High Performance Discussion

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Somewhere to discuss sports science around our club. Body types, muscle building at the club, speed and endurance.

I've seen a few discussions in other threads but it doesnt necessarily fit list management.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

My purpose for starting the thread:


http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-23/running-men-keeping-track-of-your-clubs-speedsters
Team distance: 2573.5km

Distance kings
1. Ed Curnow 14.9km
2. Marc Murphy 14.8
3. Sam Kerridge 14.7

Curnow is one of the best gut runners in the competition. He is often assigned the opposition's best midfielders and generally out-runs them. Murphy and Kerridge also cover plenty of territory.

Speedsters
1. David Cuningham 34.2km/h
2. Liam Jones 33.1
3. Ciaran Byrne 32.6

No wonder the Blues are lacking for speed – Cuningham played in the VFL last Saturday and Byrne is out with a quad injury. Jones has explosive speed for a big guy.

 

[thylacine60]

god we're slow - aspects of running (patterns, style, endurance) can all be improved on though - can't they?

 

[BluesRule]

My purpose for starting the thread:


http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-23/running-men-keeping-track-of-your-clubs-speedsters
Team distance: 2573.5km

Distance kings
1. Ed Curnow 14.9km
2. Marc Murphy 14.8
3. Sam Kerridge 14.7

Curnow is one of the best gut runners in the competition. He is often assigned the opposition's best midfielders and generally out-runs them. Murphy and Kerridge also cover plenty of territory.

Speedsters
1. David Cuningham 34.2km/h
2. Liam Jones 33.1
3. Ciaran Byrne 32.6

No wonder the Blues are lacking for speed – Cuningham played in the VFL last Saturday and Byrne is out with a quad injury. Jones has explosive speed for a big guy.

I think it is interesting that we have chosen a few good runners at the last few drafts. Just need to play them uninjured.
I think our young tall players are really good on endurance eg. Curnow, Mckay, Macreadie, weitering, marchbank, TDK, Kerr, etc. Just need more development and I could see an edge in mobility.

However the raw stats of Gaff show why we should try and get him in (15.9km)

 

[Coops93]

god we're slow - aspects of running (patterns, style, endurance) can all be improved on though - can't they?

I've read before that only 20% of speed can be trained, the other 80% is simply genetics. Doesn't mean it's not worth trying - Cripps is much quicker than he used to be after he said he did sprint training one off-season. Not explosive don't get me wrong, but better. It's worth doing.

Similar to distance running, a large part is genetic. Some guys just can run forever with only brief training. But I'd say more of that can be trained than sprint speed. O'Brien seems like one who could be a distance runner. I wonder what Docs numbers were last season? He seemed to cover a bit.

 

[Faz 2000]

The top speeds don't make for great reading from our point of view. Pretty limited data, but it looks like just about every other team has at least 3 guys that are faster than just about anyone playing for Carlton right now.

I also find it interesting that each week Lingy is "surprised" that a KPD or similiar is in the most distance covered stats on the ground, yet these stats suggest that at many teams some KPP sized players are near the top in this area. Ie. It's normal.

 

[Jimmae]

My purpose for starting the thread:


http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-23/running-men-keeping-track-of-your-clubs-speedsters
Team distance: 2573.5km

Distance kings
1. Ed Curnow 14.9km
2. Marc Murphy 14.8
3. Sam Kerridge 14.7

Curnow is one of the best gut runners in the competition. He is often assigned the opposition's best midfielders and generally out-runs them. Murphy and Kerridge also cover plenty of territory.

Speedsters
1. David Cuningham 34.2km/h
2. Liam Jones 33.1
3. Ciaran Byrne 32.6

No wonder the Blues are lacking for speed – Cuningham played in the VFL last Saturday and Byrne is out with a quad injury. Jones has explosive speed for a big guy.

Our top 5 seems to be running further than any other in the competition. As I've been saying all along, through injury and performance management, fitness training, nutrition, sports science and our talent ID process, we've been undershooting consistently on basic athletic performance in some of our draftees, and overshooting in training loading.

We are a mess, and these statistics simply underscore that we're leaving too much to too few because of these decisions.

The top speeds don't make for great reading from our point of view. Pretty limited data, but it looks like just about every other team has at least 3 guys that are faster than just about anyone playing for Carlton right now.

I also find it interesting that each week Lingy is "surprised" that a KPD or similiar is in the most distance covered stats on the ground, yet these stats suggest that at many teams some KPP sized players are near the top in this area. Ie. It's normal.

