Hawks after Cox

[bzparkes]

So let me get this right, If hawthorn offered Rioli and their first rounder (approx pick #10) you'd knock it back?

Of course I would.

Well there you go. You should be questioning the posters who wouldn't take that deal. Not sure why you're questioning me when you agree with me?

Learn to read.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong. Excitement? All due respect but i'm not a halfwit. It's about cashing in the chips at the right time and timing towards the next flag.

So are the club. I don't see how Rioli and an unproven draft pick are going to win us our next flag, as opposed to the no.1 ruckman in the league who will still be playing by then.

Contradicting yourself aren't you? At the start of this post you said you'd do it.

Again, learn to read, I never agreed with you.

make no mistake, if Cox agreed to go West Coast would take that in a flah.

I would think they'd want more than that and they certainly wouldn't be initiating the deal.

Naita's a big boy.

So what? Tom Hawkins is a big boy but Geelong don't exactly have any decent big forwards to mentor him. Cox had Gardiner, who was an All-Australin ruckman to learn off and look how he's turned out. You think Cox won't have the same influence on Naita? You'd be insane to cast him off for that reason alone.

You don't knock back a profitable deal that will go a long way towards a new flag because you're emotional attached to a player.

You also don't cast off one of the best players in the comp, who will still be playing when you have a shot at your next flag, just because you want to get a small forward and an unproven draft pick

 

[Eagle87]

As of right now, Hawthorns pick would be Pick 7.

Again, as of now, that would give us Pick 6 & Pick 7.

And Rioli who is one of the most exciting forward/mids in the AFL and ticks the boxes in areas we currently lack.

Cox turned 28 a week ago and is out with an injury that, at his age, is a wear and tear injury that isn't necessarily non-recurring.

In 2 years he will be 30. Want to name all the Eagles who were still guns at 30?

Nick Nat will also be held back from being Number 1 ruckman for as long as Cox is in the side.

I am not saying we should do such a trade but not considering it would be silly. The reality is, the Hawks wouldn't do it - which probably suggests its worth considering.

I have previously indicated that I would consider a trade of Cox at the end of next season for GC's number 1 pick (for Swallow or Darling) as he will be 29 and they will both be superstars.

Anyone who reckons Cox will still be a running machine ruckman at the highest level in 4 years (aged 32) is pretty hopeful based on Eagles history - our players don't seem to last as long - and if Cox just becomes a normal ruckman, well, his rucking skills are good but not great. NN will be the number 1 ruckman within 2 years if he fulfills his potential - and at that point a 30 year old Cox will get us nothing via trade.

Not saying I'd do it, but I'd certainly think it through.

 

[bunsen burner]

So are the club. I don't see how Rioli and an unproven draft pick are going to win us our next flag, as opposed to the no.1 ruckman in the league who will still be playing by then.

Cox will be at the end of his career, maybe even finished. Won't be as good as he has been in last 5 years.

Rioli is a superstar and has 10 years in front of him. Most likely be peaking when our next flag chabce comes around. Pick 10 could be a dud, could be a solid 200 game player, or a very good player.

The percentages say the trade is a good one for us.

I would think they'd want more than that and they certainly wouldn't be initiating the deal.

I reckon they'd take that in a heartbeat if Cox was happy to go.

So what? Tom Hawkins is a big boy but Geelong don't exactly have any decent big forwards to mentor him. Cox had Gardiner, who was an All-Australin ruckman to learn off and look how he's turned out. You think Cox won't have the same influence on Naita? You'd be insane to cast him off for that reason alone.

Cox would be beneficial but naita will be able to make it on his own. His athleticism will enable him to be a star without mentoring.

You also don't cast off one of the best players in the comp, who will still be playing when you have a shot at your next flag, just because you want to get a small forward and an unproven draft pick

Cox is 28 and having injury problems. Might have 4 pretty good seasons left. It's touch and go if we will be in flag contention by then.

Rioli is 20. he'll be peaking in 4-6 years. And then pick 10 could be a bonus gun.

ps Rioli will be a gun midfielder.

 

[Kerrby]

Can we disguise Seaby as Cox?

Haha, classic.

 

[beatlesmith]

So unbelievably unlikely i'm surprised i'm even posting, but....

Pick 7 and Rioli would be awful tempting.

