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[Weaver]

I have this player below

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and i have no idea where to play him at the moment i have at inner midfield 2
Anyone got some ideas

I'd sack him. He is rubbish and his set piece skill won't count for much.

 

[RoosterLad]

after winning 6-1 last week i lost 8-0 today

 

[sainter]

I won my first ever league match today with a thrilling 1-0 victory.

I've asked this question on the newbie conference but I'm sure someone here can help me out. When I first started late december I (foolishly in hindsight) went out and spent $196,000 on a solid keeper. He's been my best player in every match. He got injured today and is out for 3 weeks. The only other keeper I have is inadequate. I'm currently $200,000 in debt and once I play a couple more league games I'll be using the funds to buy a new coach. Any ideas on what I should do? Last week I came across a website that allowed you to enter the age and the estimated injury time and it would tell you how many doctors to buy but I can't find it now. I only have one doctor at the moment.

Any suggestions?

 

[Weaver]

When I first started late december I (foolishly in hindsight) went out and spent $196,000 on a solid keeper. He's been my best player in every match. He got injured today and is out for 3 weeks.
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Any suggestions?

Do nothing. In Div6 the difference between the solid and inadequate won't make a huge difference to results. Playing 5 defenders your defence ratings will be high enough without the keeper contribution.

Your guy will be out for about 2 and a half weeks with one doctor. Each doctor basically knocks a day off that. So 5 doctors would mean he was back one league game earlier ... but the cost of 5 docs x 2 weeks doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

[RoosterLad]

i downloaded HAM the other day but i found it a bit confusing
i couldnt seem to find the part where its supposed to tell you 5 weeks until playmaking goes up to solid (for example)

 

[sainter]

Do nothing. In Div6 the difference between the solid and inadequate won't make a huge difference to results. Playing 5 defenders your defence ratings will be high enough without the keeper contribution.

Your guy will be out for about 2 and a half weeks with one doctor. Each doctor basically knocks a day off that. So 5 doctors would mean he was back one league game earlier ... but the cost of 5 docs x 2 weeks doesn't make it worthwhile.

That makes things easy.

If my inadequate keeper gets injured in the next two friendlies or two league games I'll be in trouble but there's not much I can do being in debt.

Crouch and Walcott.....that's a thought.

 

[tribey]

All the best for tomorrow's third round cup ties guys - this is where the real risk of cupsets kicks in.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Due to my rubbish finish in div VI last season i got knocked out of the cup last week to a div III team i think. Last season i made the 3rd week. Oh well.

 

[Sammy D]

All the best for tomorrow's third round cup ties guys - this is where the real risk of cupsets kicks in.

No doubt I will be one of them

 

[Sammy D]

Won my cup game 0-3 away. Cupset for me next week then

 

[Weaver]

My 'mighty' Div2 team got taken to extra time . Snuck through.

 

[tribey]

Nice wins lads

I won 7-0, rounding out a seven-day period which saw three wins, 24 goals scored and none against in both league and cup.

Only downhill from here then

 

[nut]

Some helpful hints. I'm a newbie.

Very Green and have some simple questions because I dont really know whats going on.

How many players should I have? All I've been doing is buying players have a about 30 now is that too many? SZhould I sack some or try to sell them, if so which ones?

Should just have young players at the begining and fire the older ones?

How do you individually train players?

How do I get sponsership and more supporters?

How long has TigerT been playing?

When buying Players what should I target?

How much is the player below worth? I think I paid too much?

Pedro Miguel Caio
TSI = 1 290 , 20 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: solid Set pieces: weak

 

[Weaver]

How many players should I have? All I've been doing is buying players have a about 30 now is that too many? SZhould I sack some or try to sell them, if so which ones?

Training is super-important.

If you are training playmaking you will want 10 midfielders (maybe 11 for safety). You will play 5 in the league and 5 in the midweek friendly.

You will probably play a 3-5-2 formation. So in addition to your 10 midfielders, you will need 4 defenders, 3 strikers and 2 goalkeepers (although you can get away with 1).

So 19-21 players is plenty. The rest you are paying NOT to play and NOT to train. Money down the drain.

Should just have young players at the begining and fire the older ones?

Players you train should be young. Your 10 midfielders should be 17-19 years old. 20-21 if you have cash problems.

Guys who aren't being trained (strkers, defenders) can be any age. Older guys in these positions can be cheaper to buy, and more experience is helpful.

How do you individually train players?

You don't. You choose 1 training strategy (eg Playmaking).

Then all players who play as midfielders get trained in Playmaking. The defenders and strikers don't get trained at all. People who don't play don't get trained.

How do I get sponsership and more supporters?

As you win games you will get more supporters and sponsorship. To make this happen faster hire Spokespersons. They keep the supporters happy and suck up to sponsors.

