Gibbs or Selwood

[Silvagnis]

In 2005 when Murphy was drafted, Selwood was being talked up by some as already better than him. Was absolutely considered a propsect for first pick at that stage, unitl he did his knee a few games into the TAC season. We're talking about a kid who still went at pick 7 in a super draft despite the fact he didn't play for pretty much the whole year due to, of all things, the dreaded knee reco. I think thats an indication of how highly rated he was.

That's your recollection of 2005, but I don't recall people pumping up Selwood in 2006 when Mojo and others were posting on the draft one year ago. All the focus was on Gibbs entering the draft because he was playing well in SANFL level as a 17 year old and favourite to be picked at one if the Crows missed out.

2005 shouldn't come into it.

 

[2011AndCounting]

The Cats wanted Boak because he has legspeed.

I guess your club have no idea.

According to the Herald Sun, Geelong rated Gibbs and Selwood as the best two midfielders and Boak as the best running midfielder with pace. Bryce and the other five players picked before Selwood have more potential for improvement. Gibbs vision and skills are as good as Selwood, yet Gibs doesn't have dodgy knees and isn't limited in the positions he can play.

There are still doubts on Selwood's knee lasting more than 150 games.

Pelchen said this to a group of Hawthorn supporters when he gave a talk on the draft and Hawthorn's selections in Canberra.

They overlooked Selwood for Thorp.

Selwood and Boak are both better than Gibbs.

Cant blaime 97% of YOU ALL for choosing Gibbs as you all love Carlton.

But lets get real guys

Selwood is a bloody champion and will continue to improve no end, How any one of you can honestly believe that he won't get better. C'MON.
Another Judd, Clubs were scared to take him at 1 because of old injuries,
Look what Judd did, and never re injured the shoulders, to date???
Boak , this kid will be a star no doubt about it, one of the reasons Port made a GF.

From a person with no ties to either club, I think you have a good player in Gibbs but he won't live up to his number 1 selection, he will be another Goddard.
You can't win them all.

Marc Murphy on the other hand.

He will be a gun if he isn't already, He and Selwood are very simular, without injury he would have won the RS also.

Peace

 

[Juddernaut08]

Question, who would you rather have looking back in hindsight, Selwood or Gibbs? Opposition supporters will give me heaps for this but i must say i would rather have Gibbs, he has had the worst luck last year, playing out of position, with a crap coach, in a team with no senior leadership. I'm happy we took Gibbs at #1 and i believe that being in the midfield with Judd & Murphy & Stevens next year that he will show us that he is a brilliant player.

What are your thoughts on him? Looking back would you prefer we took Selwood or are you happy we took Gibbs?

Gibbs. Selwood was basically able to run unaccountable all year, whereas people quickly forget that Gibbs did the hard tags on geniouses such as Hird.

 

[Monkey King]

That's your recollection of 2005, but I don't recall people pumping up Selwood in 2006 when Mojo and others were posting on the draft one year ago. All the focus was on Gibbs entering the draft because he was playing well in SANFL level as a 17 year old and favourite to be picked at one if the Crows missed out.

2005 shouldn't come into it.

Only if you're wanting to focus only on the things that support your argument and dismiss that which doesn't. The fact is, prior to his injury, Selwood had been discussed as a potential No.1 draft pick.

 

[DanA]

Joel Selwood is the most decorated first year player ever. He is the better player IMO. He is also the bigger risk though so it is understandable that Carlton took Giibs. Personally I think Carlton should have taken Leuenberger.

Joel Selwood's Career to date:
AFL:
- AFL Premiership Player - Youngest ever (19 years, 127 days)
- AFL McClelland Trophy
- AFL Rising Star Award - only player to win both a Premiership & Rising star in one year.
- AFLPA Best First Year Player Award
- Geelong F.C. Best First Year Player Award
- Most tackles in a season ever by a first year player (95)

Juniors:
- All-Australian U18 2005
- Vic Country U18 2005
- Barassi Medal 2005
- International rules series v.s Ireland 2005

 

[Salaryman]

And i'll still take Bryce any day of the week DanA. Not to mention he is 12 months younger than most draftees last year.

Stats are meaningless, give Bryce 12 months to catch up and insert him into the Geelong side and see how he goes. Premiership player in his first year...wouldn't have anything to do with the 21 players around him??

Not saying Joel isn't a great footballer and isn't going to have a great career, but your post really doesn't say much.

 

[Silvagnis]

Only if you're wanting to focus only on the things that support your argument and dismiss that which doesn't. The fact is, prior to his injury, Selwood had been discussed as a potential No.1 draft pick.

I wasn't dismissing anything, Gibbs was regularly spoken of as the favourite for number one late in 2005 and for most of 2006.

Mitch Clark was also favoured to be taken at one when he tied in the Kevin Sheehan medal with Deledio as a 16 year old and early in 2005.

But Murphy was the clear favourite to be taken at one just like Gibbs come draft day.

