Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[bombersboy]

Question to you.. What would you rather... Keep Stengle.. or use that pick for Stengle and give it up for Bailey Smith?

I would keep Stengle. He is a higher value player than Bailey Smith. He might not get as many possessions, but he is a great user of the ball. Smith is a butcher.

 

[Hinkley29]

I’m not going to sit here and argue with you about something I definitely don’t agree with.
I’ll just leave you with one comment, Greene has at some stage of his career been touted as the best player in the comp.
Stengle hasn’t even ever been touted as the best forward.

Greene is not a top 20 player in the comp right now.

Stengle is right now, and he is five years younger.

You pay for future production, not what a player was able to do 3 years ago.

 

[Hinkley29]

That's a pretty serious accusation to throw around based on very little.

I highly, highly doubt Commando was insinuating anything discriminatory in their post.

If there is anything resembling racism here, our mods quickly stamp it out.

Have some faith in humanity, everything doesn't have to have a sinister undertone.

What part of “could be easily interpreted as” did you not get? There was no accusation made, I just suggested that the poster be careful. Sage advice I would have thought.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Go to the draft instead of grabbing wood. Use the wood money to pay stengle.

In that scenario we would just trade like p60 for wood so we dont dilute compo (as has been done before).

 

[And_ROOS]

On what basis would you think this to be the case?

Be careful, because your post above could easily be interpreted as casual racism.

How could you interpret that as casual racism, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head at Geelong but there have been tons of players who over perform in a "contract year" and then drop off afterwards. Its super common in soccer thats for sure.

 

[FootyLad0]

One thing I don't think we should see is people getting angry at him for leaving.

Just be happy he came.

I'll always love the man

Perfectly said!

 

[Catman]

I would pay $900k+ per annum for at least 5 years.

So you value him higher than what we pay Cameron, or what we paid PFD at his peak?

 

[foxdog50]

Greene is not a top 20 player in the comp right now.

Stengle is right now, and he is five years younger.

You pay for future production, not what a player was able to do 3 years ago.

Green is only having a bad run in form, which every player does in his career. Id put my right marble he is going to bounce back... Green is a Star , matter of a fact his one of those players can win a game of footy of his own boot and there not many can do what he does and what he will do in many games to come

 

[cats_09]

What part of “could be easily interpreted as” did you not get? There was no accusation made, I just suggested that the poster be careful. Sage advice I would have thought.

It does come across as a little accusational though - especially considering no other poster has commented along those lines

Could easily have left your reply at the first line, but the second line which starts with "Be careful..." can be interpreted as one reading the comment as having racist undertones

 

[Kobe Gryant]

How could you interpret that as casual racism, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head at Geelong but there have been tons of players who over perform in a "contract year" and then drop off afterwards. Its super common in soccer thats for sure.

Think we call it the 'Jake Stringer syndrome' in our game nowadays.

 

[cats_09]

Green is only having a bad run in form, which every player does in his career. Id put my right marble he is going to bounce back... Green is a Star , matter of a fact his one of those players can win a game of footy of his own boot and there not many can do what he does and what he will do in many games to come

I posted this earlier but it seems to have got lost, this is Greene vs Stengle for good season - so yes it's bit of a down year by Greene's standards, but it's still a pretty good season to date

I dare say that if say Close or Mannagh (should be be playing seniors) was playing at the level Greene has to date this season, we'd be pretty damn happy with their output



And then here's the comparison with Tyson's 2023 which was a down year from him - I'd take a down year from Greene rather than a down year from Stengle

 

[Warhorse]

In that scenario we would just trade like p60 for wood so we dont dilute compo (as has been done before).

But then we have to pay wood. I say we don't take him and use that money on stengle

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I get your point, but the rumour is he's getting offers of 850k+ and we're not willing to go there.

To me, that says we want the cap room for the extra mid or two we're targeting, and the extra pick wouldn't hurt in that scenario either to add as collateral.

We've got more than enough money to sign Tyson on his own...but does the club believe we have enough if we've already got handshake agreements with opposition targets? I'm not sure.