When buying Players what should I target?

1. Age

Younger they are the faster they train. A 17 year old will take 7 weeks to go up one level. A 28 year old will take 18 weeks (more than one season) to go up the same level. Younger they are the more expensive they will be.

2. Midfielders.

In the lowest 3 divisions you can win games entirely with midfield and next to no other skills at all. Buy young midfielders, train them up, sell them on, then repeat.

A midfielder should have Playmaking and Stamina. Anything else is a bonus.

One good way to make money early is to buy midfielders with good Playmaking but lusy stamina. Stamina is very quick to train, and you can normally sell those players on quickly for nice profits.

How much is the player below worth? I think I paid too much?

Pedro Miguel Caio
TSI = 1 290 , 20 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: solid Set pieces: weak

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At 20 he is getting a bit old to train to a high level.
His experience is bad.
He will never be a coach.
The playmaking / scoring combination is a nuisance. There is no way he can use both skills. He is either a midfielder or a striker.
A solid striker is worth about $250k (?). A passable midfielder worth about $150k (?).

 

[sainter]

I'm a newbie as well so I'm not qualifed to answer your questions like the experienced guys but I've spent a lot of time reading the Hattrick Wiki and hanging around the newbie conference and it's been a great help.

Basically you need to choose a training method, buy 17-19 year old players in the area that you intend to train, and buy a passable coach with poor leadership.

If you start a thread on the newbie conference they'll help you out and go through it with you. I've tried to do it myself and I'm without a new coach and in debt so don't take advice from me.

Oh, and a stunning 7-0 loss in my friendly today.

And I'd do everything Weaver has said above.

 

[Weaver]

Oh, and a stunning 7-0 loss in my friendly today.

If you aren't losing your friendlies you are probably doing something wrong.

 

[sainter]

If you aren't losing your friendlies you are probably doing something wrong.

That's true.

It's easy to see why so many people drop out. You have to do a long apprenticeship. I'm just glad they put me in div 6 and not div 5.

I'm going to buy a passable/poor coach shortly. It will take me to about $400,000 in debt but if I'm going to improve I need a better coach. Three of my next four games are at home so I'm hoping to be back in the black after then. Would you recommend that I go for a defensive, attacking or the neutral coach? I've been told most defence trainers go for the attacking coach because it helps them during the matches. Is that what you would do?

 

[tribey]

If you are training playmaking you will want 10 midfielders (maybe 11 for safety). You will play 5 in the league and 5 in the midweek friendly.

Are you a playmaker trainer yourself? I used to be before I switched to wing a couple of years ago.

I never had more than 6 trainable midfielders for the IM slots. For the 50% winger slots I just played my two first team wingers (usually with secondaries so they slowly but surely chunked up on playmaking too) and then switched to a 3-4-3 for the cup/friendlies/variation as I had noone else to train.

 

[nut]

Training is super-important.

If you are training playmaking you will want 10 midfielders (maybe 11 for safety). You will play 5 in the league and 5 in the midweek friendly.

You will probably play a 3-5-2 formation. So in addition to your 10 midfielders, you will need 4 defenders, 3 strikers and 2 goalkeepers (although you can get away with 1).

So 19-21 players is plenty. The rest you are paying NOT to play and NOT to train. Money down the drain.



Players you train should be young. Your 10 midfielders should be 17-19 years old. 20-21 if you have cash problems.

Guys who aren't being trained (strkers, defenders) can be any age. Older guys in these positions can be cheaper to buy, and more experience is helpful.



You don't. You choose 1 training strategy (eg Playmaking).

Then all players who play as midfielders get trained in Playmaking. The defenders and strikers don't get trained at all. People who don't play don't get trained.



As you win games you will get more supporters and sponsorship. To make this happen faster hire Spokespersons. They keep the supporters happy and suck up to sponsors.



1. Age

Younger they are the faster they train. A 17 year old will take 7 weeks to go up one level. A 28 year old will take 18 weeks (more than one season) to go up the same level. Younger they are the more expensive they will be.

2. Midfielders.

In the lowest 3 divisions you can win games entirely with midfield and next to no other skills at all. Buy young midfielders, train them up, sell them on, then repeat.

A midfielder should have Playmaking and Stamina. Anything else is a bonus.

One good way to make money early is to buy midfielders with good Playmaking but lusy stamina. Stamina is very quick to train, and you can normally sell those players on quickly for nice profits.

This might sound stupid but a player that I put in the midfield will be trained as a midfield player etc... so I should not swap players arround. Leave them in the same positions? So 5 Midfielders players in the league and 5 in the friendlies will train 10 midfielders. Would it be benificial to play the same ten players but swap them around from midfielders to defenders?

not sure if that made sence.


