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Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2
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The Hawks will only be happy if we pay him enough to get Band1 which is probably heading towards 900 now. They might be unhappy and still let him go if they want to move in another direction and want to keep their cap space. Worpel might not want to come and he stays.
If we want him ...Id just offer what we think he is worth ..and let the rain fall where it may.
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I think the Hawks matching any offer will be more around them securing a FA of their own - if they have a FA coming in, then they'd receive no compensation for Worpel and that could see them more inclined to match so they get something in return
If they're no longer chasing a FA of their own they may be more willing to allow Worpel to move on as a FA
I could see an offer of around that $700k per season for him
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I've read discussion elsewhere that Band1 compo with the salary cap increases is likely to be offers pushing $1million/$1.1million a year - the type of offers that Oscar Allen has reportedly been attracting
I'm ignoring the crazy stupid offer for TDK as that's simply a crazy stupid offer
Not sure any team would be offering Worpel enough for a Band1 compo offer
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The AFL can dial it to whatever they want …after all …in a totally clean mechanism no club would get anything for a player leaving who is OOC….. The media reports from a few years ago inferred that band1 was when the money landed in the top5% of dollars earn't by players of FA age with max years to go so… 25/26 etc. The older the player it is less likely that the comp is the max. So each one of these higher dollars deals pushes the band1 line. …. I guess we will only find out when someone gets a deal close to the line ..and the club comes out saying they are disappointed etc. Worpel is probably that type ..as I doubt many would say they see him as a 7 figure player. Butters would be next year but Port probably match anyway so its probably not the case that will define the line.
I cant say id be disappointed if we miss out on him. He is hardly our new Danger ( game changer etc.)
I see our NGA kicked a goal in the VC v VM game. He is not high production but he seems to contribute most games and usually with something noteworthy. Be interesting to see where he is bid on… and what we value him as … cause we are not light on for his type.
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Talent is talent, blokes being added for basically nothing giving us depth pushing for spots is a good thing cause it makes the guys in the best 23 have to work to maintain their position.
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There's almost no chance Hawthorn match a bid. That has only happened twice and only when a 1st rounder is deemed unders and a club wants more for an absolute A grader (e.g., Cameron). Maybe, maybe if they are getting another free agent themselves and don't want to dilute compo they might make us trade. But it doesn't seem they are linked to anyone.
Look, I would probably take him at $700k, but 4 years max.
But ultimately he's a B grade player who can only play as a centre bounce midfielder. I'd always be wary of recruiting those types. Hopefully over the period he is here we have enough A graders that he is pushed out. So as long as we accept that by the end of his deal he might be playing VFL.
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I doubt the club will be paying Worpel anywhere near $1 million ..and that’s is us , Hawks or any other club in the AFL
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I'm struggling to comprehend the Worpel talk.
If he's gently being pushed out the door at Hawthorn then doesn't that raise a few red flags? I'm genuinely not sure there's a big difference in the quality / output of Hawks and Cats midfield stocks. If that's the case then why do we think Worpel is the answer - particularly at the salary level some are talking and the fact that his current club doesn't seem to care too much if he goes.
He's like for like with Atkins so what's the point. I can't see how those 2 play in the same midfield too often.
Seems to me that we're all just getting caught up in the trade talk and outside noise, rather than having a think about what it is that our midfield stocks need. It might be a moneyball play Geelong are focused on, but I don't know if Worpel is that player that comes in and make a big difference.
If he's gently being pushed out the door at Hawthorn then doesn't that raise a few red flags? I'm genuinely not sure there's a big difference in the quality / output of Hawks and Cats midfield stocks. If that's the case then why do we think Worpel is the answer - particularly at the salary level some are talking and the fact that his current club doesn't seem to care too much if he goes.
He's like for like with Atkins so what's the point. I can't see how those 2 play in the same midfield too often.
