Game Day Hawthorn v Adelaide UTAS Stadium 7.10pm

[kirky]

Dowling vs Murphy, career averages

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One having been in system for 1 year the other in his 8th.

 

[kirky]

My "it's bad to abuse the players" take is apparently ruffling the feathers of people who would prefer to continue abusing the players, unfettered.

Who is abusing players?

If you consider, genuine criticism of a player abuse, then I can’t help you.

 

[dogs105]

Unless they deleted comments, I didn’t see anything attacking Murphy personally.

I saw 2 pretty abhorrent ones that are now no longer there.

 

[dogs105]

Who is abusing players?

Some morons on Facebook, that the club had to delete.

Seems they have deleted some tame stuff also, which seems a bit weak.

 

[AmericanCrow]

Annnnndddd yet another ridiculous start time. Can we at least name a round after me and set it at a reasonable hour??!!

 

[FR0GGY]

I saw 2 pretty abhorrent ones that are now no longer there.

They’ll always be the ridiculous outliers in everything unfortunately.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Who is abusing players?

If you consider, genuine criticism of a player abuse, then I can’t help you.

Enough fans that the club admin had to post on two different platforms. What did you post as a reply?

 

[cleanhands]

Annnnndddd yet another ridiculous start time. Can we at least name a round after me and set it at a reasonable hour??!!

Suggestions?

 

[1990crow]

Lid will be well and truly off if we win this.

 

[dogs105]

Who would be the better clearance players on our list after Peatling and Crouch?

Taylor or Bond?

 

[Afcprophet]

There's only one way for Murphy to silence the criticism, play well.

 

[cleanhands]

There's only one way for Murphy to silence the criticism, play well.

115 games % in his favour

 

[kirky]

There's only one way for Murphy to silence the criticism, play well.

Well perhaps a 20+ possession game (would be the second one of his career) and multiple goals (only done that 11 times over 8 years) would be a start.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Murphy selection can’t even be justified on SANFL form. I watched the game last week and almost every kick he did was a complete shank. He was way worse that a whole heap of other players.

 

[Betts are off]

Lid will be well and truly off if we win this.

Me too, we are playing for 2nd spot and a 10th win before the bye round. Regardless of selection or what you think of Nicks as a coach, to be able to say that is pretty flipping amazing!

At this point I think its safe to let go of the compounded frustration of 7 years without finals, and start getting excited for the potential of this season.

We win tonight, and I'll be mailing the lid to North Pole, cause I won't have any use for it!

 

[AmericanCrow]

Suggestions?

Fautores Transmarini Circum

 

[GreyCrow]

Not really. Murphy is a pressure forward who's been selected to apply forward pressure, a weakness of ours, against a side who's biggest threat to us is defensive rebound.

Shouldnt defensive rebound be a concern against every side? Currently clubs are running players off Tex and we havent rushed Murph in until now

His selection will allow Rankine (and perhaps Rachele/Keays) to rotate through the middle more while still rolling with three talls.

Lets hope

Murphy, for his many faults, is currently better at the specific role he's been asked to play tonight than any of the mooted alternatives,

I dont think he is better than any alternative. What he does have is more game time - which seems to be the criteria for his selection

even though they (Draper, Taylor, Dowling) will all hopefully have better long-term AFL careers.

Amen

 

[cleanhands]

Fautores Transmarini Circum

You Americans talk funny

 

[jenny61_99]

Even the Happy Clappers have turned after the Murphy selection

The club put a comment on its Facebook page on the team selection post "Footballers are human too, please be kind or reconsider leaving a comment"

Its that attitude why we can't take the next step, can't upset little Lachie now can we

They have a point though. People constantly go after the player instead of those that select him. It’s not his fault he gets picked. I have a basic rule.. go after the decisions and actions, not the person - in other words- play the ball, not the man.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Shouldnt defensive rebound be a concern against every side? Currently clubs are running players off Tex and we havent rushed Murph in until now

Yep, of course, but the Hawks are a slightly unique case. Most clubs generate more scores from their forward half, they're about 50/50. Weddle is a big threat against us. And the loss of Peatling will probably make us less defensively secure at stoppage, so Murphy's inclusion is a way of offsetting that, albeit mostly in a different area of the field (although he'll also push up to secondary mid-zone stoppages).

I dont think he is better than any alternative. What he does have is more game time - which seems to be the criteria for his selection

This is where we disagree. I like Draper, Taylor and Dowling. I don't agree there's a high chance that any of them will perform that specific defensive forward role better than Murphy will, tonight.

 

[cleanhands]

Yep, of course, but the Hawks are a slightly unique case. Most clubs generate more scores from their forward half, they're about 50/50. Weddle is a big threat against us. And the loss of Peatling will probably make us less defensively secure at stoppage, so Murphy's inclusion is a way of offsetting that, albeit mostly in a different area of the field (although he'll also push up to secondary mid-zone stoppages).



This is where we disagree. I like Draper, Taylor and Dowling. I don't agree there's a high chance that any of them will perform that specific defensive forward role better than Murphy will, tonight.

I struggle to see what Murphy is picked for accomplished

 

[Sizzlepack]

I struggle to see what Murphy is picked for accomplished

Your sentence might have cut off prematurely?

 

[cleanhands]

Your sentence might have cut off prematurely?

Poor at his job

 

[GreyCrow]

Fautores Transmarini Circum

I had a Transmarini with fat tyres once

Did 0-100 in half a day

 

[Sizzlepack]

Poor at his job

I think Murphy is a slightly below-average pressure forward at AFL level. Several people on this board seem to believe he's the worst player in the AFL, worst player in the club's history, etc. I disagree with that but don't really mind people holding that view. I also don't know how many times I can repeat my basic point: for his many flaws, I think he'll produce better output as the 22nd player tonight than the mooted alternatives. If we disagree on that, then we've hit a fundamental (but hopefully cordial) impasse.