Got a Random Question? Ask it Here. (Part 2)

[Narkee]

Cheers for that BTG!

 

[senrulzisback]

They also got thumped, so it would suggest that it wasn't a very succesful tactic. Batram played that role a few time last year, an emergency last game and wouldn't suprise me if he comes in.

Are you saying that Collngwood won't thump the dees? That Melbourne actually have a chance? Even if they tag every single backman in the Collingwood team, they will still win the game with ease and their players will still perform well. I mean come on, seriously, this is Melbourne we are talking about, they aren't going to shut down anyone successfully for the time being.

The difference between you guys and collingwood is exactly as you've said, the hawks have a multitude or running backmen, whereas Shaw is the main guy setting up plays for Collingwood. Add to that his excellent reading of the play and ability to help teammates out, as well as his susceptibility to a tag in the past, you can be sure that he'll be one of the first candidates for a tag.

Yes, but Melbourne didn't tag any of our running backmen. Not one.

I agree, had some terrible scores last year and struggled badly with breaking the forward tag to the point of boiling over in frustration.

The guy is only 24 years old. Ever thought that maybe at the age of 21-23 he didn't have the body to handle a tag? He had the potential when he was free, but didn't have the strength to deal with a tagger.

Now at 24 years old I see that he has developed into a better player, and he will learn to deal with tags. Just because he couldn't handle a tag when he was 22, doesn't mean he won't be able to handle one for his whole career.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Cheers for that BTG!

It took probably 100 posts and a lot of popcorn, but your question was answered.

 

[senrulzisback]

It's not a matter of having a forward tagger in a team or not. It is however about putting attention on a half-back who is very dangerous. I.E If I was a coach I would not put a tag on anyone who plays for richmond (They turn the ball over so much it actually helps you not tagging them ) same goes for Melbourne. However Collingwood has Heath Shaw who is dangerous and will attract attention, especially after his good game on the weekend. St.Kilda have Goddard and Gram who are brilliant by foot. Geelong have Enright, and Mackie. Sydney have Kennelly, the list goes on. i think Shaw will have some massive scores but I guarentee you he will have his fair share of <60 scores this year.

So you think that all those players there will have their fair share of <60 scores this year?

My point was that Melbourne will not be able to stop Heath Shaw as they do not have a quality tagger. It isn't as easy as throwing any player onto him and, bang, he won't do well.

 

[Cat for Life]

Are you saying that Collngwood won't thump the dees? That Melbourne actually have a chance? Even if they tag every single backman in the Collingwood team, they will still win the game with ease and their players will still perform well. I mean come on, seriously, this is Melbourne we are talking about, they aren't going to shut down anyone successfully for the time being.

Yes, but Melbourne didn't tag any of our running backmen. Not one.


The guy is only 24 years old. Ever thought that maybe at the age of 21-23 he didn't have the body to handle a tag? He had the potential when he was free, but didn't have the strength to deal with a tagger.

Now at 24 years old I see that he has developed into a better player, and he will learn to deal with tags. Just because he couldn't handle a tag when he was 22, doesn't mean he won't be able to handle one for his whole career.

They'll still get thumped but they'll be more competitive tagging shaw, just because you won't win the game doesn't mean you shouldn't try to improve tactically.

Also I think you missed my point regarding the hawks backmen. With so many capable of playing the qb role there is less point to put a forward tag on as someone else will just step into the role. With Collingwood if you shut shaw down, it forces someone else who is less effective in the position to step up. Hence, the tactic is more effective when used on collingwood and more likely to be employed.

 

[westcoasthardman]

should i down grade scott stevens for ballintine and upgrade harbrow to currazzo? If not now when?
scored 2119 with them in

 

[Jolldo87]

should i down grade scott stevens for ballintine and upgrade harbrow to currazzo? If not now when?

Ask yourself why you picked Harbrow/Stevens. You obviously saw some sort of improvement in them to pick them up. Has this changed after round 1? Are they playing are different role to what you expected? It was only one week, don't let that cloud your judgement too much.

At the very least i'd give them another week. Just remember Harbrow/Stevens could easily rip it up this week and Carrazzo/Ballantyne could have a shocker which would change your views once again.

 

[senrulzisback]

They'll still get thumped but they'll be more competitive tagging shaw, just because you won't win the game doesn't mean you shouldn't try to improve tactically.

Also I think you missed my point regarding the hawks backmen. With so many capable of playing the qb role there is less point to put a forward tag on as someone else will just step into the role. With Collingwood if you shut shaw down, it forces someone else who is less effective in the position to step up. Hence, the tactic is more effective when used on collingwood and more likely to be employed.

No, I think you missed my point that even if you put a tag on Shaw, that doesn't mean he will just fall to pieces. He is playing Melbourne, and it's most likely that he should be able to deal with a tag from one of their players.

