Analysis Goal Kicking

[Paul_Barnard]

EFC goal kicking has now completely debilitated our football club's on field performances.
I am sick and tired of watching players from other clubs effortlessly guide the ball through the goals from each set shot, yet when it comes to Essendon, anyone could miss from 20m out and not one of us would be surprised.
Is there even one player who you would consider to be a good set shot at essendon?
Each year inaccuracy costs us so many games and so much momentum in quarters. We almost never put score board pressure on the opposition.
We can add the Stkilda game to a list of many we have lost in the last 5 years simply due to not being able to execute the most fundamental component of AFL football.
CAN THE COACHES ADDRESS THIS!!!!!

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Laverde and langford are the best shots at essendon.

 

[eth-dog]

Brent Stanton is an excellent set shot. I don't recall Cooney missing too many over his career, and Bellchambers pre-ankle injury was reliable. Brown too before the past couple of weeks

 

[Despair]

It's a shame Ambrose doesn't have better forward-craft, because he is our best set shot for goal imo.

He has a very stiff looking action, but he can bang them from outside 50 quite easily. Kicked 13 goals 3 behinds in his 1st season (2014).

 

[Howard Moon]

is there more to it than just kicking?

are we being forced to take shots from wide or from distance by our opposition?

 

[calyam]

is there more to it than just kicking?

are we being forced to take shots from wide or from distance by our opposition?

This would need to be assessed before we can arrive at any real conclusions. My assumption would be that yes we are taking more low percentage shots because we don't have the ability to get shots in higher percentage areas. Of course we also tend to miss a lot of shots that most talented footballers should be able to kick with ease.

 

[Howard Moon]

For players who’ve kicked 300 goals or more — a group including 174 players — Lockett is clearly ranked first for accuracy, with 1360 goals compared to 590 behinds for a percentage of 69.74.
Peter Hudson’s incredible five-or-so seasons of brilliance see him second at 68.8 per cent (727 goals to 330 behinds), with Matthew Lloyd at close behind in third at 68.6 per cent (926 goals to 424 behinds).

So the absolute best in the caper kicked bit over 2 goals for every behind.

Buddy’s career accuracy is 58.4 per cent
Gary Ablett Sr. was at 59.8 per cent.

From what i can see the league aveage is around 52%

So league norm players nearly miss for every time they score.

If we are arguing what professionals who are paid to excute their skill should be attaining... - im sure a miss every other shot isnt acceptable... but thats what the facts say.

JD has 89 goals 75 - seems plum in that % zone of average kick for goal, no?


edit: i assume these are not all set shots - so that throws things out the window. anyone know where to find SET SHOT stats?

 

[frenchfri12]

Why don't they just kick like they are kicking to a player standing 20 meters behind the goals? They make 50m passes in the field 90% of the time.

 

[Eleven 38]

The thing about buddy is even though he misses a lot if there's a goal to be kicked he kicks it. Pressure goals are the most important ones. And he slams them all home.


We are in a season where we've lost 10+ games in a row every player is down on confidence at the moment, its a hard thing to turn around. I think next year with the return of a full side will bring a lot of confidence and goal kicking will improve with it.

I don't think we can blame bad goal kicking for lack of confidence. But we can blame lack of confidence for bad goal kicking.

JD passed the ball off inside 50 yesterday, totally put of character, his confidence is shot too pieces.

 

[Paul_Barnard]

Why don't they just kick like they are kicking to a player standing 20 meters behind the goals? They make 50m passes in the field 90% of the time.

100% agree with this..
Hawthorn never ever miss and each set shot is regularly only 5m above the umpires head...
Its as if they are passing it to the goal umpire..
Daniher on the other hand, tries to hit row z with every set shot..

 

[eth-dog]

Also don't get why people find field kicking easier than goal kicking. I'm a shithouse field kick but would back myself to kick a goal 7/10

 

[frenchfri12]

Also don't get why people find field kicking easier than goal kicking.

Because its statistically proven

 

[Howard Moon]

Just listening to Mark Allen talking about goal kicking (weird I know)

He said as a golfer in practice the key was to put pressure on himself. At the end of each session he had to make 10 putts left to right then 10 right to left , he couldn't leave til he got them all, sometimes took 5 mins, sometimes took 2 hours.

He was asked to go to the Calder cannons to help with goal kicking, he instigated a finishing thing where the players had to make 5 goals from 15m front. 5 goals 15m 45degrees left, 5 goals 15m 45 degrees right.

First night, 2 hours passed, never even got past phase two.. parevts were like, we have to go home !

But as time passed the kids realised they had a flaw if they couldn't even do this drill and began to fix their own flaws before it becomes to late.

