How do we use the sub?

[Dirty Bird]

I don't beleive there has been a thread on this exactly here so thought I would bring it up for some discussion (there was 1 on no 2nd ruckman, and 1 on the introduction of the rule but nothing on what we plan to do with it)

Some people are of the beleif that we should use it on a versatile utility, someone who can play anywhere if there is an injury, but I beleive a ruck contingent would be severly disadvantaged if you're going in with the 1 ruck and a few part timers

But I was thinking that we should make the sub, our 2nd ruckman.

Think about it, you have the same advantages as you have now being able to keep your midfield flowing with high amount of interchanges. 1 Injury and you've got the same situtation you've got at the moment with team structure
and if there is no injury, you can just switch ruckman during the game, and throw a fresh ruckman straight on, and take on a tired ruckman from the other team.

Thoughts on that?
other ideas?

 

[KUNG FU]

Young player with a poor tank. If there are no injuries by the mid-late 3rd quarter, bring him in for the worst performing individual on the day.

 

[Pariah]

I think the sub should be a running player. That we have Jacobs and Maric sharing the ruck then when one of them tires we bring on the sub while keeping the other ruck in the game.
Another option is to have one of our inexperienced players as the sub. This would help them gain much need experience.

 

[KUNG FU]

A ruckman simply won't be able to maintain his intensity over half a game.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

IMO the sub position is made for a running utility type that can play tall or a mid size running role....

Early in the season I would use Otten as a Sub until he gets his confidence and mojoe back...

Once Otto is up and running I would look for another Otto type, maybe Jack, Young, Talia or Shaw who could play a variety of roles.

as I said the Sub rule is taylor made for the running utility type

 

[dplggr47]

i don't see why you'd want the sub to be a ruckman. if one of your runners go down, then you're stuck with bringing in a ruckman.

a running utility, like the Sloane Ranger said. Young, Talia, Shaw, etc. or midfielder.

 

[pext]

Rodney Eade is on record as saying the 2nd ruckman is dead (although, they were probably dead before the rule change anyway).

Supersub will be a midfielder.

All teams will move towards the collingwood model next year. We'll go with Jacobs/Maric and McKernan/Sellar with the latter duo starting at FP/CHB and then pinch hitting in the ruck with Tippett. IMO.

 

[dplggr47]

Rodney Eade is on record as saying the 2nd ruckman is dead (although, they were probably dead before the rule change anyway).

Supersub will be a midfielder.

All teams will move towards the collingwood model next year. We'll go with Jacobs/Maric and McKernan/Sellar with the latter duo starting at FP/CHB and then pinch hitting in the ruck with Tippett. IMO.

so you're saying we'll go with either Jacobs or Maric, and one of them will have to miss out? there's no point to chasing Jacobs with a large contract just to have him playing in the SANFL because we choose to only play 1 ruckman. i believe the Crows will still go with 2 immobile ruckman. why else would we have recruited Jacobs.

 

[FR0GGY]

Hows it all going to work? For example you know who is coming on (the sub) how does it get noted who is not coming back on? Would they have to come off when the sub comes on? So if someone gets injured early on should the sub come on then?

 

[dplggr47]

Hows it all going to work? For example you know who is coming on (the sub) how does it get noted who is not coming back on? Would they have to come off when the sub comes on? So if someone gets injured early on should the sub come on then?

whoever the sub is interchanged for, that person cannot come back on. if someone is injured, the sub would automatically come into the starting 21. they may not be the direct player to come onto the field, but they would no longer be the sub.

 

[FR0GGY]

i can see this getting messy like the interchange rule has been at times. Better make sure only 1 comes off when the sub comes on and not do a rotation at the same time, could end up subbing out a cruicial player for the day!

 

[dplggr47]

i can see this getting messy like the interchange rule has been at times. Better make sure only 1 comes off when the sub comes on and not do a rotation at the same time, could end up subbing out a cruicial player for the day!

well, i'm sure teams would also have to notify someone when they have decided who is staying off for the rest of the game (and the sub would not be able to come on until this notification has been made). ie, if a player comes off injured, it wouldn't automatically mean the sub is on, until the club have made the notification that the injured player will not be returning to the game, because some injuries may not be that big of a deal.

 

[Coopers]

I'd suggest in 50%+ of games it won't be an issue, as there will be a niggle significant enough to rest a bloke for the rest of the game, or an actual injury.

