Hewitt is a hack

[Rohan25]

Hewitt has winning records against all of them, as well as a few other number 1's.

Murray and Nadal have winning records against Fedoror.

Yet he's the greatest player of all time ?

Or are they both better ?

Look if you want to discuss it that's fine, but learn to quote properly can you? It's too hard to follow when you keep ****ing it up.

Your Murray/Nadal records have nothing to do with Hewitt's record against other number 1 players. Looking at the 4 players I named, there is nothing any of them can do, that Hewitt couldn't do better. He also had the record against them to back it up. All you say is that they were "comfortably better", with nothing to back it up other than an Andy Murray v Federer stat. Do you know who the 4 players I mentioned are?

Also, you said that Hewitt's 2001 draw contained "1 good player" when it had 3 number 1's and a number 2. It's just ignorant.

I can tell you don't like the guy, that's fine. There's a few players I just can't take seriously either. But the bloke had a decent game, and got the absolute most out of his career. There are many great players who didn't have careers half as successful as Hewitt.

 

[Furn]

Look if you want to discuss it that's fine, but learn to quote properly can you? It's too hard to follow when you keep ****ing it up.

Your Murray/Nadal records have nothing to do with Hewitt's record against other number 1 players. Looking at the 4 players I named, there is nothing any of them can do, that Hewitt couldn't do better. He also had the record against them to back it up. All you say is that they were "comfortably better", with nothing to back it up other than an Andy Murray v Federer stat. Do you know who the 4 players I mentioned are?

Also, you said that Hewitt's 2001 draw contained "1 good player" when it had 3 number 1's and a number 2. It's just ignorant.

I can tell you don't like the guy, that's fine. There's a few players I just can't take seriously either. But the bloke had a decent game, and got the absolute most out of his career. There are many great players who didn't have careers half as successful as Hewitt.

Ok you brought up some hacks that got to no1. All duds in the bigger scheme of things. Leyton is one of them and IMO the worst.

He clearly benefited from a lull in the talent when he won slams and was no1.

Does me saying Brad Hardy make Scott Wynd as good as Bob Skilton ? NO a hack is a hack some of them get lucky.

I dont dislike the guy, I just cant stand the whole build up he gets like hes a top player when he does nothing 99% of the time and then whoever beats him is built up to be unbeatable.

Federor wont win this tournament, but when he beats Hewitt he's a god, because only someone not from this earth could beat the almighty Leyton right ?




But the word great and Hewitt should never be used in the same sentence.

 

[Rohan25]

Federor wont win this tournament, but when he beats Hewitt he's a god, because only someone not from this earth could beat the almighty Leyton right ?

I don't think that's true. Nobody seriously rates Federer's chances any higher than they did because he beat Hewitt. In fact, I'd say most experts that perused the draw prior to the tournament predicted a Federer v Baghdatis 4th round matchup. In any case, nobody was seriously talking up Hewitt's chances for the win tonight. Not that I heard anyway, you might have heard some different stuff to me.

 

[Thrawn]

Furn, please stop embarrassing yourself.

I hate Hewitt and even I think you're full of it.

 

[Davo23]

Your a d!&khead. He has giving his all for this country and you come up with that load of crap. Go and have a long look at yourself in the mirror you tosser. It's people like you that really get on my nerves.

See, here's where I have a problem: you can support him, but Hewitt is not playing for his country in the Australian Open, he's playing for himself.

Unless he's going to share the prize money around, I can't see what he's doing for his country.



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[LukeParkerno1]

He is an honest toiler. The quicker we get through our heads that the best he can hope for is a semi final (assuming he draws the Nadal side of the draw) the better. I said it before the match, he'd lose in 3 if he tried to win it from the baseline!

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

See, here's where I have a problem: you can support him, but Hewitt is not playing for his country in the Australian Open, he's playing for himself.

Unless he's going to share the prize money around, I can't see what he's doing for his country.

True, but he did put his international career on hold to focus on representing his country in Davis Cup. Cash/Poo never did that... Not even the venerable Rafter did that....

I know why people hate Hewitt and it is pathetic. Why you would hate someone for being a battler and constantly getting the best out of himself is beyond me. His international reputation is that of a real fighter who is not beaten until game,set,match is called. Shame so many of his countrymen hate him because of this.

