Great education policy from labor

[Tim56]

Isn't there some principle that government should govern for all, not just the unions and those in marginal seats?

 

[funkyfreo]

Isn't there some principle that government should govern for all, not just the unions and those in marginal seats?

Or the wealthy private schools and high income earners. It cuts both ways.

I'm still impressed - a Labor education policy that INCREASES funding to the vast majority of PRIVATE schools, and STILL the LIBS are UNHAPPY

 

[TheBloods]

That sounds great, but I haven't seen a policy from either side in a while based upon a rational review of the situation, so don't hold your breath.

There is no such thing as a rational point of view in politics, or most other things for that matter unfortunately.

Where is the 10 secong sound-byte in that policy???

Fair educational for all, and a system that works effectively!

 

[funkyfreo]

Fair educational for all, and a system that works effectively!

Who could possibly disagree with that statement, and yet the interpretations are endless! Perfect!!

 

[ralphmalph]

Isn't there some principle that government should govern for all, not just the unions and those in marginal seats?

Aside from clearly betraying your political sympathies, this is an interesting comment. Remove the word "unions" and you may have a valid (if somewhat hackneyed) criticism of both leaders and their policies.

 

[Joffaboy]

Isn't it interesting how the user pay system should only apply to select schools, while the rest should be subsidised? I'm sure the parents would be happy to pay for it themselves, if the government stopped taking their money to pay for the education of others.

You must be a complete moron if you dont think Catholic schools charge fees.

Heres a tip buddy. Go and study why Catholic education got govt funding from the early 60's. Go and check out what happened in Goulbourn at that time and you may get an inkling of an idea.

The school system would collapse without the Catholic education system, but survive quite well if all the privileged born to rule Brittanic Madrases closed their doors.

It is totally absurd to believe that the privileged few should get funding from our taxes, while their parents are off "minimising"their tax in family trusts, and other rorts.

Hope Latham gets in and cuts the s .hite out of their ill gotten and totally unwarranted funding, and gives it to the non govt schools who actually deserve it.

 

[Ted Pellitis]

Joffa, you sound like the typical bludger who expects everything handed to him on a platter. Probably never done an honest days work in your entire life. Heaven forbid people work hard enough to afford the good things in life. Pull your head in.

In detox... how surprising. Gutter trash.

 

[funkyfreo]

You must be a complete moron if you dont think Catholic schools charge fees.

Heres a tip buddy. Go and study why Catholic education got govt funding from the early 60's. Go and check out what happened in Goulbourn at that time and you may get an inkling of an idea.

The school system would collapse without the Catholic education system, but survive quite well if all the privileged born to rule Brittanic Madrases closed their doors.

It is totally absurd to believe that the privileged few should get funding from our taxes, while their parents are off "minimising"their tax in family trusts, and other rorts.

Hope Latham gets in and cuts the s .hite out of their ill gotten and totally unwarranted funding, and gives it to the non govt schools who actually deserve it.

Top work Joffa boy, things were getting a bit lovey-dovey around here!!

Interesting to note a recent survey that Catholic School students, while getting less to Uni, have a higher retention rate once at Uni, than more expensive private schools. It could be the education, or just the guilt of pulling out of Uni?

 

[TheBloods]

The school system would collapse without the Catholic education system, but survive quite well if all the privileged born to rule Brittanic Madrases closed their doors.

It is totally absurd to believe that the privileged few should get funding from our taxes, while their parents are off "minimising"their tax in family trusts, and other rorts.

Hope Latham gets in and cuts the s .hite out of their ill gotten and totally unwarranted funding, and gives it to the non govt schools who actually deserve it.

You are so mired in urban myth and misguided views that it is amazing!!

Oh, anyhoo, jolly good, must tottle off - James is waiting downstairs with the roller and we are jetting off to the summer home in the Hamptons..

 

[Joffaboy]

It's not a rant - it's based on many years of observing families at certain income levels sending their kids to private and state schools.

It's based on the state school parents having more money to spend on other items - often challenged into recreational areas, such as holidays, and then they wonder why the private school parents cannot afford to do this. It's also those same state school parents who complain about the 'wealthy' private schools.

It's based on quite a lot of observation of actual events.

