt robbed of in 2022 in saying that I fully support the club in the decision they made at the time they in my opinion had little choice.This season about to begin need to be a strong showing by the Cats with at least 2 finals to give us a decent chance to retain Max on the books and having him feeling he can still achieve his dream here at the Cattery or I'm thinking he's off chasseing it elsewhere.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

My gut feeling and it's no more than that is Max is desperate for a flag he felt robbed of in 2022 in saying that I fully support the club in the decision they made at the time they in my opinion had little choice.This season about to begin need to be a strong showing by the Cats with at least 2 finals to give us a decent chance to retain Max on the books and having him feeling he can still achieve his dream here at the Cattery or I'm thinking he's off chasseing it elsewhere.

Yeah there's definitely a success component of what Max would want, though I would caution him on Collingwood being that option. They're older than we are and outside of a couple of decent kids their talent pipeline looks worse. They also probably would struggle to match us for coin with Treloar and Grundy still on the books.

If I'm Holmes it's cats or else I would look at maybe the crows but that's about it. You may be able to talk me into the saints but I'm 50/50.

 

[you pick one]

Begs the question should there be a trigger point IE 50% of games played in a season by a player make him eligible for a GF medal should his team win the Cup.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Begs the question should there be a trigger point IE 50% of games played in a season by a player make him eligible for a GF medal should his team win the Cup.

I think they're should be a kind of premiers ring or something given to any player who played a game that season separate to the premiership medal

 

[you pick one]

I think they're should be a kind of premiers ring or something given to any player who played a game that season separate to the premiership medal

Yeah I like that.

 

[standupand]

I think they're should be a kind of premiers ring or something given to any player who played a game that season separate to the premiership medal

In the world cup I think all players and coaches part of the squad get a medal. Doesn't matter whether you played or not.

In all honesty, I don't really subscribe to the view that premierships count as a sort of individual accolade. You win them for your club, and everyone part of the club deserves to share equally in the success.

Plenty of champion players never played in a flag and shouldn't be seen any lesser because of it.

On the other hand, players like Isaac Smith or Martin Pike who hopped from one club to another at an opportune time.. Look good on them, but the medals imo don't count more than being a player that was a key part of a club in a successful as well as in a not-so-successful era.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

My gut feeling and it's no more than that is Max is desperate for a flag he felt robbed of in 2022 in saying that I fully support the club in the decision they made at the time they in my opinion had little choice.This season about to begin need to be a strong showing by the Cats with at least 2 finals to give us a decent chance to retain Max on the books and having him feeling he can still achieve his dream here at the Cattery or I'm thinking he's off chasseing it elsewhere.

He'll get his premiership in 2024. Problem solved.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I think they're should be a kind of premiers ring or something given to any player who played a game that season separate to the premiership medal

Agree totally, as it takes a squad to win a premiership. From the coach, to the captain, right down to the property steward.

Without knowing Max, I still doubt that would appease him though.

Menzel & Vardy mentioned similar over the years. You're happy for your mates, but if you didn't play, you don't really feel part of it.

I don't know if a medal/ring changes that for them, but I could be wrong. I imagine it depends on the person.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah there's definitely a success component of what Max would want, though I would caution him on Collingwood being that option. They're older than we are and outside of a couple of decent kids their talent pipeline looks worse. They also probably would struggle to match us for coin with Treloar and Grundy still on the books.

If I'm Holmes it's cats or else I would look at maybe the crows but that's about it. You may be able to talk me into the saints but I'm 50/50.

Collingwood have neither the picks nor the cap space to get holmes. Other vic clubs are a threat but they arent.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Collingwood have neither the picks nor the cap space to get holmes. Other vic clubs are a threat but they arent.

Who do you reckon PO?

Carlton: A watch this space on their trajectory, and I doubt they have the S/C space anyway.

Norf: Lol

Melbourne: Same as the Blues, but different in the respect that it could all blow up this year in terms of Clarry/Smith/Goodwin issues as well as Gawn approaching the end. They tend to be aggressive though, so I could see them offering him a big deal.

St Kilda: Bit of excitement, but if he's chasing flag(s) it's not the club, coach, or list I'd be putting my faith in if I was him. They could offer big money though.

Dogs: Unless it's in a Smith/JUH trade I can't see it happening, and even then Max would still have to agree to go there. List is mediocre, and crazy Bevo hasn't exactly made them an attractive proposition in recent times.

Essendon: See St Kilda

Hawthorn: Coach looks good, list looks solid, still a couple years away but I could see why they'd be tempting. Have the money too, but he's not really a need for them. Midfield is set, the arcs need a lot of work at either end.

Richmond: On what we know right now, probably the worst option league wide. Old list, least proven/highly rated kids in the league, unproven coach.

You'd think they'd have money with Dusty & Lynch approaching the end, but is Max leaving us for a 5 year rebuild? I wouldn't have thought so.

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I'm with CatToTheFuture, in terms of what's best for him $$$ wise and in terms of team success, it's probably Adelaide, or even GWS...but I doubt he wants to leave Victoria, so they appear unlikely too.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Collingwood have neither the picks nor the cap space to get holmes. Other vic clubs are a threat but they arent.