 

[Knight Ryders]

Re Heath Shaw. I think the way he played 2+ seasons ago as opposed to the end of last season and this season is that he has played more of the one-on-one positions whilst Maxwell has played the loose man in defence. If they start tagging Shaw, he will move on to a more dangerous forward (say Brad Green this week), and Maxwell will be freed up. Shaw might not get 140, but he showed towards the latter half of last year that he is still capable of posting a good score when he is minding a good player. Many rate Shaw as a loose get half backer, but if you watch him closely, he very rarely gets beaten in a one-on-one situation. He now has more than one string to his bow.

 

[Hirdy_5]

No, I think you missed my point that even if you put a tag on Shaw, that doesn't mean he will just fall to pieces. He is playing Melbourne, and it's most likely that he should be able to deal with a tag from one of their players.

Shaw has had a history of not being able to deal with a tag.

 

[Cat for Life]

Maybe, maybe not. All I'm sure of is that he will get tagged a fair few times this year, and that he won't get to play Melbourne every week.

 

[senrulzisback]

You can't say that. He is a young kid. If you put a tag on Dustin Martin for this whole year and he didn't get much possesion, that wouldn't mean that he won't be able to deal with a tag later in his career.

Shaw has had a history of not being able to deal with tags. That means absolutely nothing. You can't use the player's early times in their careers as history, or as a guide. Shaw, was still a young developing player, now he has stepped into that age bracket where is fully built physically, and should be able to handle a tag much better than in previous years.

 

[senrulzisback]

Maybe, maybe not. All I'm sure of is that he will get tagged a fair few times this year, and that he won't get to play Melbourne every week.

Fair enough, but just because he cops a tag, doesn't mean he will score terribly.

 

[Spoony]

Shaw has had a history of not being able to deal with a tag.

Players take time to develop to the point where tags to not affect them much, every good midfielder goes through a point where they have to adjust to dealing with a tag. Shaw may have reached to point where he can now step up and throw the tag off. We will have to wait and see if this happens. Also he may have a history of not playing well for DT purposes when tagged but you have ignored what senrulzisback said, "I think you missed my point that even if you put a tag on Shaw, that doesn't mean he will just fall to pieces". What he is saying is that even when tagged Shaw is still capable of scoring reasonably well, hopefully this year Shaw will develop to the point where a tag affects him allot less than in previous years.

 

[spence]

Fair enough, but just because he cops a tag, doesn't mean he will score terribly.

It is a lot harder harder for a half-back rebounder to break a tag, as he is not around the contests as much as a midfielder for example. Midfielders can be tagged whilst still scoring well, as they can tackle still get inside possessions, or run their ass off their opponent. Where as shaw is relied to stay back and deliver the ball to the forwards, a tagger can shut him down easily, he cant get all the inside tackles etc.

 

[senrulzisback]

It is a lot harder harder for a half-back rebounder to break a tag, as he is not around the contests as much as a midfielder for example. Midfielders can be tagged whilst still scoring well, as they can tackle still get inside possessions, or run their ass off their opponent. Where as shaw is relied to stay back and deliver the ball to the forwards, a tagger can shut him down easily, he cant get all the inside tackles etc.

But most of his points weren't even from running off half back. Alot of them were cheap marks and kicks in the second half. Even if tagged, he can just run further back and pick up cheap touches from kick ins to get himself into the match.

 

[Narkee]

It took probably 100 posts and a lot of popcorn, but your question was answered.

Hahhaha yeh finally!

In what I thought was a rather simple question turned out to be a 10 page debacle!

 

[banana_bus]

Ask yourself why you picked Harbrow/Stevens. You obviously saw some sort of improvement in them to pick them up. Has this changed after round 1? Are they playing are different role to what you expected? It was only one week, don't let that cloud your judgement too much.

At the very least i'd give them another week. Just remember Harbrow/Stevens could easily rip it up this week and Carrazzo/Ballantyne could have a shocker which would change your views once again.

Great advice and should be duly noted.

 

[Hirdy_5]

Players take time to develop to the point where tags to not affect them much, every good midfielder goes through a point where they have to adjust to dealing with a tag. Shaw may have reached to point where he can now step up and throw the tag off. We will have to wait and see if this happens. Also he may have a history of not playing well for DT purposes when tagged but you have ignored what senrulzisback said, "I think you missed my point that even if you put a tag on Shaw, that doesn't mean he will just fall to pieces". What he is saying is that even when tagged Shaw is still capable of scoring reasonably well, hopefully this year Shaw will develop to the point where a tag affects him allot less than in previous years.

From my point of view, Shaw is still the same player he has been for the past 2-3 years, both from a body point of view in relation to size and endurace and his role in the team has been the same, a running half back flanker. So I don't know why everyone is saying, now he will be able to handle the tag, when we have seen nothing to suggest this.

