Hobart negotiations

[gokangas]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/kangaroos-pushing-for-third-game-in-hobart-20140531-zrtoa.html

The Age says we are officially chasing three although I can't see any official quote from North in the article confirming this. Almost reads like a Caro article. I don't doubt we want a third but there is a pic of Carl, a headline stating it as fact, but no NMFC statement at all in article.

I don't mind three at $500k each.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Might be a leak from the AFL, with the implied threat that if we don't go for a two year, 3 game deal we won't get the Good Friday game?

 

[scooby1279]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/kangaroos-pushing-for-third-game-in-hobart-20140531-zrtoa.html

The Age says we are officially chasing three although I can't see any official quote from North in the article confirming this. Almost reads like a Caro article. I don't doubt we want a third but there is a pic of Carl, a headline stating it as fact, but no NMFC statement at all in article.

I don't mind three at $500k each.

Of course because us supporters are always hearing things first from other media outlets instead of hearing it from the club first

 

[abby]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/kangaroos-pushing-for-third-game-in-hobart-20140531-zrtoa.html

The Age says we are officially chasing three although I can't see any official quote from North in the article confirming this. Almost reads like a Caro article. I don't doubt we want a third but there is a pic of Carl, a headline stating it as fact, but no NMFC statement at all in article.

I don't mind three at $500k each.

Thought we were already chasing 3? Haven't we been saying that for a while, that we want 3?

 

[Dirty_11]

The whole Hobart thing pisses me off, 'it's our home away from home', 'brings back memories of the old Arden St days'. Horseshit. Membership price won't change but we will get a make up game where I can't sit in my reserved seat. Plus the added bonus of being called the Hobart Kangaroos by everyone bar North supporters. Can't wait.

 

[TheKanga]

The whole Hobart thing pisses me off, 'it's our home away from home', 'brings back memories of the old Arden St days'. Horseshit. Membership price won't change but we will get a make up game where I can't sit in my reserved seat. Plus the added bonus of being called the Hobart Kangaroos by everyone bar North supporters. Can't wait.

It has helped our bottom line though and increased membership which are things we needed.

 

[Tas]

I think Carl already mentioned he was keen on increasing it to 3 but no more.

I think the AFL want to line up our deal with the Hawthorn one so they can try and bend someone over to do North and South.

Looking at our dismal home crowds, we need to do more to get more supporters wherever we plan to exist long-term. If we are serious about being a Melbourne club then we have to do more to get more of the members and supporters to show up.

We have killed that rock up and attend culture, we are becoming more like a NRL club where most of our members watch us on TV than they do live and selling games has pushed more fans to the TV than to games.

We should do a deal with Foxtel, we probably have more foxtel subscribers than members. Foxtel/NM membership package, would probably sell like baked potatoes. :stern look

 

[Dirty_11]

It has helped our bottom line though and increased membership which are things we needed.

I understand that, our stadium deal makes ventures like this unavoidable but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

 

[Winter]

In a perfect world we take 3-games a season for two more years, bank $3 million from the exercise, eliminate our ~$2 million debt through supporter contributions and move into 2017 in the black as an 11-game a season Melbourne club.

Wishful thinking, but can it be done?

 

[Zondor]

I understand that, our stadium deal makes ventures like this unavoidable but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

I hear ye yah Dirty. I sat in a stadium amongst 27 odd thousand grown adults with flags and face paint and those pussies made a shit load of coin. Play the same game at Idiot Stadium with the same numbered crowd and we would lose a shit load of coin.

On that point when we play on the map in front something like 12,000 we will clear some major coin but play at Idiot say in front of 17,000 and we lose some major coin.

Don't ever accept the bullshit excuse that we must play home games interstate. What needs to happen is that we get a fair and equitable Stadium Deal.

The Truth has Spoken. :stern look

 

[Zondor]

In a perfect world we take 3-games a season for two more years, bank $3 million from the exercise, eliminate our ~$2 million debt through supporter contributions and move into 2017 in the black as an 11-game a season Melbourne club.

Wishful thinking, but can it be done?

Yes. As long as I'm made President and Wonder Woman is banished to the Abyss. :stern look

 

[DunderHead]

I understand that, our stadium deal makes ventures like this unavoidable but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Its the Melbourne landscape that makes this unavoidable. With bigger Melbourne clubs with bigger resources playing on primetime no matter how shit they are on field we have no chance of carving a larger slice of this pie. We need to be innovative and grab markets that aren't established yet or that the big four would not be interested in acquiring.

North's only play is what they are currently doing. Gather support in Hobart and become a competitive team onfield that new markets would want to support and then when Ballarat is ready - throw all our efforts behind making that region our own.

We will never be able to follow the Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton and Richmond model. Even Hawthorn saw the benefits of making Launceston a home away from home. We need to become the new Geelong. Take our team to supporters who want footy. The model is sound. Playing at Etihad/MCG and then games out in Ballarat would be a way of bringing two supporter groups together. I know Geelong people who come down for big games being played in Melbourne and I know melbourne-based Cats fans who travel upto SS to enjoy the home-team atmosphere.

Given the current play there is no reason to think we could not be as strong or as established as Geelong in another 20-30 years. It would be nice taking my Grand kids to packed-out stadiums filled with Roo supporters one day.

 

[abby]

In a perfect world we take 3-games a season for two more years, bank $3 million from the exercise, eliminate our ~$2 million debt through supporter contributions and move into 2017 in the black as an 11-game a season Melbourne club.

Wishful thinking, but can it be done?

