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[thesmallprint]

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[Eagle87]

There are a lot of things to envy in regards to West Coast, this I can acknowledge, but coming from a sports management background intitially and now in the financial sector, it astounds me that a bloke like Nisbett is still at the helm.

Truly astounds me.

So unlike Nisbett, you are a failed sports management person, having left the industry?

Trevor Nisbett has a fair few runs on the board and had a fair bit of credit earned. No doubt he used most of that up with some decisions and no doubt he and Woosh have been seriously at odds at times in the last couple of years. I suspect that had Barnaba not been Chairman, Nisbett might have been moved. That said, most of what he has done for the club over a 20 year period has been quality work - the fact that he (& Gepp) saw through your mate Judgey a bit too quick for Judgeys liking is no reason to bear such long-standing hatred. I mean the clamour for Judges services since 2001 has been enough to show who was right and who was wrong, surely.

 

[bigmikewcefan]

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[Mundy]

Interesting view. So we traded Gardy to rid our club of a troublemaker and that was bad management. Then we kept a Ben Cousins and that was also bad management.

Genuinely funny stuff Mundy.

On the way out, you labelled Gardiner as mentally unstable, apprarently Nisbett has a medical degree? That's bad management. Gardiner and his family refuted the claim. Lucky not to have a civil suit on his hands, and had Gardiner not been offered a position by the Saints West Coast and Nisbett would have been up shit creek without a paddle.

Judd went home because he wanted to go home. Everything else is just speculation and salacious gossip.

Ok, I was referring to Cousins in regards to the preventable loss of a players, but read into the statement in which ever way you see fit.

Chick was finished. Certainly his off-field activities didnt help his cause but his time was up regardless.

Is that so? Thought he was rather brilliant against the Pies in the Semi, but it's nice to see you acknowledge the off field culture problem at West Coast to an extent.

The reality is that the club did what most clubs would have done with Cousins and ultimately we paid a price for it. That said, we dont win a flag in 2006 without Cousins. Maybe management did make a deal with the devil and maybe the price was steep but we won a flag in 2006 - there are plenty of sides who would swap their last 5 years for ours (warts and all) and one of them would be your miserable rabble. And you lecture WC on "well run" clubs?

Whose reality? Yours? I doubt any other club would have allowed Cousins to remain on the list with his record prior to the infamous James street pick up, nor would they have turned a blind eye to the cocaine binges.

If making a deal with the devil is good management so be it, warped views on good management.

Not a single truth in that statement Mundy. Not one. Judge expressed concerns about off-field behaviour but at no stage did he request Cousins be axed. The "drug problem" stuff - at that stage - is also complete and utter bollocks.

Is it? Could have sworn I saw a possie of West Coast players in 2001, on many occasions blatantly snorting the good stuff with a well known seven reporter off many a bar on the Northbridge scene. No doubt this would have been relayed back to the club by a few punters, but hey, you dont have to take my word for it.

Gooding did what?

When was Judge sacked? (2001)

When did Gooding become Chairman? (2002)

As Chairman elect, Gooding made it quite clear Cousins was more important to the club thatn Judge was.

We remain a brilliantly run club, who have paid a price for some pragmatic decisions and have moved on.

Is this not a contradiction in terms? Pragamatic decisons, yet paid the price. Hmmm......

You remain a rampant spreader of gossip and lies. Feel free to provide a single shred of evidence for any of your assertions in this post - as the accuser its your job.

Either that or **** off and stop trolling our board.

Fun as always Pav.

Not trolling, just providing an outside opinion to the rampant circle jerk despite the obvious failings in the last 3 years of a supposedly well run club.

Kudos to the West Coast mods for allowing such robust discussion.

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

Not trolling, just providing an outside opinion to the rampant circle jerk despite the obvious failings in the last 3 years of a supposedly well run club.

Kudos to the West Coast mods for allowing such robust discussion.

well for the past 2 years everything off field has been fine and on field we've rebuilt a solid list for the future

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

Is it? Could have sworn I saw a possie of West Coast players in 2001, on many occasions blatantly snorting the good stuff with a well known seven reporter off many a bar on the Northbridge scene. No doubt this would have been relayed back to the club by a few punters, but hey, you dont have to take my word for it.

ahaha, i remember this! certainly has the nose for it!

 

[Mundy]

ahaha, i remember this! certainly has the nose for it!

Indeed, good to see some can acknowledge the truth.

Man earns extra coin by cleaning the seven studios, doesnt use a vacum cleaner...

 

[bodazoka]

Lol. Look, no ones disputing the financial element of your club, nor the the ability to make a succesful trade or recruit well.

But if you guys seriously believe your club has been well run over the last 2-3 years, well you've got rocks in your head.

Some monumental errors of judgement and process have occured under the watchful eye of Nisbett and Co. Losing two marquee players of the ilk of Cousins and Judd, when at least one was preventable is totally unacceptable.

Mate the fact that you have taken two years out of isolation to try and represent a culture for a club that has been around for 22 years means you are trolling wether you know it or not...