Maybe Roughead to Geelong (need the KPF)
J.Selwood to WC (he would never leave but let me dream)
Cox to Hawthorn (already have buddy, need a ruckman)

 

[15_year_member]

I think it can be done. I think players will agree to pay cuts if they think it will land them a flag. What's questionable is whether they can acquire what West Coast would accept for a trade (assuming Cox agreed to go). They'll probably get pick 9 or 10 and would have to couple that with a player to prize melbourne's #1 or 2 pick from them. Or hand over Buddy, Cyril, or roughie.

Do you realise that Hawthorn have to re-sign, either this year or next, Hodge, Franklin, Roughead and Rioli, all of whom are on way less than market value already. Rioli is on a rookie contract. Not to mention that maybe some 2nd tier players are out of contract aswell? And they are already paying 100% of the cap. And that all of those players are still in the age bracket that the GC17 wants to target and that they have either one or two million more bucks to spend than the other clubs and can pick these players up without trading? So they are already going to have to accept way less than market value just to keep the current list together, let alone bring in more highly paid players. It's so completely not possible for hawthorn to go after another AA player that it's laughable, in my opinion.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

They would only chase him because they think they would get him for a bargain. The reality is he does not have that many years left and they may think we would consider offloading him while he still has any value. In other words, they would only be interested if they weren't paying a premium. That would mean we would have to be willing to part with a pretty miniscule amount considering what he adds to our side.

Just more Victorian trade guff.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Hawthorn are always after Cox....

 

[INSANE]

while we are talking doodles, does any one else here have a pin dick like me??

just wondering

 

[deliberate!!]

At a guess, I think other teams want Cox because you guys won't play him.

What is it this week? Malaria? Snow Blindness? or his wooden leg has a termite infection?

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

At a guess, I think other teams want Cox because you guys won't play him.

What is it this week? Malaria? Snow Blindness? or his wooden leg has a termite infection?

Heh, yeah. WE'RE the ones who are tanking.

Blah blah blah, and the horse you rode in on.

 

[dajesmac]

The Langley Lesbians?

Hahahahaha

 

[keviewiggle]

Everyone has a price.

Yeh:Rioli,Hodge & Franklin plus first round pick.
A ruckman like Cox comes around every 200 years.

 

[bunsen burner]

Do you realise that Hawthorn have to re-sign, either this year or next, Hodge, Franklin, Roughead and Rioli, all of whom are on way less than market value already. Rioli is on a rookie contract. Not to mention that maybe some 2nd tier players are out of contract aswell? And they are already paying 100% of the cap. And that all of those players are still in the age bracket that the GC17 wants to target and that they have either one or two million more bucks to spend than the other clubs and can pick these players up without trading? So they are already going to have to accept way less than market value just to keep the current list together, let alone bring in more highly paid players. It's so completely not possible for hawthorn to go after another AA player that it's laughable, in my opinion.

1. Brisbane and Geelong did it
2. They will have to give something up, ie a roughie or a rioli. There's a slab of cash right there.

 

[bunsen burner]

At a guess, I think other teams want Cox because you guys won't play him.

What is it this week? Malaria? Snow Blindness? or his wooden leg has a termite infection?

He's over at your sisters place so he can't make it.

 

[bodazoka]

As of right now, Hawthorns pick would be Pick 7.

Again, as of now, that would give us Pick 6 & Pick 7.

And Rioli who is one of the most exciting forward/mids in the AFL and ticks the boxes in areas we currently lack.

Cox turned 28 a week ago and is out with an injury that, at his age, is a wear and tear injury that isn't necessarily non-recurring.

In 2 years he will be 30. Want to name all the Eagles who were still guns at 30?

Nick Nat will also be held back from being Number 1 ruckman for as long as Cox is in the side.

I am not saying we should do such a trade but not considering it would be silly. The reality is, the Hawks wouldn't do it - which probably suggests its worth considering.

I have previously indicated that I would consider a trade of Cox at the end of next season for GC's number 1 pick (for Swallow or Darling) as he will be 29 and they will both be superstars.

Anyone who reckons Cox will still be a running machine ruckman at the highest level in 4 years (aged 32) is pretty hopeful based on Eagles history - our players don't seem to last as long - and if Cox just becomes a normal ruckman, well, his rucking skills are good but not great. NN will be the number 1 ruckman within 2 years if he fulfills his potential - and at that point a 30 year old Cox will get us nothing via trade.

Not saying I'd do it, but I'd certainly think it through.

