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Describes Geelong from 2007 - 09 to a tee as well.
Difference being that both of those teams made the most of their attacking plays and had plenty of mids who could kick them from outside 50 when there was flooding. Melbourne's only consistent theme these past few years seems to be butchering inside 50 kicks.
 
So we are sticking with top 4 isn't top 4 because...?
You know that's not how "Top 4" actually works right? The Top 4 are the teams that make a prelim, which is how the draft order is decided.
 
So we are sticking with top 4 isn't top 4 because...?

Not winding you up, but if your thesis is Goodwin couldn't coach, I disagree. Denigrating his footy brain seems silly when his footy record speaks for itself.

He was given some gun players, so were Voss, Fly, Pyke, Buckley etc.

Maybe he should've been sacked for his personal problems, sure the gambling and alleged drugs are his problem, but recruiting, extending him, the silly contracts for Tracc and Clarry, thats the club.
I've said that a proper top 4 finish is making a preliminary final at minimum. Being in the top 4 at the end of the H and A season counts for nothing if you can't win a final.

As for his record, he has only won a final in two of his nine seasons and hasn't won a final at the MCG since 2018.

This is how I see Goodwin's tenure:
1 great year- 2021
1 very good year- 2018
4 underperforming seasons- 2017, 2020, 2022, 2023
3 poor seasons- 2019, 2024, 2025

As far as premiership coaches go, he has a very underwhelming record.
 
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I've said that a proper top 4 finish is making a preliminary final at minimum. Being in the top 4 at the end of the H and A season counts for nothing if you can't win a final.

As for his record, he has only won a final in two of his nine seasons and hasn't one a final at the MCG since 2018.

This is how I see Goodwin's tenure:
1 great year- 2021
1 very good year- 2018
4 underperforming seasons- 2017, 2020, 2022, 2023
3 poor seasons- 2019, 2024, 2025

As far as premiership coaches go, he has a very underwhelming record.
Fair enough, I guess I'm more easily satisfied.

It's painful whenever a coach leaves and plenty will want to stick the boots, tell em to gagf.

I think you need a change at board level, but thats not up to me.
 
All that love and connection …love love love and connection connection connection… just vanished !

Sounds like some of the players are heartbroken by the whole circus 😢

 
So we are sticking with top 4 isn't top 4 because...?
Top 4 is making the Prelims, that's how it works in the draft order too and that's the 'final' ladder position.
The lions last year finished 5th at the end of the home and away season , but they finished first overall and were premiers in 2024.


Nobody can convince me that going out in straight sets 2 years in a row is anything but a failure.
 
All that love and connection …love love love and connection connection connection… just vanished !

Sounds like some of the players are heartbroken by the whole circus 😢

Hardly surprising that some players will be upset and some won’t.
 
A better more mature coach that didn't indulge in illicit activities with players may have a won flag faster and prevented the downward spiral of the past 3 years in the first place but I guess we will never know.
I know this is probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I don't really care, from a professional perspective, whether a player/coach gets on the bags or not. Pretty clearly it's not good for them, but it's not as though it's cheating.
 
I know this is probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I don't really care, from a professional perspective, whether a player/coach gets on the bags or not. Pretty clearly it's not good for them, but it's not as though it's cheating.
How does Goodwin "allegedly" getting on the bags with Oliver and drinking with May help them? Oliver went completely off the rails and May bashed his partner.
The coach is supposed to provide leadership, not enable the worst in them.

Your take is probably the worst I've read on Bigfooty - saying you don't care if a coach - who has a history of gambling on games, assusliung people, using performance enhancing drugs - is off the rails, drugged up with the players. is just stupid.
 

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Your take is probably the worst I've read on Bigfooty - saying you don't care if a coach - who has a history of gambling on games, assusliung people, using performance enhancing drugs - is off the rails, drugged up with the players. is just stupid.
'is on the bags' is very different to everything you've just said. For the record, of all the things you've listed there, taking coke is least worst of it.
 
I know this is probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I don't really care, from a professional perspective, whether a player/coach gets on the bags or not. Pretty clearly it's not good for them, but it's not as though it's cheating.

Depends. If it's any kind of illegal activity he should be sacked immediately.

You've either got standards or you don't. Most footy clubs (all of them in reality) don't.
 
Premiership coach. If he got a job at tiger land as an assistant, I’d be happy.

Not for mine. Waaaay too much baggage across:

  • PED's (remember "The Good Stuff" with Dank at Essendon?)
  • illicit drug use innuendo (where there's smoke there's fire).

I'm not saying he can't coach. Just that his off-field activities have distracted him from what coaching.
 
Depends. If it's any kind of illegal activity he should be sacked immediately.

You've either got standards or you don't. Most footy clubs (all of them in reality) don't.
Mine (and I think most) have a sliding scale. We traded in three KPP in the late 1990s about the same time: Jonathon Ross, Trent Hotton, and Aaron James. These three geniuses decided to have a pre-season night out together, got drunk, something happened in a nightclub (involving urine? I forget).

We sacked Ross on the spot, sacked Hotton a year later and kept James on for another 2 years or so. Their punishments reflected their respective ability (Ross not great, Hotton ok, James actually showed promise) which is utterly immoral, but thoroughly pragmatic.

I do love the moral high ground but you know, we're a big club and the moral high ground just can't fit such a big club on it.
Bomba went off the rails once her returned to Bomberland. It had nothing to do with us, Geelong kept him on the straight and narrow if anything. The same can be said of Dank and the Weap.

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Mine (and I think most) have a sliding scale. We traded in three KPP in the late 1990s about the same time: Jonathon Ross, Trent Hotton, and Aaron James. These three geniuses decided to have a pre-season night out together, got drunk, something happened in a nightclub (involving urine? I forget).
Yeah, I remember when Carlton sacked Bootsma for indiscretions, and the near-universal conclusion was that he mustn't be very good at football ;)

It wasn't that long after this incident that Dane Swan managed to get away with his career after causing a brain injury to a cleaner on a night out. I'm not saying Geelong is innocent on this either, of course - we have a very low-profile-but-also-high-profile issue of our own right now.

I think my main point in all of this, is that taking drugs - especially if it's away from the football club - isn't good, but the things you do to others are much worse.
 
Setting a culture that says being out on the coke as a professional athlete is ok is a massive problem. If you don't get that, you're not all there.
... prepare to be absolutely shocked at the number of players who do coke.

It's not ideal, but I'd suggest that things like, say, betting on your own game, assaulting or threatening others, wilful property damage (hello Clayton Oliver) and performance enhancing drug usage are far worse things for a player/team/coach to do.
 
Yeah, I remember when Carlton sacked Bootsma for indiscretions, and the near-universal conclusion was that he mustn't be very good at football ;)

It wasn't that long after this incident that Dane Swan managed to get away with his career after causing a brain injury to a cleaner on a night out. I'm not saying Geelong is innocent on this either, of course - we have a very low-profile-but-also-high-profile issue of our own right now.

I think my main point in all of this, is that taking drugs - especially if it's away from the football club - isn't good, but the things you do to others are much worse.

We've had plenty of others too - at the major end Stokes and Jesse Stringer, at the minor end David Johnson and Selwood etc.

I'd be curious to hear of any discussion at a footy club where drug use is tolerated in any way, shape, or form. Or why it would be.
 

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