harvey has to go

[Nodgey]

^^^^^ Yep. Even though we got a massive 14 new players this season, I still reckon we could gone further and removed the likes of Browne, Head, Thornton or Murphy and drafted say a Wolfenden or Kyanga or even Cockie who would have been available.

Now I'm the first to admit I don't know much about the potential of the kids running around the WAFL, but sheesh, if you're going to cut the deadwood then you're better off using a chainsaw instead of a piddly pear of secateurs.

 

[Chops_a_must]

^^^^^ Yep. Even though we got a massive 14 new players this season, I still reckon we could gone further and removed the likes of Browne, Head, Thornton or Murphy and drafted say a Wolfenden or Kyanga or even Cockie who would have been available.

Yep.

Seriously. Why didn't we tell Browne to re-enter the draft? And if say, Cockie, or Anthony was already taken, we'd draft him again? Seriously, what would we have lost?

I know Moo has an obsession with the Browne love, but surely even he could see the futility in persisting with the perennially injured Browne?

I mean... why wouldn't we pick up someone that isn't actually injured for 7/8ths of the season?

And another thing that goes hand in hand with this... if we were going to waste a spot on treating someone's injuries, and a player not being played... why didn't we pick up a few bottom aged players?

It makes absolutely no friggin sense. We had zero drafting strategy. How many bottom aged players did we pick up, that would be guaranteed to go this coming season? Zero?

Sure, we picked up some good players, but our drafting strategy made absolutely no sense at all. It was almost incoherent.

We get Ballantyne and Suban instead of Blight and Suban. For some reason a forward pocket was seen as more important than a long term KPP prospect and a midfielder in the short term? And forward pockets in the short term are more important than bottom aged midfielders... how?

How the ****?

Mmm anyway... if you are going to continue with your brown love Moo, I hope you wear a raincoat. If you get my drift.

But yeah... I really don't know how you can defend the Browne decision to be honest...

 

[Altum Volantes]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

That's a little unfair, his skills just aren't very good. It's like saying Chad Fletcher should be as good as Kerr.

Schammer works hard he's just a very average kick and not very clever.

Not really what I meant, I was just under the impression that the expectation of Schammer a few years ago was that he would develop into an AA standard player, something he has fallen short of.

Fletcher is a bit different, he had very low expectations and was a deserved AA when he was at his best.

A better comparison from WCE would probably be a guy like Mark Nicoski who looked a very likely type but has turned out to be just a decent player.

 

[dominguez]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

Dom this is the trouble with a clean out - Harvey can't really replace them with a lot of other options.

But that was my issue with Connolly and it's now my main problem with Harvey. Why do players with obvious ability not play to their potential at Fremantle? Look at Medhurst, went from playing WAFL to one of the stars of the competition.

 

[Memories]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

But that was my issue with Connolly and it's now my main problem with Harvey. Why do players with obvious ability not play to their potential at Fremantle? Look at Medhurst, went from playing WAFL to one of the stars of the competition.

Look at any forward in our side, Pavlich looks like a spud and he is 3 times the player that medhurst is. It's all about the midfield and their delivery. The other thing is some players just do not have a positive attitude themselves and need to feed off the team vibe to be any good. Some call it downhill skiing.

Players like Palmer, Mayne and maybe Hill, set their own attitude. So we have at least 3 players coming up that aren't too bad on the attitude front, just need to recruit more. Once you have enough of these players the downhill skiers aren't such a liability in your side.

 

[theGav56]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

Look at any forward in our side, Pavlich looks like a spud and he is 3 times the player that medhurst is. It's all about the midfield and their delivery.

Well given that pre-season Pavlich seemed to be going to play midfield, Hasleby back, Grover forward, Tarrant back, Murphy midfield and no other forward seemed settled, (and also given that none of that seems viable now) who do you think the midfield would have been planning on kicking it to?

Pre-season our forward line was turned into a structureless game of musical chairs, and simultaneously, our backline was dismantled and dis-orientated. We no longer simply have the midfield as our problem, and instead we just produced a game where not ONE single player won their position. It was humiliating, and if you think it was about the midfield and their delivery, I hope you haven't told Harvey.

 

[crespo007]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

Disagree. Rich would not have been a miracle cure.