Threads like this make me chuckle. I've said my bit. You may now continue your anti-Hewitt crusade. Who knows, maybe he'll read this, call you up to complain and then you can feel good because he actually gives a **** about what you think.

 

[Davo23]

True, but he did put his international career on hold to focus on representing his country in Davis Cup. Cash/Poo never did that... Not even the venerable Rafter did that....

Ha ha, now your making it up as you go.

What tournaments did he miss to play Davis Cup?

And you avoided my point that Hewitt played the Australian Open, and every other tournament, to win for himself - or did he share the prize money with you?



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[Hawks1523]

Worst thread I've ever seen.

 

[Caesar]

What tournaments did he miss to play Davis Cup?

In 2003 he skipped the entire European indoor season in order to focus on leading Australia to the Davis Cup title. There's some pretty decent tournaments there (Prix de Lyon, Kremlin Cup) not to mention the Paris and Madrid Masters and season-ending Masters Cup.

I'm not the biggest fan of Hewitt, but the guy has 25+ titles (including 2 different GSs and 2 Masters Cups) spread over all four surfaces. He's one of only a handful of players with over 500 tour wins. He's twice been ATP Player of the Year, and he's the third-youngest person to win an ATP Tour title. To top it off he's the youngest ever male to be ranked #1, and his 80-week reign is the eighth-longest of any player, longer than such luminaries as Edberg, Becker, Courier and Wilander.

By no means do I think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but hack he most certainly is not.

 

[MaccaKnowsBest]

I know why people hate Hewitt and it is pathetic. Why you would hate someone for being a battler and constantly getting the best out of himself is beyond me. His international reputation is that of a real fighter who is not beaten until game,set,match is called. Shame so many of his countrymen hate him because of this.

Far out, if you believe those are the reasons why people dislike Hewitt then you need to do some research

 

[Dr Awkward]

Davo: He IS representing our country every time he plays. Cant you see the little 'AUS' next to his name?

Anyway I dont really think he is capable of beating the best players anymore but if you win two grand slams and you are world number 1 for two years then you are a legend of Australian tennis. It doesnt matter if it was a 'weak' period of tennis, if you are No. 1 at any given point in time then that is an amazing acheivement, you cant pot him.

Also in the last 3/4 years he has had a terrible run of grand slam draws. He seems to run into either Fed / Rafa early in every one. I think if he ran into Del Pot/Murray/ Djoko he would have more of a chance.

 

[SJ]

Lleyton Hewitt

Career titles: 27
Grand Slam titles: 2
Career prize money: US$18,291,036

I think he's had a bloody good career. A great Australian sportsperson.

 

[Leo Barry You Star]

Davo: He IS representing our country every time he plays. Cant you see the little 'AUS' next to his name?

Is that little 'AUS' engraved on the Grand Slam Trophies?

 

[Dr Awkward]

Is that little 'AUS' engraved on the Grand Slam Trophies?

Dude what are you talking about, every person who has heard of Hewitt would know what country he is from. Any player that you know, you know their country and you associate that person with their country. Same as Mark Webber or Cadel Evans or any other individual sportsperson.

 

[hirdy_is_champ]

True, but he did put his international career on hold to focus on representing his country in Davis Cup. Cash/Poo never did that... Not even the venerable Rafter did that....

I know why people hate Hewitt and it is pathetic. Why you would hate someone for being a battler and constantly getting the best out of himself is beyond me. His international reputation is that of a real fighter who is not beaten until game,set,match is called. Shame so many of his countrymen hate him because of this.

Threads like this make me chuckle. I've said my bit. You may now continue your anti-Hewitt crusade. Who knows, maybe he'll read this, call you up to complain and then you can feel good because he actually gives a **** about what you think.

The dislike of Hewitt doesn't come from him being a "battler" it comes from him on numerous occasions being a sook. E.g. the AO court debacle around 2006 where he was whinging that the courts didn't suit him, this that and the other thing, so he yells out "FIX THE COURTS" during his match because he wasn't winning. It's just one of many, personally I don't like or dislike him but I can certainly see why people don't like him.

And Roddick gets off lightly in the regard because I actually reckon he sooks more than Hewitt and for the most part he's in the wrong. Roddick has been a fwit this AO.