So if I want to train lots of midfielders than the 3-5-2 is they way to build up lots of midfielders.

 

[Weaver]

Are you a playmaker trainer yourself? I used to be before I switched to wing a couple of years ago.

I started with training playmaking and now train defence. My squad is getting pretty old (and expensive) now so am going to pop my current guys and then switch to set-pieces for a year.

I never had more than 6 trainable midfielders for the IM slots. For the 50% winger slots I just played my two first team wingers (usually with secondaries so they slowly but surely chunked up on playmaking too) and then switched to a 3-4-3 for the cup/friendlies/variation as I had noone else to train.

Similar really. There were times when I had 6-7 trainee types and a couple of very good 30 year olds. I used to play them on the wings because they helped me win, and I didn't mind sacrificing a couple of training spots in the grand scheme of things.

Often I have one or two good trainees and I let them decide the training pattern.

So for example I might have had two 18-year olds with formidable playmaking. I might switch to passing for a couple of weeks until they pop on passing, then some stamina or defending. Just to pop the secondaries.

 

[Weaver]

I'm going to buy a passable/poor coach shortly. It will take me to about $400,000 in debt but if I'm going to improve I need a better coach.

A better coach is important but I wouldn't be rushing to get into debt to do it.

A better coach will speed the rate at which your players improve a level. Your 17 year old defenders will take 7 weeks with a solid coach. Even with a weak coach it won't be more than 9 weeks (?).

Other than that they can keep teamspirit from falling if they have good leadership and a good personality.

They are important, and buy one when you can, but you should try to avoid debt as much as possible.

Three of my next four games are at home so I'm hoping to be back in the black after then. Would you recommend that I go for a defensive, attacking or the neutral coach? I've been told most defence trainers go for the attacking coach because it helps them during the matches. Is that what you would do?

I'd go for a neutral coach because you may want to change your strategy around in the future.

I got my coach under the old system and so couldn't choose. He is a defensive coach which gives a boost to my defense ratings - which I don't need. On offensive coach would help me score, and as a defender trainer you need all the help you can get.

 

[Weaver]

This might sound stupid but a player that I put in the midfield will be trained as a midfield player etc... so I should not swap players arround. Leave them in the same positions? So 5 Midfielders players in the league and 5 in the friendlies will train 10 midfielders. Would it be benificial to play the same ten players but swap them around from midfielders to defenders?

Players get training based on the LAST position the played in during the week.

So if you play a guy in the league game (Sunday) as a defender, then play him in a friendly (midweek) as a midfielder ... on Friday training he will be seen as a midfielder and trained playmaking (if that is your training strategy).

If you play the same guy as a midfielder on Sunday, then as a defender midweek he will be classed as a defender and NOT trained.

If you want to save money, you can often do the following.

(Sunday - League)
GK1
Mid4 - Mid5 - Mid6
Mid7 - Mid1 - Mid2 - Mid3 - Mid8
STK1 - STK2

(Midweek - Friendly)
GK2
DEF1 - DEF2 - DEF3
Mid9 - Mid4 - Mid5 - Mid6 - Mid10
STK2 - STK3


In that sort of set-up you only need 18 players. You could get away with 17 by using your coach as GK2.

The three defenders can be completely rubbish - they are only playing friendlies and not being trained. Almost worth having the worst (therefore cheapest) players you can find.

Your 4 worst midfielders (the ones you rate 7, 8, 9, 10) play on the wings where they will get 50% training. Your best 6 play centrally to get 100% training.

At lower league levels playing midfielders as defenders won't cost you much.

So if I want to train lots of midfielders than the 3-5-2 is they way to build up lots of midfielders.

3-5-2 and 4-5-1 are the two formations that let you train the full 10 midfielders. 3-5-2 was the 'super' formation for years and years and although the developers have tried to tone things down, at lower levels you can dominate with a completely rubbish team if you play that way.

You can win a Div6 league almost by playing 3-5-2 and putting the right players in the right positions. Doesn't need a heap more than that.

 

[RoosterLad]

i just logged on to hattrick before and got a message about how my secretary wants to meet with me, and then he/she said something along the lines of
"The team has missed out on training for the week due the incomprehensible actions of the club manager."
what does this mean?? what actions caused my team to miss out on training?

 

[Weaver]

what does this mean?? what actions caused my team to miss out on training?

You must have played an invalid formation. Something like 4 inner midfielders or something like that.

 

[tribey]

what does this mean?? what actions caused my team to miss out on training?

You can only have a maximum of 3 inner midfielders or 3 central defenders.

Anything more than that results in an invalid formation such as 3-6-1, 4-6-0, 6-3-1 and so on.

You can play with these formations - as many NT coaches do for tactical reasons (they aren't effected by training) - but your players will miss out on training for that game and you'll lose a week of formation experience.