Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

2025 AFL Draft and Trade Dates:​

Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 Telstra AFL Draft

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Is that a description of Stevens or Guthrie from the last 18 months?

I wouldn’t be shocked if an early stage rehabmcan guthrie in a moon boot is still quicker than George stevens

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The AFL helped create a monster.

Breakdown of spending to build the 23 on GF day

	Brisbane Lions	Geelong Cats
List DVI	30645	18431
Total DVI of the 23 selected	24774	11376
Average Age weighted by DVI	25.89	27.30
Players traded with a DVI cost	5	4
Traded	5915	5277
Average Age Traded weighted by DVI	30.78	32.49
Drafted	18859	6099
Players drafted with a DVI cost	16	8
Average Age Drafted weighted by DVI	24.35	22.81
Players recruited with 0 DVI cost	2	11

We're fighting against both age and resources.

Next year they're adding two free agents that resulted in the creation of a pick 2 and pick 21 and they're also getting another top 5 pick at the draft.

We got Worpel and 19

We had also 10 rookie drafted players in our 23 also on grand final day… while Brisbane were loaded with first round picks including very early draft choices, academy kids, and father son picks, and a heap of trades.

It adds up to one tsunami of a talented list

 

[Generalissimo]

....if his body actually let's him do that for the first since 2022. Compare the amount of AFL games Guthrie has played 2023-2025 compared to Duncan 2022-2024. Mitch was actually available as cover in 2025 based on his recent durability (despite slowing down).

Anyway as I say before each recent season, I hope this time Guthrie's body holds up.

Well yes, I think it goes without saying that this would be the plan assuming Guthrie can get on the park. If it doesn't look like happening by about Rd 6 or 7, I reckon then would be the time to give him the tap on the shoulder and plan ahead to the MSD.

 

[cats_09]

Both

I don't know anyone who doesn't love what Cam has bought to the team over his career - he's a 2 time Carji winner and premiership player, and I totally get the romanticism of wanting to see him back in the seniors, getting to call time on his career etc

But I'm not sure that's going to be the case, even if he re-signs for 1 more season

If he had missed just this last season then I'd def be open to retaining him to see how he'd bounce back but we all know it's a few steps beyond just one season out

He hasn't played senior football for over 500 days, it's been just 10 senior games in the last 1100+ days and by the time of round 0/1 next year it will be over 650 days since he last played senior football

Folks can talk about Guthrie having access to the best medical team available, but hasn't that been the case for the last 3 years while he's continued to battle injuries of a similar nature

Even the odd time over the past 15 months he took to the VFL field, he doesn't look the same player who we saw win the B&F in 22; in our last VFL game of the season it was Duncan who was covering the ground better but we know he was never going on into next season

 

[cats_09]

I wouldn’t be shocked if an early stage rehabmcan guthrie in a moon boot is still quicker than George stevens

It's been 3 years of rehab for Guth - he's long past the early stages, and having watched both guys in the VFL - I'd back in Stevens to better cover the ground than what we'd see from Guthrie

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Conway is injured and Edwards is a stick.

And the journeymen you've asked for for 5 years are a waste of time

 

[Hinkley29]

I don't know anyone who doesn't love what Cam has bought to the team over his career - he's a 2 time Carji winner and premiership player, and I totally get the romanticism of wanting to see him back in the seniors, getting to call time on his career etc

But I'm not sure that's going to be the case, even if he re-signs for 1 more season

If he had missed just this last season then I'd def be open to retaining him to see how he'd bounce back but we all know it's a few steps beyond just one season out

He hasn't played senior football for over 500 days, it's been just 10 senior games in the last 1100+ days and by the time of round 0/1 next year it will be over 650 days since he last played senior football

Folks can talk about Guthrie having access to the best medical team available, but hasn't that been the case for the last 3 years while he's continued to battle injuries of a similar nature

Even the odd time over the past 15 months he took to the VFL field, he doesn't look the same player who we saw win the B&F in 22; in our last VFL game of the season it was Duncan who was covering the ground better but we know he was never going on into next season

No one who looks at the situation objectively can advocate for cuthrie staying on the list.