1 km/h = 27 cm/s, but remember this is peak speed. Most players would only sustain this for a second or so in a 50 metre sprint.

The gap there is mostly our current injury/fitness concerns, rather than an outright disadvantage. Our best 25-30 players hold up with the rest of the competition just fine, and that number will only increase in that respect over time.

 

[norway blue]

Great thread. Jones is athletic and fast that’s for sure.


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[Blue since 72]

My purpose for starting the thread:


http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-23/running-men-keeping-track-of-your-clubs-speedsters
Team distance: 2573.5km

Distance kings
1. Ed Curnow 14.9km
2. Marc Murphy 14.8
3. Sam Kerridge 14.7

Curnow is one of the best gut runners in the competition. He is often assigned the opposition's best midfielders and generally out-runs them. Murphy and Kerridge also cover plenty of territory.

Speedsters
1. David Cuningham 34.2km/h
2. Liam Jones 33.1
3. Ciaran Byrne 32.6

No wonder the Blues are lacking for speed – Cuningham played in the VFL last Saturday and Byrne is out with a quad injury. Jones has explosive speed for a big guy.

Off topic somewhat in places but for the purposes of context:

Would like to see Pickett's top speed, reckon he might be a tad higher than Cunners.

However outright speed is not the be all and end all. Fitness in a repeat running sense would be my key running kpi and obviously growth in muscle mass for both outright strength and explosiveness. Lots of young guys will not be at their peak in any of this yet.

Add more draftees to those same young blokes along with a few new senior players with perhaps questionable credentials and the turnover count will go up, especially later in games. This will ruin you physically every game. It also means you look slow and disorganised.

In the games we won last year we were patient and clean with the ball. taking out injury and form for some, the players as a whole have not transitioned well to a more attacking game style at all. All of a sudden a fairly disciplined approach has been replaced with a more frantic harder running style and the quality has dropped away massively.

Whats the current "peak of their powers" age for an AFL player, 24 roughly? how many of those do we have that are any good?

I expected more this year but I can see now I am at least a year out in my expectation, probably two.

The young guys need to see a few more largely uninterrupted preseasons under their belts before we see sustained quality in fitness, strength and skills for 4 quarters.

We haven't drafted spuds, we have drafted a lot of young men who are not yet in a position to be able to succeed consistently.

 

[norway blue]

Exactly. You don’t run around like a headless chook etc . It has to be maximised perfect running from half back to half forward or short quick 5 metre burst and reading the play .


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[LanceRomance]

I thought this discussion would be a high performance one

not about high performance management

 

[Jabba73]

Can’t improve your running ability while injured. Seems to holding plenty of our players back atm.

 

[norway blue]

I thought this discussion would be a high performance one

not about high performance management

I thought it was same thing .


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[ferrisb]

I thought this discussion would be a high performance one

not about high performance management

I was thinking ODN had renamed the * saga thread.....

 

[Soapy V]

god we're slow - aspects of running (patterns, style, endurance) can all be improved on though - can't they?

We miss Pickett and when Dow & SPS are AFL fit I don't think it will be an issue. Then there is LeBois

 

[Stig O'Hara]

One thing I always thought we should have/had is a sprint coach in regards to technique.

 

[thylacine60]

numbers, what's your best time couch to fridge and return?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

numbers, what's your best time couch to fridge and return?

Usually after a goal. Sometimes throw in a Vin Cattogio blind turn unintentionally depending on sobriety.

Dunny, fridge, check the roast, dart...can do that in a quarter time break.

 

[thylacine60]

hands washed between dunny and roast?

 

[ferrisb]

Life is full of compromise, T.

Hygiene OR back before the bounce.

You gotta choose.

 

[Blue and Silver]

High performance...

As a Carlton fan I can't say I am familiar

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

hands washed between dunny and roast?

No, but the fridge could do with a scrub.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Usually after a goal. Sometimes throw in a Vin Cattogio blind turn unintentionally depending on sobriety.

Dunny, fridge, check the roast, dart...can do that in a quarter time break.

Dunny ... dart ..at the same time if its night game ..kill 2 birds with..

 

[Blues_1864]

High Performance sounds like a great idea! When can we start?

 

[JustaBattler]

If Carlton isn't asking the hard questions to fitness staff - I would be surprised. The player preparation and maintenance side of the football equation at Carlton has been abysmal for years.