Gibbs is now a Crow

[Smoooothy]

Nah if we'd never persued him we'd have Lyons who would be filling that inside gap quite nicely.

he would have done a hammy by now

 

[Vhaluus]

What?

Lyons left a year before Gibbs got there, and it was only after he was wooed by the Suns and offered more $$$ and more midfield time.

What does Gibbs have to do with Lyons leaving?

We offered Lyons a terrible contract because we needed to free up cap space because we thought we were getting Gibbs that year.

 

[GROTTO]

Poor Gibbs, came to Adelaide with the expectations of playing with a superior midfield with Sloane, Brouch and Mrouch. Basically he has had to lead our midfield for most of this year.

 

[Malifice]

We offered Lyons a terrible contract because we needed to free up cap space because we thought we were getting Gibbs that year.

Really? What was Lyons on?

It couldn't have been more that a couple of hundred grand.

What's your source by the way?

 

[Vhaluus]

Really? What was Lyons on?

It couldn't have been more that a couple of hundred grand.

What's your source by the way?

He deserved more than that for his new contract though, as his current player rating indicates.

 

[Malifice]

He deserved more than that for his new contract though, as his current player rating indicates.

Nice deflection.

Again, he wasnt on more than a few hundred grand when he left for GCS, nor did he (at that stage of his career and based on what he had shown to that point) deserve much more.

You're blaming Gibbs for your own sides decision not to give Lyons more midfield time, or pay him more money.

Again, what is your source that Lyon was only shown the door because you needed SC space for Gibbs?

 

[NTRabbit]

Really? What was Lyons on?

It couldn't have been more that a couple of hundred grand.

What's your source by the way?

Nobody has exact numbers, but he was basically on the minimum, and was offered the same again on either a 1 or 2 year deal. Gold Coast offered him 3 years on a lot more. Lyon was the last stage in us drafting eleventy billion inside midfielders and then slowly working down via trade (Lyons, Kerridge) or delist (Grigg, Riley) to the ones the club wanted to keep.

 

[Malifice]

Nobody has exact numbers, but he was basically on the minimum, and was offered the same again on either a 1 or 2 year deal. Gold Coast offered him 3 years on a lot more. Lyon was the last stage in us drafting eleventy billion inside midfielders and then slowly working down via trade (Lyons, Kerridge) or delist (Grigg, Riley) to the ones the club wanted to keep.

I find it super weird for someone to claim that the Gibbs trade was the reason Adelaide didn't pay him the money he wanted.

The Gibbs trade wasn't even on the radar to right at the start of the trade period.

It looks to me as if Adelaide made the decision earlier in the year that they didn't want to (or couldn't) pay Lyons whatever it was he was asking. Gold Coast on the other hand, did.

Unless the club suddenly pulled the deal at the last minute and offloaded him to save a few hundred grand, specifically to make room for an 11th hour bid for Gibbs, which Vlahaus seems to be asserting was the case above, although with no source to back it up.

To me it just looks like Adelaide didn't rate him as a player and didnt think he would come on as he has done. To be fair to the Crows list management team he hadn't really done all that much to justify a hell of a lot of money at that point. They were faced with the option of pay him 400,000 odd a year or whatever the Suns were offering for a couple of years or letting him go.

Surely the decision on that was made months before the Gibbs thing happened.

 

[MRB37]

I find it super weird for someone to claim that the Gibbs trade was the reason Adelaide didn't pay him the money he wanted.

The Gibbs trade wasn't even on the radar to right at the start of the trade period.

It looks to me as if Adelaide made the decision earlier in the year that they didn't want to (or couldn't) pay Lyons whatever it was he was asking. Gold Coast on the other hand, did.

Unless the club suddenly pulled the deal at the last minute and offloaded him to save a few hundred grand, specifically to make room for an 11th hour bid for Gibbs, which Vlahaus seems to be asserting was the case above, although with no source to back it up.

To me it just looks like Adelaide didn't rate him as a player and didnt think he would come on as he has done. To be fair to the Crows list management team he hadn't really done all that much to justify a hell of a lot of money at that point. They were faced with the option of pay him 400,000 odd a year or whatever the Suns were offering for a couple of years or letting him go.

Surely the decision on that was made months before the Gibbs thing happened.

From what I was told, we originally had Lyons going to you guys in the Gibbs trade as the "best 22" player you wanted in the deal. Carlton turned that down pretty quickly, so we were kind of in limbo with not being able to/wanting to offer him much because we still expected Gibbs to be coming in, but also sort of trying to act like we wanted him so as to not completely blow his trade value. Gold Coast pretty much knew that though and didn't budge on offering a lousy pick for him.

From my understanding, it wasn't a case of "not rating" Lyons, but Pyke wanting a different mix through the midfield and felt that Lyons was a duplicate of what Matt brought. If we had everyone healthy, he'd be in the SANFL, but that wasn't due to a lack of talent.

 

[spenze]

I find it super weird for someone to claim that the Gibbs trade was the reason Adelaide didn't pay him the money he wanted.

The Gibbs trade wasn't even on the radar to right at the start of the trade period.

It looks to me as if Adelaide made the decision earlier in the year that they didn't want to (or couldn't) pay Lyons whatever it was he was asking. Gold Coast on the other hand, did.

Unless the club suddenly pulled the deal at the last minute and offloaded him to save a few hundred grand, specifically to make room for an 11th hour bid for Gibbs, which Vlahaus seems to be asserting was the case above, although with no source to back it up.

To me it just looks like Adelaide didn't rate him as a player and didnt think he would come on as he has done. To be fair to the Crows list management team he hadn't really done all that much to justify a hell of a lot of money at that point. They were faced with the option of pay him 400,000 odd a year or whatever the Suns were offering for a couple of years or letting him go.