It sucks, we don’t want it to be so, but he is done.

 

[Hinkley29]

It's been 3 years of rehab for Guth - he's long past the early stages, and having watched both guys in the VFL - I'd back in Stevens to better cover the ground than what we'd see from Guthrie

They both should be the next 2 players off the list.

 

[Mr Meow]

The AFL helped create a monster.

Breakdown of spending to build the 23 on GF day

	Brisbane Lions	Geelong Cats
List DVI	30645	18431
Total DVI of the 23 selected	24774	11376
Average Age weighted by DVI	25.89	27.30
Players traded with a DVI cost	5	4
Traded	5915	5277
Average Age Traded weighted by DVI	30.78	32.49
Drafted	18859	6099
Players drafted with a DVI cost	16	8
Average Age Drafted weighted by DVI	24.35	22.81
Players recruited with 0 DVI cost	2	11

We're fighting against both age and resources. They spend three times as much at the draft, their players with a high DVI cost are closer to their peak age.

Next year they're adding two free agents that resulted in the creation of a pick 2 and pick 21 and they're also getting another top 5 pick at the draft.

We got Worpel and 19

People will still scream that Geelong are the Man City/Real Madrid of the AFL, with the superstar list acquired through nefarious means, every unfair advantage known to man and permanent status as the AFL's pet.

The Brisbane Galacticos are somehow still the people's champions - maybe a few more flags in a row could change that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Ruggles was a defender, Clark's a midfielder.

Yes but he doesnt have the body to play midfield yet. Needs a big pre season

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They both should be the next 2 players off the list.

Wiltshire and guthrie and bews are certain to go imo (makes room for 2 draft picks and mellor). Stevens is 50/50 and i think ted delists himself (or we do it) to try and ger chances at another club

 

[Pure_Ownage]

And the journeymen you've asked for for 5 years are a waste of time

As is Conway because he cannot get on the park. Journeymen are alright in a limited role see Darcy Fort.

 

[terry_bright]

They both should be the next 2 players off the list.

Guthrie definitely. Stevens I can see getting another year but not phased either way.

Be interesting to see how many players leave.
Duncan, Ivisic (rookie), Retschko (rookie), is what we know so far.
Worpel in so far. We have 2 open rookie spots, and still have to open up a minimum of 2 senior spots to take at the draft.

C.Guthrie, Stevens, Wilshire, Pike, Clohesy, Bews all candidates for the chop IMO.

I would like to see us take our 1st pick to the draft (it will be late, but it ticks off the 2 1st's used in 4 years rule going forward), and our very last. Try and trade everything in between in to next year's draft.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Well yes, I think it goes without saying that this would be the plan assuming Guthrie can get on the park. If it doesn't look like happening by about Rd 6 or 7, I reckon then would be the time to give him the tap on the shoulder and plan ahead to the MSD.

Yes but we knew Mitch would be fit and available as a vfl backup if there was injuries. Guthrie is unlikely to be available so what's the point?

 

[Generalissimo]

Yes but we knew Mitch would be fit and available as a vfl backup if there was injuries. Guthrie is unlikely to be available so what's the point?

GFC medical staff might feel differently, and they know more than we do. If Cuth remains on the list I'm gonna remain optimistic about his chances of contributing in the seniors next year.

 

[Lana]

People will still scream that Geelong are the Man City/Real Madrid of the AFL, with the superstar list acquired through nefarious means, every unfair advantage known to man and permanent status as the AFL's pet.

The Brisbane Galacticos are somehow still the people's champions - maybe a few more flags in a row could change that.

We're living off culture capital earned 15 years ago. It is crazy how we still have the lights on. At some point soon all we'll have is prayer.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

And the journeymen you've asked for for 5 years are a waste of time

What is a journeyman ruck going to give us that playing Mitch edwards or mark blicavs wouldn’t??

