Hirdy's tell all interview

[jenny61_99]

Again, no direct quote about injections. You can't claim he lied if he hasn't stated anything specific that hasnt been disproven.

Hirdy, king of the pedants. Say something that makes it look like you are denying it, but in truth just say words that don't really tell the truth. "I'm horrified to be hearing that" makes people believe that it was no way true, however what he meant was I'm horrified that this information got out.

 

[Gigantor]

Why do you think that a team following the rules put before it and agreed by the rest of the competition is worse than a team breaking the rules that everyone has to abide by?

That does not make sense.

Alternatively:

one is following the rules but achieving a result in complete contradiction of the stated principles of the rule book

the other may have not followed the rules, if it hasn't, it remains within the key principles of the rule book

 

[Armchair Critic]

Again, no direct quote about injections. You can't claim he lied if he hasn't stated anything specific that hasnt been disproven.

So are you saying that Hird is implicating that while the claims made by Dank are true , they are also horrifying.

 

[mxett]

Hirdy, king of the pedants. Say something that makes it look like you are denying it, but in truth just say words that don't really tell the truth. "I'm horrified to be hearing that" makes people believe that it was no way true, however what he meant was I'm horrified that this information got out.

So you know he wasnt horrified? Is that your idea of a lie?

 

[Art Corvelay]

it remains to be seen if that happens with the former
the point is that the latter has happened

Do you need to get a refund on your Buddy GWS jumper?

While Sydney/Buddy is distasteful, I'd rather that was the worst thing to happen in the league compared to PED's. Laughable to suggest otherwise.

 

[mxett]

So are you saying that Hird is implicating that while the claims made by Dank are true , they are also horrifying.

Dank stated Hird had many many injections of banned substances. Hird said he was horrified by this claim yet didnt comment on specifics as the case was under investigation. Did the charges sheet confirm Danks claim?

 

[Gigantor]

While Sydney/Buddy is distasteful, I'd rather that was the worst thing to happen in the league compared to PED's. Laughable to suggest otherwise.

You will be able re-affirm that once the use of PEDs are proven, in the meantime, the Swans have already ruined the integrity of the competition, and at this point in time, with the knowledge we now, that is the more serious matter.

 

[mediumsizered]

this must be the only board in the AFL world where AFL fans are happy to excuse the Swans ruining the integrity of the competition

The integrity of the competition was ruined long before Tippett & Franklin decided to chase the dollars in Sydney. It was ruined the day James Hird decided he was going to do whatever it takes to physically increase the strength of his players to try & match it with the 'big boys' of the competition. The recruitment of Dank to EFC served to ensure the decision made by Hird would ruin the integrity of the competition.

The COLA issue related to the Swans has compromised the competition, but ultimately Franklin's signing will be the final nail in the coffin of COLAs & will most likely lead to significant reforms of TPPs, which will be for the betterment of the competition. In contrast, nothing good can come out of EFC's blatant disregard of not only the AFL's doping policy, but the doping policy under which all professional Australian sportspeople operate.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Alternatively:

one is following the rules but achieving a result in complete contradiction of the stated principles of the rule book

the other may have not followed the rules, if it hasn't, it remains within the key principles of the rule book

You see I have a different view, while I believe the COLA now will and should go the Swans have done nothing wrong

but this on the other hand is a disgrace

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...r-western-sydney/story-e6frexx0-1226083994585

http://www.pandasports.com.au/2011/06/29/gws-in-hot-water-for-illegal-approach/

 

[Gigantor]

The COLA issue related to the Swans has compromised the competition, but ultimately Franklin's signing will be the final nail in the coffin of COLAs & will most likely lead to significant reforms of TPPs, which will be for the betterment of the competition. In contrast, nothing good can come out of EFC's blatant disregard of not only the AFL's doping policy, but the doping policy under which all professional Australian sportspeople operate.

One could argue that good will come from both events - if the AFL act.

 

[Art Corvelay]

You will be able re-affirm that once the use of PEDs are proven, in the meantime, the Swans have already ruined the integrity of the competition, and at this point in time, with the knowledge we now, that is the more serious matter.

Yes, yes. No infractions, AFL made up all the charges etc

 

[Gigantor]

http://www.pandasports.com.au/2011/06/29/gws-in-hot-water-for-illegal-approach/

Pandasports?
Hard hitting sports journalism!

 

[Gigantor]

Yes, yes. No infractions, AFL made up all the charges etc

aren't you mixing up two different concepts there?