Seems to me that we're all just getting caught up in the trade talk and outside noise, rather than having a think about what it is that our midfield stocks need. It might be a moneyball play Geelong are focused on, but I don't know if Worpel is that player that comes in and make a big difference.
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I genuinely don't see how people are saying he's like for like with Atkins though. When Worpel won the Hawks BNF he was playing Tom Mitchell's role. His disposal numbers have dropped in the years since but his damage with it has gone up.
Atkins is having a genuine blinder of a year and going on the attack much more regularly but he's always been a defence first type mid.
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Hawks have midfield depth waiting in the wings
We don’t
Haven't you heard of George Stevens? It was just a few weeks back that he was going to single handedly win the brownlow, solve the Gaza conflict and eradicate world poverty, all before Grand Final day.
But to be serious, yes the Hawks probably bat a bit deeper but best midfield Vs best midfield I don't think there's really much of a gap.
Maybe you're right but I don't see it with Worpel. His best footy is probably behind him and if there was much upside I don't think the Hawks would be opening the door to a departure.
Personally I see him in the Atkins mould if he were to join Geelong. Don't think the output would be much different - but I'd lean towards getting more from Atkins in the next 2 years.
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You're saying Worpels best footy is behind him but last year I would argue was his best year. He's 26 too not 30. At the same age Atkins was playing his first year as a defender, having played 2 years as a forward.
You understand the irony in saying Worpel has no development left when the player comparison you also made is having a break out year 3 months from his 30th birthday too right?
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This is what I don't get, why are we turning our noses up at a free hit?
If it makes us better, why would we be against it?
No one is coming from underneath to grab that spot.
No one else from outside the club is coming ready for Round 1 2026.
Are we that spoiled as supporters that people think we are above grabbing certain blokes who aren't "A Graders"
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Hawks might know they have someone big coming in to replace him and need the cap space.
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There's no such thing as a free hit when you're paying $500k+ over many years for him.
Best case he comes here and is a solid B-grader. We're probably still asking if our midfield is good enough to compete with the best. So we give up a big slab of cap space and don't solve our issue.
I'd prefer we keep our powder dry and back in one of our youngsters (probably Clark from what I've seen) then go big at Butters or Reid next year with extra cap space.
I don't think it's a fair assessment to suggest that this has been a breakout year for Atkins. I think he's been pretty consistent over the last 2-3 years in a variety of roles.
And yes, I don't think there's a great amount of upside to Worpel.
Just an observation and personal opinion. We don't need to agree.
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That’s a massive gamble considering neither of them has shown much at this time so far and that we need to go hard for a flag while we still have Danger and JC in the side ..only got 1-2 years of having them left
Make a godfather offer for Bont to come over here ..you never know
I'd love to back a youngster in the belief that it fixes the problem with midfield depth. I just don't think Clark is that player.
I think there's a few players that we'll look at closely from a list management perspective at EOY. There's a couple of names that I think would want to deliver a pretty good month of footy or they could be delisted or encouraged to pursue other opportunities.
Knevitt - Clark - Clohesy - are the one's I'm honestly not sure about. The club will stick with Clark and try to develop him given he was a low pick. The other two I'm not sure will make it. Knevitt surprises me - has some good attributes but perhaps lacks a bit of mongrel and a hard edge that might have seen him play more footy under Scott.
We need more than George Stevens as depth. We need 5 or 6 midfielders in our team that not just only playing in the 1 spot but rotating in and out of many positions.. look at all the teams that have won premierships they have 6 or so players all rotate in out of the midfield.. Im not just talking about blokes like Shark O'Connor etc
O'Connor is actually one of the intriguing one's we need to watch over the next 4-5 weeks.
With Mullin's development I think he's gone ahead of O'Connor in that pure lockdown / run with role. I think he's borderline best 22 but is clearly a favourite of the coaches. If we had a relatively full list to pick from come finals I think O'Connor is potentially one that gets squeezed out.
Might also depend on who we play.
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