Clark fell because other kids showed more improvement in 2005 and have more upside than Clark who was monstering smaller opponents as a 16 year old. Players can improve of the course of twelve months and show more development than the player who was cutting it up as a junior.

Someone doesn't fall all the way to pick seven just because of injury.

Joel Selwood is the most decorated first year player ever. He is the better player IMO. He is also the bigger risk though so it is understandable that Carlton took Giibs. Personally I think Carlton should have taken Leuenberger.

Who cares if you think he is the most decorated first year player ever and won Geelong's best first year player. I wouldn't take Selwood ahead of Murphy, let alone Gibbs if they were in the same draft and we had picks one and two.

Gibbs has more potential than Leuenberger because he is a bottom age selection and can play anywhere.

You might have heard of the ruck we're favoured to pick at one this year.

Camporeale had a first year as good as Selwood's and won a flag in his debut season, yet White, Grant, Smith, Lucas, O'loughlin and Yze were better footballers and more consistent over the course of their careers.

You don't judge a draft in the first year.

The selection of Gibbs, Gumbleton, Hansen, Leuenberger, Boak and Thorp ahead of Selwood was a mistake.

 

[Silvagnis]

Vote now

 

[Monkey King]

Joel Selwood is the most decorated first year player ever. He is the better player IMO. He is also the bigger risk though so it is understandable that Carlton took Giibs. Personally I think Carlton should have taken Leuenberger.

Joel Selwood's Career to date:
AFL:
- AFL Premiership Player - Youngest ever (19 years, 127 days)
- AFL McClelland Trophy
- AFL Rising Star Award - only player to win both a Premiership & Rising star in one year.
- AFLPA Best First Year Player Award
- Geelong F.C. Best First Year Player Award
- Most tackles in a season ever by a first year player (95)

Juniors:
- All-Australian U18 2005
- Vic Country U18 2005
- Barassi Medal 2005
- International rules series v.s Ireland 2005

Not so impressive when you consider it's pretty much all the same award , just given by different bodies. As for premierships, it had as much to do with good timing.

IMHO, on assessment of potential, Gibbs will be the better player, but Selwood had by far the better year.

 

[Isandula]

At the moment you'd say Selwood cause jeez he did have a fantastic year. However, Gibbs can become the better player, he played in hell of a lot harder conditions, didn't get to really settle as he played here there and everywhere and I reckon his confidence took a battering as he was under a lot of pressure to preform. Selwood had it easier, surrounded by brilliant players and he did appear to be more physically developed than Gibbs which makes it easier, lets not forget he is also a year older.
Gibbs will be better his year with a better team and coach he will start to show is potential and show why he was chosen at pick 1.

 

[Salaryman]

At the moment you'd say Selwood cause jeez he did have a fantastic year. However, Gibbs can become the better player, he played in hell of a lot harder conditions, didn't get to really settle as he played here there and everywhere and I reckon his confidence took a battering as he was under a lot of pressure to preform. Selwood had it easier, surrounded by brilliant players and he did appear to be more physically developed than Gibbs which makes it easier, lets not forget he is also a year older.
Gibbs will be better his year with a better team and coach he will start to show is potential and show why he was chosen at pick 1.

Very true......it is hard to compare a kid who was asked to run around in the best midfield in the comp and a 17yo who was asked to do stopping jobs on blokes like Hird, Wirrpanda and Ebert. Selwood had a great year no doubt, and of course he will be more in the forefront of (most) opposition supporters consciousnesses. Some more astute observers like yourself Isandula will recognise some of the subtleties in drawing comparisons between their respective seasons.

 

[favourites]

Very funny thred, on one hand you have people saying Selwood has dodgy knees, but then saying how Hadley is going to be good for the Carlton.

Im with the Geelong supporters on this, for a young player to be on the biggest stage of all and hold up, you cant compare anything Gibbs has done or will do without saying if you took the draft again Selwood would go number 1.

It's not Carltons fault, the hype surrounding Gibbs was massive, he was ok without being anything too special, he has room for improvement, but so does selwood. Both will be good players in the future but for me Gibbs just doesn't look as natural a talent as Selwood at AFL level.

 

[Bluebear]

Very funny thred, on one hand you have people saying Selwood has dodgy knees, but then saying how Hadley is going to be good for the Carlton.

Im with the Geelong supporters on this, for a young player to be on the biggest stage of all and hold up, you cant compare anything Gibbs has done or will do without saying if you took the draft again Selwood would go number 1.

It's not Carltons fault, the hype surrounding Gibbs was massive, he was ok without being anything too special, he has room for improvement, but so does selwood. Both will be good players in the future but for me Gibbs just doesn't look as natural a talent as Selwood at AFL level.

and you can't compare two kids in vastly different teams surrounded by vastly different players, with vastly different coaches.

Lets revisit this thread in 12 months.

