High Performance Discussion

[Jimmae]

I've often wondered how many of our footballers utilise it. I know a lot of NFL players do and swear by it.

It would really help to alleviate soft tissue injuries. A lot of work goes into bulking up muscles but not as much on lengthening them. There's things besides yoga that would help this, but that would be the first stop you'd think. It would help with recovery too, given the stretching aspect would prevent/alleviate some lactic acid build up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid#Exercise_and_lactate

tl;dr version: lactate build up is what happens when the body doesn't have enough oxygen for normal aerobic metabolic processes. It's presence mitigates this lack of sufficient oxygen.

The typical build-up and later clearance that happens is not the problem, it's the huge increase in demand for energy beyond current respiratory capacity to draw in oxygen or deliver glucose.

 

[Coops93]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid#Exercise_and_lactate

tl;dr version: lactate build up is what happens when the body doesn't have enough oxygen for normal aerobic metabolic processes. It's presence mitigates this lack of sufficient oxygen.

The typical build-up and later clearance that happens is not the problem, it's the huge increase in demand for energy beyond current respiratory capacity to draw in oxygen or deliver glucose.

So it may not be beneficial from that perspective, but it definitely would help with injury prevention and strength.

 

[Jimmae]

So it may not be beneficial from that perspective, but it definitely would help with injury prevention and strength.

Yes, by strengthening the weaker angles of movement around joints and increasing blood flow in a way that isn't demanding to anaerobic metabolism.

It's also been used in the AFL for decades, and with regularity over the last decade. Do you think we're employing people who are medically incompetent?

 

[Coops93]

Yes, by strengthening the weaker angles of movement around joints and increasing blood flow in a way that isn't demanding to anaerobic metabolism.

It's also been used in the AFL for decades, and with regularity over the last decade. Do you think we're employing people who are medically incompetent?

Well, given the recurrences of injuries we've had this season and returns of clearly not quite recovered players, yes. I'd say we do have a medical department that's wanting at the moment.

So it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if we weren't doing it.

 

[Jimmae]

Well, given the recurrences of injuries we've had this season and returns of clearly not quite recovered players, yes. I'd say we do have a medical department that's wanting at the moment.

So it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if we weren't doing it.

Wanting vs utterly incompetent when it's an elite environment in one of the world's most demanding sports are two very different things.

Your argument is genuinely laughable.

 

[Masqualero]

Top 5 total distance:
Collingwood - 2635 km
Melbourne - 2613 km
GWS - 2607 km
Geelong - 2581 km
Carlton - 2573 km

So the problem isn't the total distance at all, it's who is covering it (i.e. no one under 22 is pulling their weight). Naturally, top speed is suffering as a result.

Where you would probably find the club and I disagree is the merits of flogging the kids this way in terms of building up their anaerobic and aerobic tolerance. I personally don't see the benefit, and if you look at the development factory that Sydney is at the moment, they'd agree with me.


You really think professional trainers and staff have never heard of yoga? The club has been doing pilates for decades, I'm sure they do yoga or some variant (and also resistance band stretches, cardio and free weights, before you suggest any of those).

Pilates, cardio and free weights are a purely physical exercise (which in itself has mental benefits).

I meant an across the board Yoga program with a focus on the mental aspect of it such as meditation as well as the obvious benefits.

That's what separates yoga from the others, I know that Richmond have a meditation professional that all the players spend time with.

Its not only the physical but mental needs that need nourishment for high performance.

In regards to the kids I do have my concerns with seeing the Hawthorne team bring in players that play the role they need to and you wouldn't even know their names but it turns out they have been on the list for a few years.

The running power will improve every year if we keep our players healthy and active.

 

[Jimmae]

Pilates, cardio and free weights are a purely physical exercise (which in itself has mental benefits).

I meant an across the board Yoga program with a focus on the mental aspect of it such as meditation as well as the obvious benefits.

That's what separates yoga from the others, I know that Richmond have a meditation professional that all the players spend time with.

Its not only the physical but mental needs that need nourishment for high performance.

In regards to the kids I do have my concerns with seeing the Hawthorne team bring in players that play the role they need to and you wouldn't even know their names but it turns out they have been on the list for a few years.

The running power will improve every year if we keep our players healthy and active.

Geelong, Hawthorn and Melbourne are others. This is a follow-the-leader league, so I can assure you that it's league wide, and that the push towards that started 10 years ago.

As for your yin/yang mantra, it's all physiological stress, so the goal is to reduce that in such a high-pressure environment.

 

[Blue since 72]

I asked - he responded - I checked - he's actually lapping at world record pace most games.......

I assumed that was due to his supplements program.

 

[AT97]

Top 5 total distance:
Collingwood - 2635 km
Melbourne - 2613 km
GWS - 2607 km
Geelong - 2581 km
Carlton - 2573 km

So the problem isn't the total distance at all, it's who is covering it (i.e. no one under 22 is pulling their weight). Naturally, top speed is suffering as a result.

Where you would probably find the club and I disagree is the merits of flogging the kids this way in terms of building up their anaerobic and aerobic tolerance. I personally don't see the benefit, and if you look at the development factory that Sydney is at the moment, they'd agree with me.


You really think professional trainers and staff have never heard of yoga? The club has been doing pilates for decades, I'm sure they do yoga or some variant (and also resistance band stretches, cardio and free weights, before you suggest any of those).

I know an instructor of yoga. He told me Carlton are one of many clubs who have regular sessions.

 

[Coops93]

Wanting vs utterly incompetent when it's an elite environment in one of the world's most demanding sports are two very different things.

Your argument is genuinely laughable.

Tbf it wasn't an argument that had a lot of thought put into it. It was basically thought up and thrown into the computer with as much thought as can be put into an argument I actually care little about beyond some mild curiosity as to whether clubs utilise yoga. The fact you even considered anything I've said to be an argument is flattering.

You seem to care very much about this, though. So I'm sorry to have annoyed you.

 

[Jimmae]

Tbf it wasn't an argument that had a lot of thought put into it. It was basically thought up and thrown into the computer with as much thought as can be put into an argument I actually care little about beyond some mild curiosity as to whether clubs utilise yoga. The fact you even considered anything I've said to be an argument is flattering.

You seem to care very much about this, though. So I'm sorry to have annoyed you.

I figure there's a few journos and club officials who browse through here, so if we can skip past the part where everyone asks the obvious question 8 times in a row, we might come up with something constructive.

What's more, this is a topic of discussion that can directly improve the lives of individuals, so of course I'm going to debunk things.

 

[Coops93]

I figure there's a few journos and club officials who browse through here, so if we can skip past the part where everyone asks the obvious question 8 times in a row, we might come up with something constructive.

What's more, this is a topic of discussion that can directly improve the lives of individuals, so of course I'm going to debunk things.

I was happy you responded to the first part, hence my tophat thankyou. What I said was pure speculation at best based on nothing. I actually appreciated the eduction your provided, but you seemed somewhat provoked which I found odd. So I responded with nothing but an obvious exaggeration to try and lighten the discussion; which you took seriously. Again, sorry to have annoyed you.

 

[gbatman]

We could do with someone who knows how to strap ankles...