The journeyman ruck will get his ass kicked in hitouts and offer nothing around the ground.

What is the point?? May as well just stick with what we have or develop a promising kid

 

[D BRIDGE]

The AFL helped create a monster.

Breakdown of spending to build the 23 on GF day

	Brisbane Lions	Geelong Cats
List DVI	30645	18431
Total DVI of the 23 selected	24774	11376
Average Age weighted by DVI	25.89	27.30
Players traded with a DVI cost	5	4
Traded	5915	5277
Average Age Traded weighted by DVI	30.78	32.49
Drafted	18859	6099
Players drafted with a DVI cost	16	8
Average Age Drafted weighted by DVI	24.35	22.81
Players recruited with 0 DVI cost	2	11

We're fighting against both age and resources. They spend three times as much at the draft (Under the new DVI weighting it is 4 times as much), their players with a high DVI cost are closer to their peak age.

Next year they're adding two free agents that resulted in the creation of a pick 2 and pick 21 and they're also getting another top 5 pick at the draft.

We got Worpel and 19

Yep, they've had a pretty decent run for sure. Ridiculous actually.

It's partly why I was a bit annoyed they didn't trade Ah Chee to the Crows... Even though it cost them picks.

More that they are swimming so deep in talent and good fortune, that they can freely flush an R2 + R3 straight down the toilet and make Ah Chee go the long route.

I get it's, under for him... but I just think Brisbane should read the room and copped one on the chin for unders.

The AFL deadset just gift wrapped them an R1 pick for a guy that is one knock away from retirement + they scored 2x free agents. I wouldn't be shocked if Oscar Allen isn't getting band 1 money either.

Not to mention that other clubs have done them solids by letting two Ashcrofts slide in the draft, when they could have been bid on at pick 1.

Then there's all the academy gun kids flowing in every single year. Another top kid this year after another flag.

Just trade Ah Chee away get to work... Nah, in the end they don't even want an R2 + R3... Rather get nothing... Don't need no trash R2/R3 picks... They deal in elite kids only lol.

Talk about being gifted a million fish by the ocean, but not being willing to throw anything back in.

A bit scabish behaviour imo.

 

[Warhorse]

Yep, they've had a pretty decent run for sure.

It's partly why I was a bit annoyed they didn't trade Ah Chee to the Crows... Even though it cost them picks.

More that they are swimming for deep in talent and good fortune, that they can freely flush an R2 + R3 straight down the toilet and make Ah Chee go the long route.

I get it's under for him... but I just think Brisbane should read the room and copped one on the chin for unders.

The AFL deadset just gift wrapped them an R1 pick for a guy that is one knock away from retirement + they scored 2x free agents. I wouldn't be shocked if Oscar Allen isn't getting band 1 money either.

Not to mention that other clubs have done them solids by letting two Ashcrofts slide in the draft, when they could have been bid on at pick 1.

Then there's all the academy gun kids flowing in every single year. Another top kid this year after another flag.

Just trade Ah Chee away get to work... Nah, they wanted more... in the end they don't even want an R2 + R3... Rather get nothing.

Talk about being gifted a million fish but not willing to throw anything back in the Ocean.

A bit scabish behaviour imo.

Add to that the coach is a terrible human being putting on a nice guy act. I hate them

 

[Moral Decay]

Listening to Ross Lyon and his plans for 2 rucks (which i disagree with) i dont think they were trading him even if we offered the future 1st so that makes me happier. We did all we could do.

I'm of the belief that given our (Saints) list profile, we've traded players for picks in free agency the last 2 years and hit the draft hard to get to the point of moving into the top 8. Whether the club is right or not it believes that we are ready next year so players coming in, in areas that we are weak. We were never trading Ro for picks.

If a player had been part of the trade there was something to work with, first and importantly Mackie said that no players would be traded. Trade dead at that point.