What do you think he is worth if he says he wants out?

 

[D BRIDGE]

I don’t think if Holmes leaves it’s because he wants to go flag chasing.

If he is happy here I’d think he will stay.

Maybe he wants to get back to Melb to be closer to family and in that case if he has a few options then he can pick whoever he wants.

I don’t know where his family are located and what Melb teams are closest to them.

Going from Geelong to St Kilda…. SPEW.

Collingwood/Hawks are big clubs though.

I do assume we can/will offer him as much as anyone else… so $$$ won’t be an issue.

If he is truely happy here but wants to walk out on his mates just because a different club might be closer to a flag… well that it low behaviour for mine.

Not leadership behaviour and I’d pictured him as a future club leader.

It’s not as if he is Ben McKay

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and hardly played in a win for several years.

Holmes hasn’t paid his dues to be getting away with that kinda thing for mine.

If he wants to be closer to family, we’ll It would suck… but we play the go home card plenty when it advantages us.

Personally I’d guess he stays… if he wants to leave for family, fair enough… If he wants to do a runner to maybe be closer to a flag or he’s holding a grudge… SEEYA LATER!!!

I can’t think of one really young player leaving a successful club that loves him and can pay him to go flag chasing without him at least wanting to be closer to family.

If he was even half considering an interstate club as an option… that would indicate to me that there’s trouble in Geelong paradise that we don’t know about or he is selfish and only cares about winning a flag… Either ain’t a good thing.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agree totally, as it takes a squad to win a premiership. From the coach, to the captain, right down to the property steward.

Without knowing Max, I still doubt that would appease him though.

Menzel & Vardy mentioned similar over the years. You're happy for your mates, but if you didn't play, you don't really feel part of it.

I don't know if a medal/ring changes that for them, but I could be wrong. I imagine it depends on the person.

Sometimes recognition is given to an individual for the benefit of people in the group rather than the individual

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What do you think he is worth if he says he wants out?

Hes worth a top 5 pick.
Realistically we wont get that. However similar to cerra and other like deals you are probably looking at a pick in the 6-12 range plus steak knives (2nd or 3rd rounder or a fringe player) as the going rate.
Pies dont have the SC for max or the picks to get near that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Who do you reckon PO?

Carlton: A watch this space on their trajectory, and I doubt they have the S/C space anyway.

Norf: Lol

Melbourne: Same as the Blues, but different in the respect that it could all blow up this year in terms of Clarry/Smith/Goodwin issues as well as Gawn approaching the end. They tend to be aggressive though, so I could see them offering him a big deal.

St Kilda: Bit of excitement, but if he's chasing flag(s) it's not the club, coach, or list I'd be putting my faith in if I was him. They could offer big money though.

Dogs: Unless it's in a Smith/JUH trade I can't see it happening, and even then Max would still have to agree to go there. List is mediocre, and crazy Bevo hasn't exactly made them an attractive proposition in recent times.

Essendon: See St Kilda

Hawthorn: Coach looks good, list looks solid, still a couple years away but I could see why they'd be tempting. Have the money too, but he's not really a need for them. Midfield is set, the arcs need a lot of work at either end.

Richmond: On what we know right now, probably the worst option league wide. Old list, least proven/highly rated kids in the league, unproven coach.

You'd think they'd have money with Dusty & Lynch approaching the end, but is Max leaving us for a 5 year rebuild? I wouldn't have thought so.

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I'm with CatToTheFuture, in terms of what's best for him $$$ wise and in terms of team success, it's probably Adelaide, or even GWS...but I doubt he wants to leave Victoria, so they appear unlikely too.

Pies..dont have the picks or cap space to do it.

Carlton-he would carve it up there and id see why he would be keen but honestly i doubt they can afford. Their cap is very tight thanks to what we made them offer CC and they know we will come again for TDK next year. Even with martin coming off the books i think they will save cap for that.

Richmond-same reasons as you they are on the slide i doubt hed go there and they need KPP anyway.

Hawthorn-yes i can see it because they have acres of cap space (could pay him at least 1mil pa for the next couple years if they wanted to) and a good young list and a decent coach. Depends if he will do a rebuilding team or wants finals now.

St kilda-i know they were very keen in his draft year and probably would have taken him if we didnt jump in. And they need mids. And probably have the cap space with some expiring deals. Depends if he likes or loathes ross.

Melb-another that were very keen in his draft year. And i could see the appeal for him as a finals side. But their cap is the issue. They are weighed down by big long term deals and will soon have to replace guys like gawn may etc. If they can offload olivers contract to some stupid club they will go hard at max imo, otherwise not sure if they can afford.

NM-probably have the most cap out of anyone but would he want to go to a small rebuilding club?

Wb-im ruling them out bc they will have their hands full keeping english smith and juh. I doubt they can afford him unless one of those 3 go but im sure they would want him.

Ess-definitely have lots of cap and if he wants a 'big club' might consider. But i personally think they will always be a middling club and not achieve anything so i doubt he goes there unless he views their list differently.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Carlton ... they know we will come again for TDK next year.