As for the last comment - you seem typical of someone who reads the headlines but doesn't actually analyse the detail. The benefit for these private schools is minimal.

I cant believe that I am reading this subjective narrow minded rant.

Anecodatal evidence is nothing to trumpet your baseless claims. You have observed .

You live in a small socio-economic area, how would you know what a migrate family in Glenroy, or Blacktown, or Elizabeth spend their money on?

You are making claims you have no idea about.

For a normal family of three to send their kids to a middle tier Catholic school can cost up to 20k a year. Where does a family on a combined income of 50-70k a year get that from?
But no these people are all buying plasma TV's or going to Fiji, or spending all of their money on other consumables.
Ever heard of a mortgage? Or is a dwelling now a one of your hubris like luxury items.
Yes because we dont all send out kids to Xavier, we are spendthrifts who dont care for our childrens education.

Must be wonderful to be as superior as these privileged parents. Their, and dare I say it, your sense on entitlement is astounding.

 

[Joffaboy]

You are so mired in urban myth and misguided views that it is amazing!!

Oh, anyhoo, jolly good, must tottle off - James is waiting downstairs with the roller and we are jetting off to the summer home in the Hamptons..

If I was you, I would take your wealth and go and buy yourself a little bit of perspective mate

 

[Tim56]

You must be a complete moron if you dont think Catholic schools charge fees.

I never said they didn't.

Heres a tip buddy. Go and study why Catholic education got govt funding from the early 60's. Go and check out what happened in Goulbourn at that time and you may get an inkling of an idea.

It doesn't really interest me. The whole thing started (rightly or wrongly) because Menzies felt it was consistent with Liberal values of choice, and he wanted DLP preferences.

The school system would collapse without the Catholic education system, but survive quite well if all the privileged born to rule Brittanic Madrases closed their doors.

To the detriment of the standards of education. Do you include Xavier and St. Kevins?

It is totally absurd to believe that the privileged few should get funding from our taxes, while their parents are off "minimising"their tax in family trusts, and other rorts.

Could you please provide some evidence that, firstly, all parents on the hit list avoid taxes, and secondly, that they in fact pay less tax than parents of government and other non-government schools.

Hope Latham gets in and cuts the s .hite out of their ill gotten and totally unwarranted funding, and gives it to the non govt schools who actually deserve it.

He hasn't won yet.

 

[Joffaboy]

Joffa, you sound like the typical bludger who expects everything handed to him on a platter. Probably never done an honest days work in your entire life. Heaven forbid people work hard enough to afford the good things in life. Pull your head in.

In detox... how surprising. Gutter trash.

Yup thats me, Down at the St.Vinnies drop in centre right now.

Stupid vindictive comments from a person who obviously needs some life experience before making malicious comments.

You have made a complete fool of yourself, totally unsurprising for a Tory sheep.

 

[Ted Pellitis]

I cant believe that I am reading this subjective narrow minded rant.

Anecodatal evidence is nothing to trumpet your baseless claims. You have observed .

You live in a small socio-economic area, how would you know what a migrate family in Glenroy, or Blacktown, or Elizabeth spend their money on?

You are making claims you have no idea about.

anectdotal - as opposed to completely baseless..

But no these people are all buying plasma TV's or going to Fiji, or spending all of their money on other consumables.
Ever heard of a mortgage? Or is a dwelling now a one of your hubris like luxury items.
Yes because we dont all send out kids to Xavier, we are spendthrifts who dont care for our childrens education.

Must be wonderful to be as superior as these privileged parents. Their, and dare I say it, your sense on entitlement is astounding.

You're sense of entitlement puts the rest on this board to shame. You expect everything for nothing. Typical leech sponging off the government and hard working taxpayers.

You are a type our society could do without.

 

[funkyfreo]

Ted I note you don;t have a footy team - do you really just come here for the SC&P board??

Come on guys - this thread was actually getting sensible for a while there - but now it is just a lefty righty blinkered diatribe. Lift yer game fallahs!

 

[TheBloods]

Must be wonderful to be as superior as these privileged parents. Their, and dare I say it, your sense on entitlement is astounding.

Yep - respond with the usual hyperbole. Why be sensible when you can resort to extremes!!

Not after any degree of extra entitlement - just some share (not even an equal one) of the education dollar.