In the past 2-3 years, the running defender has completely changed the game. These blokes can win a game by themselves, the way the run, carry and set up the play. These guys aren't just another small forward, small defender who come a dime a dozen. They have great knowledge of were to run, how to find the pill and they know how to use it.

So coaches arn't going to just leave these blokes to pick up 25-30 touches a game, that would be suicidle, they will carve you up. Courtney Dempsey, Jason Gram, Brendon Goddard, Heath Shaw, Rhyce Shaw, Jarrod Hardbrow, these blokes will tear teams apart if left alone. These guys aren't 'defenders' they don't defend, they set up.

Some teams may but thier best tagger on these types of blokes, I recall Kane Cornes doing this a few times last year. But most coaches will but a defesive forward on them. This defensive forward will make the running defender acountable, and shut down thier run and carry. They will take them deep inside 50, were they are useless.

Shaw will be tagged this year. Sure, he may be playing Melbourne this week, who are a young side who probably arn't going to put up much of a fight and most of thier players are just learning the ropes, but when Shaw comes up against some of the better sides, he will be shut down. The Dogs didn't do this on the weekend and look what he did. Although, he did only score 66 against Melbourne last year.

Shaw, In the past has shown that he hasnt been the best at breaking the tag. Sure, he may have lernt now, and be able to break it, but we havnt seen this yet. He did have some low numbers against teams last year.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

One thing that can't be denied is that Shaw just racked up 140+ against one of the premiership favourites. He is likely to have quite a few more junktime opportunities in what appears to be a stronger Collingwood team this year.

He trained/played with the midfielders in pre-season and has been elevated to the leadership group. This maturing and better standing within the team could mean his demands for the pill are honoured more often.

One thing in his favour is the rolling zone can suffer some structural issues if really tight forward tags are applied so there is a chance he might avoid a few of these. Also in typical Shaw fashion he can burn the ball at times and the opposition would prefer the pill in his hands rather than a Didak, Pendlebury or Ball when kicking into the forward 50.

Looks like his average will improve. By how much, who knows.

 

[archiemoses]

With regards to Heater, obviously there is less risk this year with his selection due to his lower price. So his selection is justified and there is also the possibility of rotating him through the midfield, but then Collingwood have a plethora of midfielders.

How many teams in the Scumbags and Tossers leagues have Heath Shaw? From what I have read above, it seems not many.

 

[holybishop]

Heath Shaw will be no different to every other year. He'll excel against teams who let him run free, and he'll be as crap as they get when he gets the forward tag. He's never been able to cope with a hard tag, has shown nothing to indicate he's been able to shrug the tag, and anyone who thinks that this year will be different is delusional.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I know the whole debacle thing is over and im glad it is. Im also going to take this opportunity to take away what i said about EDT and that i hate them. I dont and am unsure why i said it. Maybe because FFC instilled this into me during my time there. I mean we had threads on EDT.

But as BTG stated you guys draft on rankings and not guys just interested in DT and footy. I mean sure the guys on there probably are interested in those things but if they didnt rank well one year they wouldnt be in EDT. This is why i hope FFC knock you off because they brang people in who hadnt ranked well in the past at all and we were purley bringing people in based on there posting. You guys draft people in based on ranking so your leauge always wins, to me i feel thats why i may have said your in it for the wrong reason and BTG reiterated this.

As for any general DT BF user. All these top line people who have been around for yonkers will always stick by eachothers side. There all good online friends. Dogs, Sparts, BTG, Baxters ect. They are all linked in different ways so they will always back eachother up.

As for getting kicked out i know it was because i stood upto spartz and him saying if you dont pick Pav or Buddy based on there NAB there your gonna get the flick. This didnt just happen to me it happened to others aswell. Know one else had the guts to stand up and i did and thus copped the penalty but i would rather not be in there, than being in there and being controlled like that. Sure after i was canned other posters may have wanted me out aswell but thats because im a hated man (and i love it). It was never going to change once people knew i was RT. As for my posting Spartz you told me that it was good and even showed it to another poster who was relucquent to come onto the forum because of me.

Nice way to praise yourself there (eg: talking yourself up) BTG. By saying you and Spartz had a really good ranking one year.

As for having more than one team, yes i was thinking about it, but my one team i could make and i was happy with only had like 1-3k left over so i couldnt change anything anyway. If you look for Buddymania under Joanne it want be able to be found, because it doesnt exist.

Anyway thats all from me. For now.

I wish everyone the best of years and what will happen if i win. Will the world end like its meant to in 2012 or will the meteorite hit earlier

 

[Cat for Life]

With regards to Heater, obviously there is less risk this year with his selection due to his lower price. So his selection is justified and there is also the possibility of rotating him through the midfield, but then Collingwood have a plethora of midfielders.

How many teams in the Scumbags and Tossers leagues have Heath Shaw? From what I have read above, it seems not many.

Actually, quite a few have him. We just like to provoke some analysis on players whenever possible.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Don't put words in my mouth DWD.