Surely the decision on that was made months before the Gibbs thing happened.

I just flicked over ignored content to see who you were arguing with.

They're idiots, one of them probably isn't allowed to obtain a drivers licence

 

[Malifice]

From what I was told, we originally had Lyons going to you guys in the Gibbs trade as the "best 22" player you wanted in the deal.

From my understanding, it wasn't a case of "not rating" Lyons, but Pyke wanting a different mix through the midfield and felt that Lyons was a duplicate of what Matt brought. If we had everyone healthy, he'd be in the SANFL, but that wasn't due to a lack of talent.

Well that kinda confirms that the Adelaide list management team had sort of made up their mind on Lyons already well before the Gibbs deal.

To be honest I don't blame the Crows list management team here. It's fair to say we were all quite surprised with how Lyons has come on since going to the Suns.

 

[spenze]

To be honest I don't blame the Crows list management team here. It's fair to say we were all quite surprised with how Lyons has come on since going to the Suns.

Not really, his last year was pretty darn good for the Crows. The identification was there that we were too inside so one of him or CEY had to go, blessed with 190cms, CEY got the nod. We all knew how good he was, just wasn't a household name over the border, so his trade value wasn't high

 

[Drummond]

Poor Gibbs, came to Adelaide with the expectations of playing with a superior midfield with Sloane, Brouch and Mrouch. Basically he has had to lead our midfield for most of this year.

Awwwww the poor guy.

Needs to step up.

 

[Vhaluus]

From what I was told, we originally had Lyons going to you guys in the Gibbs trade as the "best 22" player you wanted in the deal. Carlton turned that down pretty quickly, so we were kind of in limbo with not being able to/wanting to offer him much because we still expected Gibbs to be coming in, but also sort of trying to act like we wanted him so as to not completely blow his trade value. Gold Coast pretty much knew that though and didn't budge on offering a lousy pick for him.

From my understanding, it wasn't a case of "not rating" Lyons, but Pyke wanting a different mix through the midfield and felt that Lyons was a duplicate of what Matt brought. If we had everyone healthy, he'd be in the SANFL, but that wasn't due to a lack of talent.

Top 30 in the AFL player ratings and you think he'd be playing SANFL?

He would push out a number of our best 22.

 

[Bicks]

Top 30 in the AFL player ratings and you think he'd be playing SANFL?

He would push out a number of our best 22.

Was it you that said he was inside the top 20 in the AFL ratings a couple of weeks ago?

 

[MRB37]

Top 30 in the AFL player ratings and you think he'd be playing SANFL?

He would push out a number of our best 22.

Which of Brad and Matt Crouch, Rory Sloane and Bryce Gibbs does he get a game ahead of?

You're using top 30 in the player rankings this year in a Suns midfield where he's the primary ball winner. He certainly wouldn't be putting up the same numbers with us in a fully healthy midfield.

 

[NTRabbit]

Which of Brad and Matt Crouch, Rory Sloane and Bryce Gibbs does he get a game ahead of?

You're using top 30 in the player rankings this year in a Suns midfield where he's the primary ball winner. He certainly wouldn't be putting up the same numbers with us in a fully healthy midfield.

Broken Crouch obviously.

 

[Vhaluus]

Which of Brad and Matt Crouch, Rory Sloane and Bryce Gibbs does he get a game ahead of?

You're using top 30 in the player rankings this year in a Suns midfield where he's the primary ball winner. He certainly wouldn't be putting up the same numbers with us in a fully healthy midfield.

Douglas?

Or we push Gibbs or Sloane to the outside rather than the inside and get rid of the spud called Mackay.

 

[kulak]

I'd argue pretty forcefully that Gibbs hasnt been the problem for you blokes this year; you've had injuries and Sloane has been down on form in the games he has played.

Weirdly when I look at M Crouch:

Ranked 16th in Handballs Per Game

Ranked 11th in Disposals Per Game

Ranked 7th in Uncontested Possessions Per Game

Ranked 11th in Effective Disposals Per Game

Crouch is getting a lot of it, but it's uncontested (bringing his effective disposals up).

Gibbs numbers pretty clearly place him in the top 20 mids in the comp at present, but I cant help but think his and Crouchs roles should be reversed.

Matt went at about 40 percent contested last year.

I would have liked to see that increase, like Tom Mitchell has done, up to say 50 percent contested.

Instead he has dropped to 31 percent. That’s approaching Kane Cornes territory. It’s not like he has the pace or range of disposal to be an elite outside player.

And right when we needed him to step up with the loss of Brad and Sloane.

Hard to imagine this is what Don Pyke’s plan calls for - Gibbs to go win the contest while Matt hangs back for the handball receive. Very strange.

 

[arrowman]

Gibbs' kicking has been all over the joint with Adelaide.

There hasn't been a game where he has connected well.

The Collingwood game was the only one where he appeared clear in the mind, and I assume that's because he was in his element playing a lone hand.

He'll come good. Particularly as lisfranc and groin return to the side.

"lisfranc and groin" lol

 

[King Elvis]

Hooray.

 

[hey shorty]

Hooray.

The Rabbit said he would have been the difference.

Not sure what for.

 

[treeman]

I never rated him.

Has been an average to good number 1 draft pick.

Maybe he could have been better if he was a Crow for life or at one of the better teams.

I know it's easy for me to say this now, I did get wrapped up in getting him to the club but I'd rather he never came considering his price.

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[Crowbling]

I came here to post that Gibbs is shit.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The dude has returned to Adelaide and put the cue in the rack.

Pull your finger out mate