BTW - I didn't come from a wealthy family, and I am privileged as my parents chose to do with less to give me what they saw as a good education.

 

[Ted Pellitis]

I support Essendon - and rarely venture onto the S&P board

 

[Joffaboy]

I never said they didn't.

Bully for you then

It doesn't really interest me. The whole thing started (rightly or wrongly) because Menzies felt it was consistent with Liberal values of choice, and he wanted DLP preferences.

Doesn't really interest you because it may lift the scales from you blinkered eyes. John Howard was instrumental in Menzies beginning funding. Had nothing to do with Liberal values, and everything to do with preventig the school system from collapsing.


To the detriment of the standards of education. Do you include Xavier and St. Kevins?

St.Kevins wasn't on the hit list. Xavier was, but they will survive while the less well off in the Catholic system get to provide a better education to less privileged Catholics

Could you please provide some evidence that, firstly, all parents on the hit list avoid taxes, and secondly, that they in fact pay less tax than parents of government and other non-government schools.

I'll use your excuse. Not interested. Known fact that the privileged avoid tax.

He hasn't won yet.

People like you must be very worried that he will. All that govt funding being redirected to where it should go, and not to the filthy rich.

 

[funkyfreo]

I support Essendon - and rarely venture onto the S&P board

Great - I was a bit worried that's all

 

[Joffaboy]

You're sense of entitlement puts the rest on this board to shame. You expect everything for nothing. Typical leech sponging off the government and hard working taxpayers.

You are so clueless, you dont even understand how ridiculous your supposed insults are. You are calling me a leech while defending the privileged in society leeching off the govt. Funniest thing is you cannot understand how bewilderingly stupid you sound.

You are a type our society could do without.

Ahh the coup de grace from Ted. And what type is that you dimwitted judgemental clown? A type that disagrees with you?

You really need to attempt to converse without so much hatred and agression, you just sound so silly and like the little boy you obviusly are.

 

[TheBloods]

You are calling me a leech while defending the privileged in society leeching off the govt. Funniest thing is you cannot understand how bewilderingly stupid you sound.

This is a laugh - the highest tax payers in society receive the smallest amount of government funding. That hardly fits the definition of leeching!

You really need to attempt to converse without so much hatred and agression, you just sound so silly and like the little boy you obviusly are.

Ah that is pot calling the kettle black. Have a look at your diatribes above and have a think about whether you are full of hatred!!

 

[Joffaboy]

Yep - respond with the usual hyperbole. Why be sensible when you can resort to extremes!!

Why try and address the argument when you can use rolleyes

Not after any degree of extra entitlement - just some share (not even an equal one) of the education dollar.

Compared to whom and what do you believe is "equal"?

BTW - I didn't come from a wealthy family, and I am privileged as my parents chose to do with less to give me what they saw as a good education.

Everyone does "with less" to give their children a decent education. Instead of driving a BMW, I drive a Falcon. Instead of living in Brighton, I live in a less expensive suburb. Again a judgement call from you and not based on any fact. Anecdotal stereotypes abound with you.

Ever heard the term "Your need expand to meet your income"? In essence a migrate family from Footscray will go "with less" compared to one of the tax avoidance experts from the leafy suburbs, who still think they are going "with
less' to send their kids to a privileged school. You know a new Merc every 2.5 years insted of two, or the trip to Thredders for only a week this season.

Anybody who sends their kids to one of the elites priviledges schools without being able to afford it either

a) are attempting to like their failed lives vacariously through their children
b) a snob social climbers trying to claw their way out of their deemed socio-economic demographic

 

[funkyfreo]

Bottom line - Rich people NEED the government school system to provide an education to their future salaried grunt workers. So Can't complain about that.

The Govt NEEDS the private school system as it helps the State schools survive.

There are only so many $$ so the richest schools miss out.. live with it. Vote against it if you like.

It is hardly a satanic policy.

 

[OldLion]

You're sense of entitlement puts the rest on this board to shame. You expect everything for nothing. Typical leech sponging off the government and hard working taxpayers. You are a type our society could do without.

Subsidies to rich schools IS sponging off the government. Correct. We can certainly do without that.

 

[funkyfreo]

I hope my kids are good at footy - or they aint going to a fancy school