We cant just pull out of Hobart when we have eliminated our debt, you'd just be pissing off more people because we just take take, Tasmania will never get its own team and this model works well for both Hawthorn and North Melbourne and should continue and it probs will.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Yes. As long as I'm made President and Wonder Woman is banished to the Abyss. :stern look

 

[numchuks]

In a perfect world we take 3-games a season for two more years, bank $3 million from the exercise, eliminate our ~$2 million debt through supporter contributions and move into 2017 in the black as an 11-game a season Melbourne club.

Wishful thinking, but can it be done?

Yeah and in a perfect world that's what us playing games in Canberra was supposed to do. And then on the Gold Coast. And now in Hobart.

Same argument gets made on here every time we sell games interstate, i've heard it all before.

Have no confidence that's the way it will eventuate, three games will slide into seven and so on and so forth until we're finally playing all out games in Tassie.

 

[B4Bear]

We cant just pull out of Hobart when we have eliminated our debt, you'd just be pissing off more people because we just take take, Tasmania will never get its own team and this model works well for both Hawthorn and North Melbourne and should continue and it probs will.

Quoted for truth.

The Tassie games have gone a long way to making us solvent, and I would like to see us play three games there until they get their own team.

It would be nice for us to have several million tucked away for a rainy day.

With no gambling income (thank god), we need to create wealth in other ways for the club to survive into the long term. Money in the bank is one way.

 

[Dirty_11]

Its the Melbourne landscape that makes this unavoidable. With bigger Melbourne clubs with bigger resources playing on primetime no matter how shit they are on field we have no chance of carving a larger slice of this pie. We need to be innovative and grab markets that aren't established yet or that the big four would not be interested in acquiring.

North's only play is what they are currently doing. Gather support in Hobart and become a competitive team onfield that new markets would want to support and then when Ballarat is ready - throw all our efforts behind making that region our own.

We will never be able to follow the Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton and Richmond model. Even Hawthorn saw the benefits of making Launceston a home away from home. We need to become the new Geelong. Take our team to supporters who want footy. The model is sound. Playing at Etihad/MCG and then games out in Ballarat would be a way of bringing two supporter groups together. I know Geelong people who come down for big games being played in Melbourne and I know melbourne-based Cats fans who travel upto SS to enjoy the home-team atmosphere.

Given the current play there is no reason to think we could not be as strong or as established as Geelong in another 20-30 years. It would be nice taking my Grand kids to packed-out stadiums filled with Roo supporters one day.

The model is shithouse. We are not a regional side. The last thing the club needs to do is crap in the face of its core membership group in search of 3000 three-game memberships. I don't want to drive out to Ballarat to watch my side play and I sure as hell don't want to go down to Tassie three times a year. Once the AFL owns Etihad that's where we should play. Any organisation that can get 20,000+ people to an event weekly should be financially viable with the right people in charge and with a profitable stadium deal in place.

 

[naturally north]

I hear ye yah Dirty. I sat in a stadium amongst 27 odd thousand grown adults with flags and face paint and those pussies made a shit load of coin. Play the same game at Idiot Stadium with the same numbered crowd and we would lose a shit load of coin.

On that point when we play on the map in front something like 12,000 we will clear some major coin but play at Idiot say in front of 17,000 and we lose some major coin.

Don't ever accept the bullshit excuse that we must play home games interstate. What needs to happen is that we get a fair and equitable Stadium Deal.

The Truth has Spoken. :stern look

This will only happen when the AFL owns Etihad Stadium.

Then the MCG will require three new stands. Clubs will wake up to how much coin is available to be made at Etihad and we'll be shipped off to the G until such time as the new stands are paid for.

Of course Etihad will require an upgrade by then......


It's the biggest disgrace in AFL football, am perplexed as how this is never really challenged in the media, I do know the answer

 

[gokangas]

I hate any home game sell offs - hate them. They threaten everything we have fought for. But reality says we have to make money and every time we play at Hobart we clear half a million. Hard to argue against. Take the money, play three games and I can accept that. Sadly it will fuel the regular 'move north to tassie' stories from Caro and co, but how else do we make up that lot dosh?

Three games is my limit.

 

[Archer_11]

Forgive my ignorance but I generally struggle to read the AFL media nowdays which I hope you can understand. Two questions:

- was there any basis whatsoever in the rumour earlier this year that North were going to try and shift to 8 games (or receive pressure to do so)? Or was this just some bored journalists yet again?
- does anyone have an opinion of what Gillon will try and do during his tenure - he has already said that he would like a club down in Tassie; has he said anything more? Google isn't really turning anything up. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to presume 19 clubs is undesirable to the AFL.

Any BF masterminds I thank thee in advance.

 

[Dirty_11]

Forgive my ignorance but I generally struggle to read the AFL media nowdays which I hope you can understand. Two questions:

- was there any basis whatsoever in the rumour earlier this year that North were going to try and shift to 8 games (or receive pressure to do so)? Or was this just some bored journalists yet again?
- does anyone have an opinion of what Gillon will try and do during his tenure - he has already said that he would like a club down in Tassie; has he said anything more? Google isn't really turning anything up. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to presume 19 clubs is undesirable to the AFL.

Any BF masterminds I thank thee in advance.

Gillian said 18 teams is ideal and only said he would prefer a Tassie side when pressed for an answer on whether there should be a third side in SA or WA. In the same interview he said 17 rounds would also be ideal with everyone playing each other once but it wouldn't be feasible due to TV deals.

 

[hotham]

I'd rather we make a profit from playing home games at Etihad Stadium. However that's fanciful, especially when we get to play home games against Port Power, GC and Brisbane. So a third game in Tassie for $500,000 makes sense.