And to the token Tiges supporter, they are all doing better than your kids, so save your whinging for the 24th when we can expect another throng of you on here whinging about tanking (which is ironic given your games vs Saints) etc and how you sould have gotten the first pick blah blah ****ety blah...............look forward to it.

 

[Salaryman]

Very funny thred, on one hand you have people saying Selwood has dodgy knees, but then saying how Hadley is going to be good for the Carlton.

Im with the Geelong supporters on this, for a young player to be on the biggest stage of all and hold up, you cant compare anything Gibbs has done or will do without saying if you took the draft again Selwood would go number 1.

It's not Carltons fault, the hype surrounding Gibbs was massive, he was ok without being anything too special, he has room for improvement, but so does selwood. Both will be good players in the future but for me Gibbs just doesn't look as natural a talent as Selwood at AFL level.

What's a thred??

As if we needed it, but yet another Collingwood supporter with a below average IQ to reinforce the stereotype

I can almost 100% guarantee you that if we were to run the '06 draft again this Saturday week before the '07 draft that WH would call out "player number double one, double one, six, eight, Bryce Gibbs" once more.

 

[mediumsizered]

Joel Selwood is the most decorated first year player ever. He is the better player IMO. He is also the bigger risk though so it is understandable that Carlton took Giibs. Personally I think Carlton should have taken Leuenberger.

Joel Selwood's Career to date:
AFL:
- AFL Premiership Player - Youngest ever (19 years, 127 days)
- AFL McClelland Trophy
- AFL Rising Star Award - only player to win both a Premiership & Rising star in one year.
- AFLPA Best First Year Player Award
- Geelong F.C. Best First Year Player Award
- Most tackles in a season ever by a first year player (95)

Juniors:
- All-Australian U18 2005
- Vic Country U18 2005
- Barassi Medal 2005
- International rules series v.s Ireland 2005

Where did you get this from? Without doing any research at all, I can tell you that Robert Walls was 18 years, 2 months & Brent Crosswell just under 18 years, 2 months, when they played in Carlton's 1968 premiership side.

 

[Donstuie]

Love it when people seperate VFL and AFL stats to suit their argument

 

[HBF]

Love it when people seperate VFL and AFL stats to suit their argument

Yep. There's always some stat, something, that you can use to prove your point.

 

[Salaryman]

Yep. There's always some stat, something, that you can use to prove your point.

Such as 99.98% of the general population are taller than HBF?

 

[DanA]

Such as 99.98% of the general population are taller than HBF?

See you are manipulating the data. By saying general population you are excluding short people, dwarfs and children under 5.

Fact of the matter is has won a premiership medallion and the rising star award in his 1st year of football. That makes him the most decorated first year player ever.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Selwood will always get a tick with me after the Tattoo incident - Piss funny!

But as a player, Gibbs wins hands down. Gibbs has raw talent but played in a side that had no true leadership (under Pagan). You need a foundation to build a house, we now have the foundation for Gibbs to be built into a mansion!!!

Selwood can't get any better.

LOL! what a stupid comment!

 

[Tristagi]

either way I would be happy..

If Gibbs was at Geelong and Selwood was at Carlton Gibbs would have done all that Selwood did this year and Selwood would have copped the criticism that Gibbs did.

Gibbs suffered that he would have been up against the teams second best midfielder all year due to Nick Stevens injury and Marc Murphy being the best midfielder. Gibbs was hidden down back a bit this year to prevent this, but next year I expect him to have a better year Selwood. He'll have Judd and Stevens taking off the heat from him, much the same way Selwood had Ablett and Bartel taking most of the opositions focus each week..

Either way, both players will be great and will eventually captain their team, im just glad we didn't get soft co*k Pendlebury

 

[BlueBelle]

either way I would be happy..

If Gibbs was at Geelong and Selwood was at Carlton Gibbs would have done all that Selwood did this year and Selwood would have copped the criticism that Gibbs did.

Gibbs suffered that he would have been up against the teams second best midfielder all year due to Nick Stevens injury and Marc Murphy being the best midfielder. Gibbs was hidden down back a bit this year to prevent this, but next year I expect him to have a better year Selwood. He'll have Judd and Stevens taking off the heat from him, much the same way Selwood had Ablett and Bartel taking most of the opositions focus each week..

Either way, both players will be great and will eventually captain their team, im just glad we didn't get soft co*k Pendlebury

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[DBAH0]

Gibbs. Selwood was basically able to run unaccountable all year, whereas people quickly forget that Gibbs did the hard tags on geniouses such as Hird.

Selwood actually did some tagging jobs in 2007 as well. Tagged Pearce from Port in 1 game IIRC.

 

[HBF]

Such as 99.98% of the general population are taller than HBF?

Time for a new gag Gilly. This one died some time ago.

 

[mediumsizered]

Selwood actually did some tagging jobs in 2007 as well. Tagged Pearce from Port in 1 game IIRC.

Round 9, 2007 Danyle Pearce v Geelong 23 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles, in a team that lost by 56 points. Pearce's 5th highest disposal game for the season.