We would've likely budgeted for him being signed on 500-600k-ish, and the retirements of Hawkins, Rohan, Stanley, Bews, & Touhy would've gone into that too.

The drag out is due to the club debating signing Stengle vs Smith and/or Oliver/other mystery mid IMO.

With those retirements + Stengle gone, how does the salary cap work, Kobe? Not all of those salaries go into Stengle’s $500k to $600k? What am I missing. Are you saying enough for Stengle + oppo players in contract negotiations? Forgive my lack of knowledge

Ignoring my question, with those retirements, Stengle gone + considering VFL promotions, which positions must be filled, in order of importance?

Midfield obviously +++

 

[calder_daddy]

Greene is not a top 20 player in the comp right now.

Stengle is right now, and he is five years younger.

You pay for future production, not what a player was able to do 3 years ago.

Your right Stengle is in better form than Greene
But Greene is deep into what I’d say is his final contract and played multiple years as a top flight afl footballer, you cannot compare the 2 right now.

I compared them to what the both have been best at in both careers
Toby has been touted as a best player in the comp.
Stengle hasn’t ever been touted as the best small forward.

 

[calder_daddy]

Surely 800k isn’t overpaying for Stengle.

If we have offered him 700k and he wants 800k and he stays I’d pay it
I wouldn’t pay more

 

[Zouz Kitty]

let's swap him for TDK

Geelong Cats ‘Band of Brothers’

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Go to the draft instead of grabbing wood. Use the wood money to pay stengle.

I'm assuming wood would be less than stengle but if you're losing stengle and taking Wood then you're really not making the best of a bad situation

 

[Hinkley29]

So you value him higher than what we pay Cameron, or what we paid PFD at his peak?

The market has changed and the salary cap has (and will continue) gone up.

He is a 25 year old free agent at the top of his game, a top 15-20 player in the league. Yes I would pay as much for that as I would a 31/32 year old Jeremy Cameron.

 

[Hinkley29]

Green is only having a bad run in form, which every player does in his career. Id put my right marble he is going to bounce back... Green is a Star , matter of a fact his one of those players can win a game of footy of his own boot and there not many can do what he does and what he will do in many games to come

Greene is 31 years old in September, by which time he will have played ~240 games and been on the list for 13 years.

It is a very safe bet that his career is trending down not up.

Stengle on the other hand…..

 

[Hinkley29]

If we have offered him 700k and he wants 800k and he stays I’d pay it
I wouldn’t pay more

Then he is leaving, because he is worth more and the league knows it.

 

[Johanpetro]

The market has changed and the salary cap has (and will continue) gone up.

He is a 25 year old free agent at the top of his game, a top 15-20 player in the league. Yes I would pay as much for that as I would a 31/32 year old Jeremy Cameron.

I love Stengle and am in the camp of overpaying him to stay but I could name 20 better players in the league off the top of my head without even trying, let’s not go too far

 

[CatToTheFuture]

In that scenario we would just trade like p60 for wood so we dont dilute compo (as has been done before).

We'd have to pretty well match the compo pick for the saints though. Might cost our 2nd

 

[Hinkley29]

I posted this earlier but it seems to have got lost, this is Greene vs Stengle for good season - so yes it's bit of a down year by Greene's standards, but it's still a pretty good season to date

I dare say that if say Close or Mannagh (should be be playing seniors) was playing at the level Greene has to date this season, we'd be pretty damn happy with their output

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And then here's the comparison with Tyson's 2023 which was a down year from him - I'd take a down year from Greene rather than a down year from Stengle


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Is greene’s 2024 injury related? Or is he just declining? I don’t know of any injury so I guess it must be the latter.

Stengle’s 2023 was very clearly injury impacted, comparing it to Greene’s 2024 is pointless.

 

[Hinkley29]

I love Stengle and am in the camp of overpaying him to stay but I could name 20 better players in the league off the top of my head without even trying, let’s not go too far

Ok - go for it.

 

[foxdog50]

Greene is 31 years old in September, by which time he will have played ~240 games and been on the list for 13 years.

It is a very safe bet that his career is trending down not up.

Stengle on the other hand…..

Green will be a star for the next 2 years...