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I'd go for hope. Don't rule out the Baggers cos of connections. If they show they are competitive, which I think they will. They will have the trade bait and wherewithal.Reasons for optimism?
Hope?
Or knowkledge?
You are arguing from the same side of the fenceI did not say that they did not do the best for us, as they offered more than plenty.
My main point is that Mackie and Scott wanted to improve the ruck situation, and they did not. So for anyone to say that our ruck choices of Stanley, Blics and the rest is satisfactory, is obviously wrong, as we went out of our way to get an older ruckman in Marshall.
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This, 1000% this.
We need genuine A grade midfield talent.
A ruck or a full forward wasn't stopping the avalanche of midfield talent Brisbane have at their disposal.
Honestly about 9 guys who can run through the guts and look comfortable.
We have to make a big move next offseason, we CAN NOT afford to be sitting on our hands (not that we ever do) while Paddy, Blics, Jez, Stewy etc are on the backend of their careers.
Time to compete is now, we must get the star midfielder to lead the way with our outside runners (Dash bros), our inside bulls (Atkins and Worpel) and our defensive mids (Mullin, Bowes, Bruhn?)
Butters or Walsh are those players.
We should not have to be playing Miers, Mannagh, Jez at stages through the guts just to offset it...that's a shortfall of a position we lack genuine talent in....not that we don't have talent there its just a glaring weakness.
That's why i'm big now on our first pick in the draft for Wells and Mack going and grabbing a ball winning mid.
I don't care what anybody says about this draft, there is talent there.
One guy i think would be a huge help in our Draft range is Sam Cumming. North Adelaide kid, 186cm so not small by any means and can win footy but the best part. He's strong, he can take a mark and he can go forward and kick goals which is something we lack. Mids who push forward to kick goals. I think we are one of the worst sides in the League for goal kicking mids. Lions are stacked with players who do it.
I get it, we have an elite forward line but we shouldn't have to rely on just forwards to kick them. Makes us more of a threat.
Here's some highlights of the kid, he looks the goods.
I’d rather play Mitch edwards.At this point get Goldy.. ask him for 14 games and he doesn’t play vfl but he’s on close to mimimim chips.
Stanley and Blitz can cover the rest of the rotations with Neale and SDK covering from and back Halves.
Not great but prob best option if we need to go with a ruck not on our list
Go Catters
Clearly what we offered never mattered as it went from pick 19 to that plus 2026 rd 1 a d they still walked from itThe pool of talent this year was low. There's much better players available next year that I would rather we target so im fine with what we did.
If you listen to Ross lyons comments last night honestly they weren't ever trading him (which is unfortunate for him) I dont think it would have mattered what we offered.
Player managers like elephants.. long memories and they will not forget things getting “Leeked”Probably more than $1 million in the end when I think about it.
offering lets say 750k for 4 or 5 years = 3 or 3.75million.
He probably just stayed at GWS for 400ish for 2x years = 800k
Because everyone knew they were so into him, nobody else had time to look into him and GWS didn't have hardly any $$$ saved for him because they expected him to go.
Deadset scammed this guy out of at least $2 million.
Complete dogs act, one of the worst I can think of... surprised they haven't been smashed even harder for doing so.
It's almost theft.
Imagine thinking for so long you are gonna get this huge contract... even last week grubby allen said "we'll get it done" and then they just say... nahhh.
It's a rug pull on Aleer... Cost him millions... Dude gonna be depressed as over it.
Bews get… Guthrie.. I just can’t see it.. 3 years no games and can’t get on the track rally let alone game conditions.My mail is Guthrie and Bews are staying for 1 more (at least).
Ahhh wtf?Side note skimming the fine print there. I think I found our best rort yet. The AFL literally giving us an extra $1.1m dollars to pay our players every year
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What the hell? It was cutting it fine but that’s an outrageous offer by us. I can’t believe the saints were that stubborn.
Harry Boyd?At this point get Goldy.. ask him for 14 games and he doesn’t play vfl but he’s on close to mimimim chips.
Stanley and Blitz can cover the rest of the rotations with Neale and SDK covering from and back Halves.
Not great but prob best option if we need to go with a ruck not on our list
Go Catters
Others have him even earlierESPN ratings have him 10.
Will he be available at our pick??
Surf Coast holiday in the offing?Butters is coming next year.
Crows will be going hard for Zac Bailey. We should be having a crack at both Butters and Walsh. Hopefully we land one of the two.So Butters, Walsh, Zac Bailey are some of the names available next year.
Hope we have a crack at all of them.
He’s not interested in going to the team he will get more money at and grew up supporting in the Dogs?Butters is coming next year.
Fascinated to see the alternative facts.I would like your interpretation to be correct, it definitely feels fairer, but i have the experience of being burned by facts that one time seared into my brain. Will have to see if i can go back and find the convo on it.
Butters is coming next year.
He’s not interested in going to the team he will get more money at and grew up supporting in the Dogs?

From what I have seen and read of jevin phillipou, hard pass.Others have him even earlier
I think Jevan Phillipou could slide to us given he missed a bunch of footy with the broken arm. Wouldn't mind it
Agree- are we assuming Conway is out again?I’d rather play Mitch edwards.
How long is he out of full training with his foot surgery??Agree- are we assuming Conway is out again?
Yes - but I want Edwards to be slowly brought in. He’s a bean pole right now and has great skills for a big bloke.. but I fear he needs 18 months to get fully up to speed.I’d rather play Mitch edwards.