So we'll see blokes that would have played through a knock, or a tweak of something in the past, get subbed.

If there is not an injury by mid way through the third quarter, you'd have the following options:
- sub for someone who is having a shocker
- sub for someone who is quite tired

I think it's likely that a lot clubs will make the decision onn the fly, based on how the game is goine. It could even be a strategic thing - get a tall off, if the rain comes in or somesuch.

So ideally, I'd like us to have no real pattern - the choice should be made as needs require each week. Meaning yo'd really want a utility type, or midfielder.

Assuming things go to plan (they never do) but plan 1 could be to have a player flog themselves for 2.5 quarters, then get subbed. I'd be worried about an injury to someone else ruining everything - leaving you with a guy dead on his feet, and no sub for him...

 

[Schulzycrow]

Don't like the rule. Should have been 4 with a sub. Cap rotations if it is such a prob. Everyone is just going to ramp it up even more. Anyhow no room in the team for two plodding rucks. Either Jacobs or Maric or both suddenly become more mobile. . Who knows I'm sure the club is all over this and have the cattle to be flexible.

Sellar/Smack/Moran would fill the 2nd ruck/forward. Tipp might do a little ruck work if either one of these are in the mix to change it up.

Sub will have to be a 190cm utility that could be subbed in halfway through the 3rd or the beginning of the last to run their guts out for the last 30 to 40 minutes of a match. Or a mid. Can't see the value of another ruck as a sub.

Like the idea of the sub being a 1st or 2nd year player to give them game time and experience.

 

[ruscy002]

I think those clubs that try to use the sub to a tactical advantage are in danger of outsmarting themselves. Really, just pick a player who isn't playing SANFL that week because of the bye (thus not upsetting any player's form/development by having an unnecessary week off) and try to tailor it to conditions. i.e. if there's wet weather forecast, then go for a running player.

 

[dplggr47]

Like the idea of the sub being a 1st or 2nd year player to give them game time and experience.

only if our season is over or the game has already been decided and we have so many injuries that the 1st/2nd years are our emergencies/subs

 

[NTRabbit]

I suggest we use it as an outer sonar picket at the far edge of the battlefleet. From there it can detect inbound threats, and either indepdendently engage in hunter-killer operations or shadow and provide support to the nearest surface combatant.

 

[hendo8888]

Hows it all going to work? For example you know who is coming on (the sub) how does it get noted who is not coming back on? Would they have to come off when the sub comes on? So if someone gets injured early on should the sub come on then?

If they go with the same setup as the sub rule that they used in the preseason last year, the designated sub will wear a coloured singlet (used orange in those games). When he's subbed off, the outgoing player then takes the coloured singlet.
Then you know exactly who the sub is at any given time.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Can the sub sub back in if someone is injured once he has sub sub out?

NTRabbit had a chuckle. Dive dive...reported for diving.

 

[Vader]

Surely this wouldn't be terribly hard to police. They would just do what they do in the MMC. The sub wears a bright yellow/orange bib to indicate who they are. The bib gets handed over when the substitution is made - and the new bib wearer heads for the change rooms (their game is over).

 

[Crows I Am]

I think the ruckman will often be the player to be subbed off, especially if we go into a game with both maric and Jacobs. In a tight game we can bring on another runner in the third quarter and then use one ruckman in the last swapping with tippett or mckernan if need be.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Surely this wouldn't be terribly hard to police. They would just do what they do in the MMC. The sub wears a bright yellow/orange bib to indicate who they are. The bib gets handed over when the substitution is made - and the new bib wearer heads for the change rooms (their game is over).

So if say VB subs out after running himself into the ground and Martin comes on halfway through the third...Danger gets poleaxed diving onto the ball and trying to shake off 4 tacklers. Are we then left with only 2 on the bench for the rest of the game even though VB is still available (although knackered)?

 

[jenny61_99]

So if say VB subs out after running himself into the ground and Martin comes on halfway through the third...Danger gets poleaxed diving onto the ball and trying to shake off 4 tacklers. Are we then left with only 2 on the bench for the rest of the game even though VB is still available (although knackered)?

Yes. Stupid change IMO. You essentially have a 21 man squad with 1 sub "just in case". How is this going to change/limit rotations again?

 

[FR0GGY]

thats the way i read it.

 

[DieHardCrow]

Maric can probably push forward and sit in a forward pocket for a few minutes as well so i feel that the sub will be a midfielder type