Um, will we? Feels like we've moved on

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Um, will we? Feels like we've moved on

I think we will come for somebody and hes as likely as any. Remember by the end of 2025 stanley hawkins will be gone, blitz will be retiring or very close to it, cameron will be 32-33 and i assume kolo will be gone or close to it. A lot of tall timber to replace. Yes some we hope we already have see conway osullivan neale but we will need more. And tdk would be a good fit with conway as he can play r2/fwd (plus in 2025 hes FA so costs nil picks wise).

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think we will come for somebody and hes as likely as any. Remember by the end of 2025 stanley hawkins will be gone, blitz will be retiring or very close to it, cameron will be 32-33 and i assume kolo will be gone or close to it. A lot of tall timber to replace. Yes some we hope we already have see conway osullivan neale but we will need more. And tdk would be a good fit with conway as he can play r2/fwd (plus in 2025 hes FA so costs nil picks wise).

I'm not sold on tdk as a forward and if we're chasing him he would need to be

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm not sold on tdk as a forward and if we're chasing him he would need to be

I think hes reasonable.
Theres not a whole suite of great second ruck/fwds across the league-if you look at him in comparison to the available alternatives he stacks up ok.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think hes reasonable.
Theres not a whole suite of great second ruck/fwds across the league-if you look at him in comparison to the available alternatives he stacks up ok.

Yeah but you can't buy what's not there, you can't wish a trade option into existence.

Coming home paying 20k for an AU Falcon with 400k on the clock is pretty hard to explain to the missus with the line "it was the best available" when you're not sure you actually need a second car to begin with.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I think hes reasonable.
Theres not a whole suite of great second ruck/fwds across the league-if you look at him in comparison to the available alternatives he stacks up ok.

If we believe Neale is a long-term staple in our side, which many on here (and more importantly, the club) appear to think so, then we've already got that player.

Heck, Edwards might end up being that player too, as Toby- as talented as he is - is solely a ruckman.

I'd assume the setup long-term would be a genuine Key-forward (Lets just say JUH for the sake of argument, or we draft one ourselves).

Neale as the second banana forward/ruck, Ollie Henry as the third tall, and Conway as the flagship ruckman.

FF: JUH/Number 1 key forward

CHF: Neale/Edwards

HFF: O Henry

Ruck: Conway

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If we were to get TDK, we'd have three highly rated players who aren't quite good enough to be number 1 key forwards in a premiership side, and they're not number 1 ruckman either, or they're years off it being a possibility (See Edwards)

There's small differences, sure...but we'd basically have Neale, Edwards, & TDK all being the same type of player, and we've already got Conway to do half of what they do.

We've already got the ruckman, the second ruckman/forward, and the third tall set for 15 years.

All that we need is the genuine Hawkins/Cameron replacement, which admittedly is the hardest to acquire, but it's what we need to be looking for, not more 'tweener' types.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Hes worth a top 5 pick.
Realistically we wont get that. However similar to cerra and other like deals you are probably looking at a pick in the 6-12 range plus steak knives (2nd or 3rd rounder or a fringe player) as the going rate.
Pies dont have the SC for max or the picks to get near that.

I think you got a very pro Geelong view of his worth.

If he has a really good season and starts living up to the hype then yeah it’s possible that his worth could be around that pick 5 area… but he isn’t worth it at this stage.

Also even thinking we could currently get a 6-12 range pick + more picks for a guy that is OOC is pretty much best case scenario for us.

If Holmes does want out I’d love for us to get that kind of value for him.

Do I think we will… No I do not.

I don’t even know exactly what picks the Pies have.

An F1 (because I believe they don’t have a current R1) would be a starting point and we’d hope to get to add more onto that… That seems realistic to me even though obviously it would be disappointing if it was to happen.

I think the Pies find a way to get him if they really want him and if he really wants them.

I will say though if the Pies under the rules can’t trade there F1 then yeah I becomes much harder.

We just gotta hope he wants Geelong… otherwise I think he is goners and there won’t be much we can do about it.

We acted like we were playing hardball last year with Sav but eventually caved and took the best offer we could get… which was like an extra pick 70+90.

If we stood strong and did not trade Sav… well then a message would have been sent that we will not trade players unless it is for true value… but we folded and everyone witnessed it and knows we will blink.

We got Ollie Henry off the Pies for unders… I can’t see why the Pies couldn’t pull a reverse uno card on us with Holmes if he chooses them.

 

[D BRIDGE]

All that we need is the genuine Hawkins/Cameron replacement, which admittedly is the hardest to acquire, but it's what we need to be looking for, not more 'tweener' types.

Kitchen sink at JUH.

Cross fingers English + Smith both stay at the Doggies on big contracts.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

He's probably worth pick 5 in terms of ceiling but he hasn't reached that level yet. And nobody would pay it unless he has an AA season.
On the flip side if Holmes is worth pick 5 Bailey Smith

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would be worth the same if not lower.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Kitchen sink at JUH.

Cross fingers English + Smith both stay at the Doggies on big contracts.

Agree I'd rather JUH than Smith