What value would you put on 4 years worth of leadership from Cox?

Id ask BB but... you know...

 

[bunsen burner]

What value would you put on 4 years worth of leadership from Cox?

Not much.

Leadership, winning culture, teaching young players etc is vastly over rated.

If Cox steps out there will be someone else to step up and take his place such as Selwood or Hurn.

10 years of Rioli magic, 4 of that being on the up is a better upside than 4 years of Cox. Not only that, it fits better with our flag timing. Anyone who thinks the eagles wouldn't take Rioli and pick 7-10 for Cox is delusional.

I don't think the hawks would offer it but stranger things have happened. They may feel that the last 6 of Rioli's career is unimportant as they will be out of the window and the current coaching staff will be long gone, and then they may feel Cox is the missing piece and a must have.

As I said, it's very short sighted to block the ears and not even listen to offers. These people who are point blank "we should never trade Cox, ever" are spaccas.

 

[Genesis67]

If the Hawks offered Franklin + 1st Rounder for Cox + 2nd Rounder, I'd give it some thought.

They may come with an offer similar to that if this hoo haa is genuine. They'd know that any offer less than that is simply going to get thrown out the window. They have Thorp waiting in the wings as a replacement KPF, getting rid of Franklin relieves some of the salary cap stress, though whether or not it would be enough to cover Cox + the imminent payrises Hodge and co will seek I don't know.

We could then convince Seabs to stay another season or two as the mature age #2 ruckman, draft another one to develop, have two top 10 picks, and away we go.

Imagine a forward line of:

HF: LeCras Kennedy Wirrpanda
FF: Jetta Franklin McKinley

That forward line can, and will, score from anywhere.

 

[bzparkes]

More likely that Hawthorn will be after Seaby anyway. I don't think WCE would have any intention of trading him after they gave him a 4 year contract.

 

[drexel]

Damn if we could get Rioli for Cox in a straight swap, we'd be laughing all the way to a GF next year.

Hawks would never even think it though unless Rioli was terminally ill or something.

 

[bunsen burner]

If the Hawks offered Franklin + 1st Rounder for Cox + 2nd Rounder, I'd give it some thought.

They may come with an offer similar to that if this hoo haa is genuine. They'd know that any offer less than that is simply going to get thrown out the window. They have Thorp waiting in the wings as a replacement KPF, getting rid of Franklin relieves some of the salary cap stress, though whether or not it would be enough to cover Cox + the imminent payrises Hodge and co will seek I don't know.

We could then convince Seabs to stay another season or two as the mature age #2 ruckman, draft another one to develop, have two top 10 picks, and away we go.

Imagine a forward line of:

HF: LeCras Kennedy Wirrpanda
FF: Jetta Franklin McKinley

That forward line can, and will, score from anywhere.

I think Buddy's whole family moved over there? Not sure if he will be keen to come back. And I think Buddy is the one player they want to hang on to. I think Roughie is the most likely candidate if they really did feel that they couldn't win the flag without Cox.

 

[Genesis67]

Bianca and their mum are still over here I thought?

I've heard that Hawthorn think Roughead will actually end up the better player of the two, and as a result is the more valued of the two. Don't get me wrong, I'd consider the offer if it was Roughead as well, but I'd prefer Buddy.

Roughead is the same type of player that Kennedy looks to be developing into: strong mark, excellent kick, whole hearted, very resilient and dependable, team orientated....quality without being showy about it. TBH, I think we could do with a bit of the razzamatazz that Buddy can produce.

 

[bunsen burner]

Bianca and their mum are still over here I thought?

I must have been thinking about someone else. I just wonder if the Hawks may think Roughie needs to be the main man to reach his peak?

Either trade would be lopsided in our favour at face value but it depends how Hawthorn percieve their balance. They may think Cox is crusial right here right now and that one of their guns they can do without.

 

[bodazoka]

What do you think Hawthorn would offer for Cox BB?

 

[Genesis67]

Either trade would be lopsided in our favour at face value but it depends how Hawthorn percieve their balance. They may think Cox is crucial right here right now and that one of their guns they can do without.

I suspect you're correct.

Maybe the Hawks have realised this year that their premiership window may well close quicker than they expected, so they need to squeeze every chance they can get out of the next few years. The whole competition can see where their main weakness lies, getting Coxy goes a long way towards remedying that problem.

If paying over the odds on a trade bought you a premiership, would you pay it? I know I would.