Analysis Giants Coaching. Your thoughts.

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My outside opinion of someone who watches a lot of GWS and wants them to win a flag..
- Leon either needs to change things up or go. He needs a new game plan as this one clearly isn’t working, every year same result. I think maybe he needs to go, his game day tactics are poor
- the medical department needs to be reviewed, every year injuries ruin your season

This needs to be rectified this off season because in my opinion, you should have already won a flag. The window is running out
Fair and honest.
 

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Andre the Giant

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Here is my take.

Leon is a smart guy, he reads and watches the game carefully and is fully understanding of where the game is and is going. He is a likeable person, diplomatic and gets around the players well.

His assistants have improved over the journey and he is better resourced now then previously however there is still some sentimental dead wood that needs to be moved along.

Is he capable of leading us to a flag? Possibly, but he did fail to do so in 2016 when all the planets were aligned and our team is not as strong depth wise as we were then.

How is he with team selection? I think generally he has been quite fair, giving most guys an opportunity and apart from the odd occasion (last week too tall and immobile) getting the mix right.

Does he have a defined style? Absolutely not, this team seems to change its style regularly, there doesn’t appear to be defined style and this does get shown up by other teams.

Is he tactically innovative? I would say yes and no. He is definitely trying things, Zac Williams into midfield, Toby going from guts to small forward, moving Whitfield around, Finlayson forward, but as a team he frequently gets out coached by the likes of Clarkson, Scott and Hardwick.

Is he ruthless enough? Absolutely not, he just comes across as a nice guy.

Does he play favourites at the team’s expense? I’m a bit undecided because we don’t have the internal information/data. On the face of it a guy like Sam Reid is not best 22. His stats are often poor and he has held a spot ahead of the likes of Bonar and at times Hately and others.

We don’t know what intangibles Reid is giving Cameron that he loves, perhaps it’s vital to his overall scheme? Is it in isolation influencing games? I would think not.

Does Cameron have the right personnel to execute his plan? I would argue no. In 16’ we had a much faster team and were able to break up games.

We now have a hard headed but pedestrian midfield full of samey same players that are good but can’t break up games.

Next year this will be worse particularly if Cogs leaves. We will draft Tom
Green, who is an absolute jet and found gold, but he is also one paced meaning we get slower again. Ward comes back a year older and from an ACL and Scully and Shiel are already gone.

We face having a very slow midfield and at this point don’t have the draft collateral to fix this. We already need a ruckman and replacement for Shaw but the need for an agile midfielder is really pressing. I do like Caldwell but he’s tidy but not express and Hately is slow.

Anyways, got off track. Personally all things considered I think Leon is probably more an assistant coach and a very good one in that capacity rather than the head coach, I feel he just lacks presence to fulfil that role.

If we don’t replace him he needs a gun like Balme (cannot get) Roos (hates GWS) to come on board and really help him out, otherwise I suspect this time next year we will be looking for a new guy.

I would bring in Robert Harvey, he has a tremendous CV and has done the hard yards. He is old enough to command full respect and is ready to go to the next level. No coach will come without some level of doubt. Is he ruthless enough? Who knows but he is smart, has had the highest level of success and has the ambition to do the job. I think he is the best bet.
 
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Leon has many positives, but the game is absolutely ruthless, and 17 coaches fail each year.
I'd like to see someone on the coaching panel with a bit of cunning, a bit of 'nous', some in the moment decision making.

Last week v Hawthorn, early first quarter, Burgoygne just paddled the ball backwards, where 2 Hawks were always positioned behind the high ball.
'So that's how it's going to be tonight?" It was for them.
Giants had no clue how to counteract. Five minutes and the game was done.
 

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You know what, as a Freo supporter I have always been a Ross Lyon supporter.

It's not his fault he has been to 3 losing Grand finals but at least he got there.

Freo had the first 12 shots on goal or something stupid I'm that GF for 2 points. That's what cost them

This year Freo turned at the half way mark equal 4th slot on the ladder before the entire forward line and half the backline got injured in the space of 2 games. Had that not happened he would probably still be there.

Tactically he is a master coach and you know what I can almost guarantee the thought would have at least crossed the mind of GWS officials

My only concern with him is that he has a game plan and refuses to change it. Super stubborn and then you go down by 50 points

But then again so does Leon. So interesting times ahead

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fridgeman

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Some names I would think could be a good fit for an assistant role at the club
Kingsley
Burns
Rutten
I would consider Richardson for a role at the club similar to McConnell but Lyon is too much of a divisive character for the club to consider imo
 

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Simmofreo

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Haha didn't take long did it

You know what though I know what he means. See defensive high pressure footy is great. Did anyone see the Freo v swans Prelim in 2013 ? The swans got smashed by 4 Freo players within 2 seconds of getting the ball, and they just couldn't move it.

So defensive footy is good. However where Ross style at Freo looked "boring" is that Freo could stop other teams scoring but couldn't score themselves.

The closest I have seen is the Geelong game a few weeks ago. Watch the replay and imagine that style with the giants players

I don't think it would be terrible

However one thing I'm sure of is that we won't win a flag with Leon



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Danny88

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I wonder if there are many clubs that are actually really happy with the coaching group. Obviously Clarkson gets a huge wrap but even their fans get frustrated with him and his team selections

Swans get frustrated with team selections (especially picking veterans over kids)

West coast as Richmond we’re regularly critical of coaching but obviously eased off when they won a flag

These are teams with supposedly the strongest coaches in the league

My wondering is if it’s inherent in the afl community to be critical of coaching to try to change the things we cannot explain. This is not just giants related but league in general. The average afl supporter has such a simple working understanding of the intricacies of a game and the small battles and tactics that happen all over the ground I wonder if they just say- we played poorly we blame the coach.

Coaching seems to be in the spotlight at the moment- I reckon they are underpaid for the roles they play
 

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I wonder if there are many clubs that are actually really happy with the coaching group. Obviously Clarkson gets a huge wrap but even their fans get frustrated with him and his team selections

Swans get frustrated with team selections (especially picking veterans over kids)

West coast as Richmond we’re regularly critical of coaching but obviously eased off when they won a flag

These are teams with supposedly the strongest coaches in the league
I know a team you missed that has started a religion around their coaching group, which probably counts. ;)
 

sydney_gws

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Read some of the stories coming out about the toxic culture Lyon created

We don’t need that. We lose enough players each year without pushing them out the door with his crap
I am not disagreeing, but maybe Ross Lyons flaws are hidden if he has 6-7 a graders on the list. He did do a good job with st Kilda and freo 2012-2015. He also might be better having had his ego dented a bit
 

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