He never said he would be a miracle cure. Just that he would have an instant onfield impact.

And considering he can actually hit a target, i think thats spot on!

What is Hill's disposal effectiveness at anyway? 30-40% maybe?

 

[theGav56]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

Look at any forward in our side, Pavlich looks like a spud and he is 3 times the player that medhurst is. It's all about the midfield and their delivery.

Well given that pre-season Pavlich seemed to be going to play midfield, Hasleby back, Grover forward, Tarrant back, Murphy midfield and no other forward seemed settled, (and also given that none of that seems viable now) who do you think the midfield would have been planning on kicking it to?

Pre-season our forward line was turned into a structureless game of musical chairs, and simultaneously, our backline was dismantled and dis-orientated. We no longer simply have the midfield as our problem, and instead we just produced a game where not ONE single player won their position. It was humiliating, and if you think it was about the midfield and their delivery, I hope you haven't told Harvey.

 

[Belnakor]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

He never said he would be a miracle cure. Just that he would have an instant onfield impact.

And considering he can actually hit a target, i think thats spot on!

What is Hill's disposal effectiveness at anyway? 30-40% maybe?

unless he was going to kick 15 goals from the midfield on the weekend, we were still going to get done. When Freo start winning a few games then is the time to compare the two.. ie: in 2-3 years.

 

[Memories]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

Well given that pre-season Pavlich seemed to be going to play midfield, Hasleby back, Grover forward, Tarrant back, Murphy midfield and no other forward seemed settled, (and also given that none of that seems viable now) who do you think the midfield would have been planning on kicking it to?

Pre-season our forward line was turned into a structureless game of musical chairs, and simultaneously, our backline was dismantled and dis-orientated. We no longer simply have the midfield as our problem, and instead we just produced a game where not ONE single player won their position. It was humiliating, and if you think it was about the midfield and their delivery, I hope you haven't told Harvey.

The reason for the musical chairs is to try and cover our deficient midfield. But you are right that a lot of our senior players are embarrassingly deficient in basic skills and things of this nature which makes our whole team seem awful.

The worst thing is there is no upside to the current list outside a minority of players who will still be on the list in 2 years time. If we had this young side full of potential who would care if we got thrashed. There is no place for supporters anger to go currently, they can't change the anger into hope by seeing a player like Palmer. Hill has been decent, but he is not having a Palmer first year. So we are looking at this pathetic display and going "Where are the upsides" and being let down by them I feel.

 

[estibador]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

What is Hill's disposal effectiveness at anyway? 30-40% maybe?

Here we go... another bigfooty myth in the making.

 

[Latro]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

77% so **** off.

 

[silverscope]

Re: Harvey will be gone by mid season

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=212&ContentID=147904


Looks like he will be around atleast until the end of next year! Good! i really like what he has done so far.

 

[time on]

It could be worse, you didn't have someone handing out 5 year promises.

 

[Freo Blood]

It could be worse, you didn't have someone handing out 5 year promises.

We had that from the last Bozo! Although he didn't even have the guts to put a time limit on - just a never ending journey. I'm happy to see that Cuddles' plan of Freo and St Kilda fighting out many important finals series over many years has come true. At least he will get that one half right!

 

[Belnakor]

You look at Woosha's handling of his kids vs Harvey and you begin to get the sense that Harvs is the man for the job. Certainly doing a much better job than Woosha at the moment, so Harvs would have to be safe at the moment.

 

[samseenee]

I hope he is. I like the man and is doing a decent job.

 

[notomys]

Gee that bushie bloke made a lot of sense in this thread.

 

[Lach72]

Gee that bushie bloke made a lot of sense in this thread.

Always a first time, you old goat

 

[notomys]

Always a first time, you old goat

Gets a mod ring and makes shit get real

 

[Lach72]

Gets a mod ring and makes shit get real

How's the arm matey?

 

[notomys]

Still connected, but basically rooted for good.

Purely admin work from now on.

 

[Lach72]

Better than the alternative, I'll wager

 

[samseenee]

Still connected, but basically rooted for good.

Purely admin work from now on.

Same goes for Laidley I'd say.....

 

[notomys]

So true mate. All the tests were benign so it could have been far worse.