 

[neutralguy]

You will be able re-affirm that once the use of PEDs are proven, in the meantime, the Swans have already ruined the integrity of the competition, and at this point in time, with the knowledge we now, that is the more serious matter.

Some would suggest the plethora of empty seats at a GWS game affects the integrity of the competition or is it thta it just makes a mockery of the word competition? GWS gets more handouts than anyone else in the comp and are supported by AFL house, hows that for integrity. Seriously you come across as a jealous petchulant child whining about the swans, when the discussion you are whining in is about Essendon.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Pandasports?
Hard hitting sports journalism!

Ignore the other one then

 

[Gigantor]

Ignore the other one then

I admit I was immediately drawn to the pandasports, how could I refuse?

 

[Cronos]

Alternatively:

one is following the rules but achieving a result in complete contradiction of the stated principles of the rule book

the other may have not followed the rules, if it hasn't, it remains within the key principles of the rule book

The cost of living allowance is to allow Sydney to pay more money to players. Sydney have picked up a free agent player with the money while staying under it's salary cap. How would you expect them to use it?

I may not agree with the size of the CoL allowance, but it's been agreed by all clubs, and is part of the rules they are bound by. Suck it up and move on, and expect to see more like this as club's make the most of the FA system in the future.

How the hell does the EFC situation remain within the key principles of the rule book? The rule book says "Don't use prohibited substances." Essendon appears to have used prohibited substances. That situation is 100% contrary to the key principles of the rule book. In fact, if you go past the contents pages, the first section under Part A: Introduction states:
D. Purposes of Laws
These Laws explain how a Match of Australian Football is played and seek to attain the following objectives:
(a) to ensure that the game of Australian Football is played in a fair manner and a spirit of true sportsmanship;

If the EFC is found guilty of using Prohibited drugs, they would have been found to have breached the worst possible rules of fairness and true sportsmanship. Instead of the game being a test of strength, skills and abilities, they've attempted to make the game about who has the best pharmacist.

 

[Spongebob]

What would happen to GWS if the COLA was removed from them?

 

[Baldur]

Alternatively:

one is following the rules but achieving a result in complete contradiction of the stated principles of the rule book

the other may have not followed the rules, if it hasn't, it remains within the key principles of the rule book

There is no way in hell that that Essendon was doing remained within the key principles of the rule book. They may or may not have completely broken the rules, I believe they did, you can believe whatever you wish for now. But what they set out to do was without any doubt whatsoever in complete contradiction of the key principles of the rule book.

The WADA rules are there to stop people from trying to gain an advantage by chemical drug means, this is what Essendon set out to do. No ifs no buts no maybes.

Sydney have no even come close to breaching the key principles of the salary cap as much as Essendon did the key principles of the drug code.

 

[jenny61_99]

So you know he wasnt horrified? Is that your idea of a lie?

Oh I'm quite sure he was horrified.

 

[Bennett.]

How many people here HONESTLY believe that the club and Hirdy intended to cheat?

 

[Cronos]

How many people here HONESTLY believe that the club and Hirdy intended to cheat?

I'm pretty sure they either thought it was a loophole, or they could never get caught.

Either way, the original intention doesn't change the fact on whether they DID cheat or DID NOT cheat. The rules don't care if you started out trying to cheat or not, just if you did or not.

 

[mxett]

Oh I'm quite sure he was horrified.

So your comments about lying are totally unfounded. What a surprise

 

[Baldur]

How many people here HONESTLY believe that the club and Hirdy intended to cheat?

I HONESTLY do not know. But Essendon has set out to cheat before, why not again? Sure when they cheated the salary cap, others where doing so, had done so and would do so. So Essendon could tell themselves that they were just doing what others were doing.

In this regard I note the allegation that Dank told Hird that Collingwood etc were already cheating. And also note that Lance Armstrong still absolves himself by saying others were doing it as well. So while I do not know, it would not surprise me at all.

 

[Tiger2709]

this must be the only board in the AFL world where AFL fans are happy to excuse the Swans ruining the integrity of the competition

Surely the inclusion of two new teams with extra recruiting power than the rest of the clubs also ruined the integrity of the existing competition as well, but drug cheating goes way beyond that apart from it's possible danger to players healths, cheating is just wrong.

The Swans situation on the other hand is more of an annoyance than anything, although IMO recruiting Buddy will come back and bite the Swans on the arse bigtime, 10 years at 10million, what were they thinking, if he has a career ending injury at any stage in the first couple of years they are screwed.