For the sake of the exercise if a player was on the table, who could that be? A look at the Saints list would say that we need a quality mid which is an area that Geelong lack depth in. So probably that doesn't work, or if we say that Dougal Howard is becoming marginal then maybe SDK is an option, taller, faster, more agile but seems to have reached his limit; not very physical and a not a good interceptor, but 5 years younger than Dougal.

Then there's the problem of getting Marshall's value right. In the last 4 b&f he's finished 3rd, 3rd, 4th and 6th. If we look at Geelong's b&f to determine relative value. Holmes, Smith and Cameron are obviously untouchable, Tom Atkins is too old for our list profile and arguably not as good as Jack Steele whom we have moved past, we have Windhager, McCrae, and Boxshall all able to fill the same role.

Blicavs is an absolute gun but the age is wrong and he's too valuable to Geelong. Which leaves Gryan Miers (Max Hall, Hugo Garcia) and Olie Dempsey (Darcy Wilson). Who on the face of it have similar types already in the Saints list. I'm not making the argument that any of these guys should be traded but rather trying to point out the difficulties in making it work.

Best of luck next year and I hope I haven't offended.

 

[thegerman]

Guth next year will be like Duncan this year. Five or six games in the seniors to cover for whoever's turn it is to be managed, a bit of unofficial coaching for the younger midfielders, and handy insurance in case of injury. He'd be unlikely to be in the midfield mix next September, all going well, but he'll have a role in enuring the chosen midfield lineup is primed and ready come finals.

Even when he played VFL last year on limited time, he didn’t look the same. Maybe scared of injury or breaking down again.

You can’t have those types on the list. He wouldn’t by able to get fit enough. He’s done surely.

 

[thegerman]

He wants us.

Like Curnow, it may come down to assets. We may not have enough and he may have to come up with another solution.

Until he’s wearing our polo, I’ll gladly wait till then.

 

[FootyLad0]

Just noticing this year - are other clubs starting to collectively freeze us out of trading?

Saints didn’t want Marshall to go, they were pretty adamant about that.

It’s better if we go for OOC or Free Agents so it’s out of oppo clubs hands.

Hawthorn didn’t get any of their targets, Collingwood didn’t get their main target, Adelaide didn’t get theirs although they will through PSD and he was OOC.

This isn’t a Geelong thing, this is a blow back against Contracted players trying to move thing.
Teams were fed up with guys wanting out mid or late into their contract and put their foot down which they have every right to do.
You saw how Petoro acted when Merrett didn’t get traded. Almost petulant.

Cats and Saints were far more amicable. Ross even said Mackie was respectful to the process.
It just is what it is, this is a win for Mitch Edwards.

Starting ruck spot is his to grab, reckon we have our future ruck for the decade in Mitch.
He just needs to be given a shot.

 

[FootyLad0]

Conway is injured and Edwards is a stick.

Edwards has already put on a bit of bulk, new ruck rules will favour him.
He’s super athletic, we’ve gotta get games into him.

 

[thegerman]

Saints didn’t want Marshall to go, they were pretty adamant about that.

It’s better if we go for OOC or Free Agents so it’s out of oppo clubs hands.

Hawthorn didn’t get any of their targets, Collingwood didn’t get their main target, Adelaide didn’t get theirs although they will through PSD and he was OOC.

This isn’t a Geelong thing, this is a blow back against Contracted players trying to move thing.
Teams were fed up with guys wanting out mid or late into their contract and put their foot down which they have every right to do.
You saw how Petoro acted when Merrett didn’t get traded. Almost petulant.

Cats and Saints were far more amicable. Ross even said Mackie was respectful to the process.
It just is what it is, this is a win for Mitch Edwards.

Starting ruck spot is his to grab, reckon we have our future ruck for the decade in Mitch.
He just needs to be given a shot.

Mitch may well be all these things, however 3 games in the VFL in 24 and 7 last year, he’s got a long way to go to be at AFL standard.

Even the most optimistic surely sees him still building this year with a seniors debut highly unlikely.