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Call them NSW Giants.
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GWS Giants - honeymoon is over?
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Accor Stadium should be used during the Royal Easter Show and for finals matches
Why is a 12k home crowd a bad thing? AFL fans have such a twisted view on acceptable crowd figures.
The NRL has 11 teams averaging 20k crowds or lower, and most of them have bloody NSW local derbies every week.
The A league only has 2 teams averaging more than 12k.
AFL fans need to get a grip and realize 12k home crowds is fine
They just needa find a way to play a game during the show and then advertise it heavily with people going
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I don't have a superficial view on this.
By the same token I could accuse you of simply regurgitating AFL PR and doctrine.
Its not as simple as just thinking everyone is going to be converted because we are the superior religion.
Now we all know missionaries succeeded in some areas and not in others.
The world isn't a monoculture.
There may be fundamental demographic and cultural reasons why western Sydney won't work.
Now I'm not saying one way or the other but I don't think it's right to be
assured that success is inevitable. It's not.
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NRL is designed for TV
Less players. Smaller lists. Smaller stadiums. Cheaper to run.
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I don't have a superficial view on this.
By the same token I could accuse you of simply regurgitating AFL PR and doctrine.
Its not as simple as just thinking everyone is going to be converted because we are the superior religion.
Now we all know missionaries succeeded in some areas and not in others.
The world isn't a monoculture.
There may be fundamental demographic and cultural reasons why western Sydney won't work.
Now I'm not saying one way or the other but I don't think it's right to be
Do you think 15 years is enough to build a club?
When I go to the footy I see grandparents with their kids with their kids with their kids. It’s generations of support for the lions.
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Come see some livestock and then hit the footy
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I'm not sure.
But what's your point?
I can go to Rome and see lots of Catholics.
Doesn't mean the catholic church is going to take over in Jakarta.
The cultural ingredients that gave rise to Fitzroy in the 19th century are very different to the cultural ingredients in western Sydney in the 21st century.
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A lot of religious undertones Willy, I didn’t realise you were a man of the cloth
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GWS rarely use Accor Stadium despite it being a stone's throw away from their normal home ground and 6x bigger than ENGIE
Would've got at least 60K last week at Accor instead of just 20K
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As a Giants supporter, IMO the unavailability of Engie Stadium due to the Easter Show, and 3 game Canberra deal are forever going to hold the club back in Western Sydney.
The results are there - consistently in the Finals (although they haven't taken their chances).
Problem is that it's not translating into bums on seats, and with the current arrangements, sadly for me, I don't think it ever will.
Adding to my concern is the number of highly-paid, long-term contract players who are over 30.
It makes it difficult attracting quality players and the form of players >30 can decline rather quickly.
A double-edged sword.
As much as I enjoy supporting the Giants, I'm just not that confident the AFL will persist with the low crowd numbers (this year on average lower than 2024) if the results on field decline as I suspect they will, especially with a 19th team entering the comp.
The results are there - consistently in the Finals (although they haven't taken their chances).
Problem is that it's not translating into bums on seats, and with the current arrangements, sadly for me, I don't think it ever will.
Adding to my concern is the number of highly-paid, long-term contract players who are over 30.
It makes it difficult attracting quality players and the form of players >30 can decline rather quickly.
A double-edged sword.
As much as I enjoy supporting the Giants, I'm just not that confident the AFL will persist with the low crowd numbers (this year on average lower than 2024) if the results on field decline as I suspect they will, especially with a 19th team entering the comp.
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You were always a fool in this regard.
We haven’t been given anything. A part time club led by a board and leadership who refuse to lean into being Western Sydney.
Miracle we are as popular as we are.
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Standing room wasn’t sold out so no we wouldn’t have.
It’s ok daddy AFL will look after their nepo baby with a big bag priority draft picks and other concessions once tassies had their fill.
There are no more important clubs in the AFL than their dearly beloved northern clubs and “development” of the game
GWS have nothing to worry about
There are no more important clubs in the AFL than their dearly beloved northern clubs and “development” of the game
GWS have nothing to worry about
They will be fine - along with Sydney and the Queenslanders they are the wealthiest clubs in the league with an endless slush fund of league money available when required.
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but really though, the league is not giving up on the whole 2 local teams and a game every week in the Sydney market. If anything, there is more chance they create a 3rd team than go back down to 1.
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but really though, the league is not giving up on the whole 2 local teams and a game every week in the Sydney market. If anything, there is more chance they create a 3rd team than go back down to 1.
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It's not just about development.
They need NSW and Qld teams to be viable for the AFL to survive.
Especially they need players drafted out of NSW and Qld. That's the key metric.
And Qld is absolutely streets ahead.
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No chance of.a 3rd side in NSW and a small chance they move the Giants to Canberra.
Player numbers drafted out of NSW still too low. They might be better off focussing on Canberra, Albury and Wagga
Northern NSW is already covered by the Gold Coast Suns. Tweed Heads is part of the broader Gold Coast area.
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Their best is the arguably the best in the competition but they have such lulls during quarters which makes them look like a middle of the road team.
I had them going to the grand final this season. Injuries later in the season certainly played a part but for the amount of talent they have across the board (Greene, Callaghan, Green, Cadman, Whitfield, Ash, Taylor) they should have done better than an elimination loss.
A lot of players will be aged between that 25-27 year 'sweet spot' next season. Should have one last opportunity to make another grand final.
I had them going to the grand final this season. Injuries later in the season certainly played a part but for the amount of talent they have across the board (Greene, Callaghan, Green, Cadman, Whitfield, Ash, Taylor) they should have done better than an elimination loss.
A lot of players will be aged between that 25-27 year 'sweet spot' next season. Should have one last opportunity to make another grand final.
Swans averaged 24k in year 14. With a side that played off the for flag, already had a supporter base and had zero AFL competition in the state. Not to mention with TV deals the way they were back then if you wanted to watch footy you had to actually go in most cases...
People need to accept GWS is going to be a slow burn - they do need to get out of Canberra and focus on their market though
People need to accept GWS is going to be a slow burn - they do need to get out of Canberra and focus on their market though
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But even if it's a slow burn , why do people assume guaranteed success?
Not every new business succeeds.
At what point do we enter Concorde territory?
And at what point do broadcasters get involved?
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But even if it's a slow burn , why do people assume guaranteed success?
Not every new business succeeds.
At what point do we enter Concorde territory?
And at what point do broadcasters get involved?
By the same token, do people truly believe the new Russian owner of Foxtel is going to be ok with the 9 teams based in Melbourne?
Excuse my ignorance, but how does the Giants Board work, go earned by the AFL, with no changes ever?
What do we deem to be successful in terms of AFL clubs?
Attendance?
Members?
Profitability?
Growth?
I think it would fair to say GWS have the toughest market in the game and growth/participation should be the measuring stick for a while yet.
Why would a broadcaster care where the teams are based? Wouldn't they want more teams - more games- more content?
As fox are based out of Melbourne and don't fly their commentators Interstate, wouldn't it be preferred?
