News Harvey: The players don't really go in for the Collingwood/Carlton rivalry.

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Big Melbourne rivalries were often fuelled off the field by geographic, political, class and even religious factors. That’s not the case any more so it’s only natural that they’re fading because there’s nothing off-field to fuel them. The only ones that really exist permanently now are the derby and the showdown

Are the Derby and the showdown even genuine rivalries? They seem as confected as the Pies/Blues these days mainly due to the team's failure to meet in big games.

Biggest rivalries of the recent past are Hawks/Cats and Swans/WCE - maybe Collingwood/Richmond built around 2018, the Treloar trade and could've been topped off with a 2019 GF. Collingwood/WCE seem to play each other in a lot of big games as well but don't think it's a real "rivalry"
 
Carlton Vs Essendon is the big Melbourne rivalry of the last 30 years.

The two most successful clubs fuelled by finals (2 x 93, 99, 00, 11), regular upsets, and constant close margins.

I hate Collingwood and Richmond but it’s mainly a game day thing. Essendon? Red traffic lights anger me because of the colours.
 
It is hard to maintain a rivalry with a club that has been near the bottom of the ladder for more than a decade, modern players haven't really known a successful Carlton side.

If and when Carlton become a successful side again in the future, I am sure that will change.
 
It is hard to maintain a rivalry with a club that has been near the bottom of the ladder for more than a decade, modern players haven't really known a successful Carlton side.

* two decades
 

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Boomers rivalry is more Collingwood v Melbourne

Collingwood v Carlton is more a Gen X thing
Who would the "rivalry" be for the lazy overweight self entitled man-bunners and Karens? ;)
What generation would those Sydney types be?
Am I doing the generational pigeon holing correctly?
 
The Richmond 'rivalry' with Carlton is much more alive, and that's with the tigers of the last 5-6 years locked in the same room as their runt brother and told to spend time with him. The rest of the footy fans all share a mutual hatred of the first round fixture, carlton fans just want to play some other team on another day to avoid the same hatred, while Richmond just pencil this one in the day the fixture is released.
 
It's long been a completely toothless 'rivalry' despite some people desperately trying to claim otherwise.

The whole 'the grand final rivalry' thing makes no sense - the last grand final we played them in was 40 years ago. We've played Carlton in the same number of grand finals as Richmond and Geelong, and less than against Melbourne.

In the AFL era, the team that Collingwood has most consistently played against in big games is West Coast, yet nobody would even think that's worthy of 'rivalry' status. So it's the current Calrton-Collingwood rivalry is not based on any logic beyond 'big Melbourne club rivalry' which applies to Richmond and Essendon just as much.
 
It's long been a completely toothless 'rivalry' despite some people desperately trying to claim otherwise.

The whole 'the grand final rivalry' thing makes no sense - the last grand final we played them in was 40 years ago. We've played Carlton in the same number of grand finals as Richmond and Geelong, and less than against Melbourne.

In the AFL era, the team that Collingwood has most consistently played against in big games is West Coast, yet nobody would even think that's worthy of 'rivalry' status. So it's the current Calrton-Collingwood rivalry is not based on any logic beyond 'big Melbourne club rivalry' which applies to Richmond and Essendon just as much.

The rivalry is historic, passed down from generation to generation, that’s the logic.
I don’t know why people need to talk down rivalries, it’s these rivalries that keep people invested and entertained during a long season.
 
Boomers rivalry is more Collingwood v Melbourne

Collingwood v Carlton is more a Gen X thing

Yes!! Anyone over 30 is what Generation Idiot thinks a boomer is.

Exactly. Younglings have no idea what the term boomers actually means.

LOL these boomers definitely have dementia.

Baby boomers were still being born after Collingwood last played Melbourne in a GF in 1964 and Gen Xers were being born up until a year before the 1981 grand final.

When the Melbourne vs Collingwood grand final rivalry kicked off in 1955, the oldest boomer would have been 9 and the oldest Gen Xer in 1970 would have been 6.

Unless you think fan rivalries are determined exclusively by toddlers or people who have yet to be born, the Carlton-Collingwood 1970s-80s rivalry was absolutely a boomer rivalry and the Melbourne vs Collingwood rivalry was for their parents.
 
It's long been a completely toothless 'rivalry' despite some people desperately trying to claim otherwise.

The whole 'the grand final rivalry' thing makes no sense - the last grand final we played them in was 40 years ago. We've played Carlton in the same number of grand finals as Richmond and Geelong, and less than against Melbourne.

In the AFL era, the team that Collingwood has most consistently played against in big games is West Coast, yet nobody would even think that's worthy of 'rivalry' status. So it's the current Calrton-Collingwood rivalry is not based on any logic beyond 'big Melbourne club rivalry' which applies to Richmond and Essendon just as much.

Probably one factor is that in the heyday of when Collingwood and Carlton were both competitive, one of the teams (Carlton) seemed to dominate the results. Probably one reason why Collingwood Gen X’s (like me) still cling onto it is that there was **a lot** of squaring up to do, and Carlton now being rubbish for 20 years and it still going on shows the extent of it …

… as evidenced by it taking until 2021 for Collingwood to finally take the lead in the head-to-head ledger.

By contrast West Coast v Collingwood results have been fairly balanced. Yeah, West Coast took the chocolates in the 2018 GF, but Collingwood have won their fair share of finals v West Coast.

Probably of greater impact is that there probably isn’t too many Collingwood and West Coast supporters who know each other, so there’s not the office banter, the Monday morning walk of shame, school ground sledging, etc, etc of what there is with other rivalries.
 
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