He had great success at caldef for three years (pre jd)

He reckons like putting it's not all about set shot routine, that's only 30%

It's routine, visualising then rhythm.

Every time you take a kick the rhythm must be identical... How many players think about rhythm?

A routine should be pre kick set up, visualise kicking the goal, set rhythm in on goal.

 

[frenchfri12]

He was asked to go to the Calder cannons to help with goal kicking, he instigated a finishing thing where the players had to make 5 goals from 15m front. 5 goals 15m 45degrees left, 5 goals 15m 45 degrees right.

They couldn't kick 15 goals in 2 hours?

 

[Howard Moon]

They couldn't kick 15 goals in 2 hours?

Nup! Try listen to a pod of it, was just on the run home

 

[Runk]

Just listening to Mark Allen talking about goal kicking (weird I know)

He said as a golfer in practice the key was to put pressure on himself. At the end of each session he had to make 10 putts left to right then 10 right to left , he couldn't leave til he got them all, sometimes took 5 mins, sometimes took 2 hours.

He was asked to go to the Calder cannons to help with goal kicking, he instigated a finishing thing where the players had to make 5 goals from 15m front. 5 goals 15m 45degrees left, 5 goals 15m 45 degrees right.

First night, 2 hours passed, never even got past phase two.. parevts were like, we have to go home !

But as time passed the kids realised they had a flaw if they couldn't even do this drill and began to fix their own flaws before it becomes to late.

He had great success at caldef for three years (pre jd)

He reckons like putting it's not all about set shot routine, that's only 30%

It's routine, visualising then rhythm.

Every time you take a kick the rhythm must be identical... How many players think about rhythm?

A routine should be pre kick set up, visualise kicking the goal, set rhythm in on goal.

So to sum up: JD's back swing is shite

 

[MightyDons4]

Also don't get why people find field kicking easier than goal kicking. I'm a shithouse field kick but would back myself to kick a goal 7/10

Much easier to kick with momentum and fix your eyes onto a target. Many players walk in and either overcompensate and change their kicking style or just kick it in a general region instead of a specific point when taking set shots.

 

[Eleven 38]

Just listening to Mark Allen talking about goal kicking (weird I know)

He said as a golfer in practice the key was to put pressure on himself. At the end of each session he had to make 10 putts left to right then 10 right to left , he couldn't leave til he got them all, sometimes took 5 mins, sometimes took 2 hours.

He was asked to go to the Calder cannons to help with goal kicking, he instigated a finishing thing where the players had to make 5 goals from 15m front. 5 goals 15m 45degrees left, 5 goals 15m 45 degrees right.

First night, 2 hours passed, never even got past phase two.. parevts were like, we have to go home !

But as time passed the kids realised they had a flaw if they couldn't even do this drill and began to fix their own flaws before it becomes to late.

He had great success at caldef for three years (pre jd)

He reckons like putting it's not all about set shot routine, that's only 30%

It's routine, visualising then rhythm.

Every time you take a kick the rhythm must be identical... How many players think about rhythm?

A routine should be pre kick set up, visualise kicking the goal, set rhythm in on goal.

I'm pretty sure JD is good at visualising, only problem is at he moment he's visualising missing the goal by 6metres.

 

[Howard Moon]

Michael Symons used to kick on the run, even on a set shot

 

[Foxx]

Problem with Daniher is he has lost confidence due to bad results from a bad ball drop.
The difference between a field kick and goal kicking is the ball drop for a field kick is half that of a set shot.
Then you add time to think.

I'm sure if he fixed his ball drop, he will start slotting a few more and his confidence will increase, eliminating the negative thoughts creeping in from the time to think aspect.

 

[Paul_Barnard]

This topic goes way past JD people..
It is the entire list that struggles to kick goals..

 

[Summer Nights]

I'm a big believer in a positive correlation between fitness/conditioning and accuracy.

It's no surprise that our team held together by sticky tape, chewing gum and newborn babies gets jelly legs in front of goal.

 

[Mootsy]

Been one of the worst performing forward lines for many years now...

It's no surprise..

 

[Paul_Barnard]

I'm a big believer in a positive correlation between fitness/conditioning and accuracy.

It's no surprise that our team held together by sticky tape, chewing gum and newborn babies gets jelly legs in front of goal.

Goal kicking issues at essendon have existed for over 7 seasons..
This season is nothing new..

 

[eth-dog]

Much easier to kick with momentum and fix your eyes onto a target. Many players walk in and either overcompensate and change their kicking style or just kick it in a general region instead of a specific point when taking set shots.

That explains it. With me, instead of trying to hit someone approximately 170-190 cm tall and 40 cm wide is harder than kicking it between 2 sticks that theoretically go infinitely high and, what, 5 metres wide?