 

[likka]

Seriously if this guy isnt the worst no1 the world has ever seen then im Margaret Thatcher!

Michael Chang says "Hi".

Parallels between the two are stark.

 

[Leo Barry You Star]

Michael Chang says "Hi".

Parallels between the two are stark.

Actually, Chang was never number one.

 

[Leo Barry You Star]

Dude what are you talking about, every person who has heard of Hewitt would know what country he is from. Any player that you know, you know their country and you associate that person with their country. Same as Mark Webber or Cadel Evans or any other individual sportsperson.

So I take it that's a no? Looks like Davo has a point then.

Your argument was that he is representing Australia every time he plays because of a little 'AUS' next to his name. If a player's nationality doesn't appear on the trophies that they win then doesn't that prove that they are playing for themselves? Their nationality is merely trivial.

 

[Caesar]

There is a difference between 'playing for' and 'representing'.

Like it or not, Hewitt (like other high-profile sportspeople) is something of an ambassador for Australians overseas - intentionally or no.

 

[mdc]

Comfortably better than Rios, Ferrero, Muster and Moya, and that's just off the top of my head.

At their best, all of those bar Muster were better players. Hewitt obviously has been far more consistent though over the journey.

 

[smoovy]

Was voted the third best player of the last decade.

People forget that he wasn't no.1 for a fleeting moment. He ended the year no.1 for 2 consecutive years.

Pat Rafter made no. 1 for a week or 2, really due to a rankings quirk.

 

[gaelictiogar]

Whenever someone doesn't like a player that someone tells us the player only won slams because it was a "weak" or "transitional" period. No proof or logic is given. Just a statement. I mean we have one forumer convinced we are in a 7 year transitional period as we speak.

Hewitt won two grand slams and was world number 1. By definition he is a top player. Not a Federer of a Borg or a Connors. No he was not as good as them but there have been several number one players who survived less than a year at number one and were excellent players. Hewitt is one.

 

[Leo Barry You Star]

Whenever someone doesn't like a player that someone tells us the player only won slams because it was a "weak" or "transitional" period. No proof or logic is given. Just a statement.

What other players have you seen this applied to?

2002 Top 8
1. Hewitt
2. Kuerten
3. Agassi
4. Kafelnikov
5. Ferrero
6. Grosjean
7. Rafter
8. Haas

To compare I'll list the Top 8 from five years either side

1997 Top 8
1. Sampras
2. Chang
3. Ivanisevic
4. Kafelnikov
5. Muster
6. Becker
7. Krajicek
8. Agassi

2007 Top 8
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Davydenko
5. Ferrer
6. Roddick
7. Gonzalez
8. Gasquet

 

[Rohan25]

At their best, all of those bar Muster were better players. Hewitt obviously has been far more consistent though over the journey.

Well Rios and Moya were at their best in the late 90's, when Hewitt had just started, so they really got a chance to play each other at their best. Still, Moya had no weapons that Hewitt didn't have, and mostly saved his best performances for one surface. His record at Grand Slams after his peak years were fairly average, and at Wimbledon he was mediocre. For his career never Moya went 70.6% on Clay, whereas Hewitt went 68.8%. Overall, Hewitt went 74.18%, whereas Moya went 64.5%

Rios did have weapons that Hewitt didn't, but he had no heart, was lazy, and only played when he felt like it. He had no respect amongst the players, and I recall hearing John McEnroe saying exactly that on TV one day. He openly admitted having tanked when he fell behind in matches. His best surface was also clay, but his winning percentage on Clay was the same as Hewitts and only 67% for his career. No Grand Slam titles, and only three victories in just 3 appearances at Wimbledon. A joke of a number 1.

I figure Ferrero was at his best from 2000-2003, where he had a fantastic run at the French Open, including 1 title (over Martin Verkerk) and 1 runners-up, as well as a runner up at the US Open. Hewitt won 2 grand Slams during this time, and was number 1 for 80 weeks, and year end number 1 in 2001 and 2002. Hewitt at his best outperformed Ferrero at his best. Ferrero was slightly more consistent on all surfaces than Rios and Moya however with a result of 65.2% on Grass, but Hewitt went 80.2% on Grass.

Those 3 guys cannot claim that they had Hewitt's measure at any stage.