Now If the club had constant dissapointment and failure for there entire existance (bah 1 year) then you could start to argue that underachieving was part of that clubs culture...

 

[bigmikewcefan]

Indeed, good to see some can acknowledge the truth.

Man earns extra coin by cleaning the seven studios, doesnt use a vacum cleaner...

whats he got to do w/ WCE?

and im mates with his cousin cuz - be careful what you say.

 

[Eagle87]

On the way out, you labelled Gardiner as mentally unstable, apprarently Nisbett has a medical degree? That's bad management. Gardiner and his family refuted the claim. Lucky not to have a civil suit on his hands, and had Gardiner not been offered a position by the Saints West Coast and Nisbett would have been up shit creek without a paddle.

He used an unfortunate turn of phrase. This has been debated with you before Pav. He NEVER said he was medically insane or any such thing. At the time of the incident (the car crash) Gardy was on anti-depressants and painkillers i.e. unstable - relative to the vast majority of the population.

But keep spreading your lies Pav....

Ok, I was referring to Cousins in regards to the preventable loss of a players, but read into the statement in which ever way you see fit.

Sure you were. In case your forgot, you said "Losing the likes of Cousins, Chick, Gardiner, Judd as well as a host of other players due to off field shenanigans"

Perhaps you just need to stop trolling Pav?

Is that so? Thought he was rather brilliant against the Pies in the Semi, but it's nice to see you acknowledge the off field culture problem at West Coast to an extent.

Michael Braun got 3 Brownlow Votes in Round 17, 2008. He retired 4 games later. He was done.

Daniel Chick was 31 and out of contract, he was 32 when the next season started.

You remain a knob troll Pav.

Of course I acknowledge some off-field issues in 2007 and prior. Who doesn't?

Whose reality? Yours? I doubt any other club would have allowed Cousins to remain on the list with his record prior to the infamous James street pick up, nor would they have turned a blind eye to the cocaine binges.

If making a deal with the devil is good management so be it, warped views on good management.

LOL...

Sure Pav. Whatever.

That appalling record of 6 AA selections, a Brownlow (only 2 years before the incident you mention) and 4 club B&F's. Yep, no club would have accepted that.

You are a genuine laugh riot Pav

Is it? Could have sworn I saw a possie of West Coast players in 2001, on many occasions blatantly snorting the good stuff with a well known seven reporter off many a bar on the Northbridge scene. No doubt this would have been relayed back to the club by a few punters, but hey, you dont have to take my word for it.

Yes Pav. Please feel free to also list the Freo players who took part. I am sure the other eye was open wasn't it?

You said drug PROBLEM Pav. There was no drug PROBLEM (in 2001) Pav. Unless you are one of those old fuddy duddies who reckons all recreational drug use is a PROBLEM.... I suppose any alcohol consumption is also a problem?



By the way, nice to see no actual proof as usual Pav, just the observations of an unnamed poster on a chat site, 8 years after the events!

As Chairman elect, Gooding made it quite clear Cousins was more important to the club thatn Judge was.

More hilarity.

He took over as Chairman on 1 January 2003. Judge was sacked in September 2001. But sure, the guy who was 15 months away from the Chair stuck it to Judgey.

You really are a quality poster Pav.

Is this not a contradiction in terms? Pragamatic decisons, yet paid the price. Hmmm......

Perhaps a bit of study into pragmatism might be required Pav. Bertrand Russell was known for his attacks on (pragmatism) what he considered little more than relativism and short-sighted practicalism.

Certainly the club considered the impact on it, on field, when considering some matters. Practical, pragmatic, call it what you will .....

Not trolling, just providing an outside opinion to the rampant circle jerk despite the obvious failings in the last 3 years of a supposedly well run club.

An outside opinion is one thing. A one sided attack based on rumor, innuendo and outright falsehoods is another. You have made a series of baseless accusations against the club because you are, at times, a shameless troll. Arguing that anyone who brings you to task is part of some sort of circle jerk is hilarious.

As for the last 3 seasons reflecting bad management, 2007 wasn't our finest hour off-field (pretty good on it). The last 2 years have seen a cultural rebuild and now a list rebuild.

The management at WC is fine thanks Pav.

Kudos to the West Coast mods for allowing such robust discussion.

Fair point. Certainly the mod trolls on the Freo board wouldnt allow a discussion like this. They ban you for telling the truth, god only knows what they would do to an Eagles troll who lied there arse off like Pav has in here.

 

[KamakazeSalami]

Yeah, to an extent I agree with most of what you have said, but think of it from this angle.

W.A is a two team town, AFL is the dominant sport, even with the downfall of Cousins, securing memberships dollars was never going to be an issue.

Coming back to this notion of development, well, not sure how you can claim that one yet because for the last two year you have been one of the worst onfield sides in the competition, if you want to look at developmont, look now further than Adelaide, that's development. Not sure how Craig did it but he's hacked away at that list and they are still competitive, even a chance for a top 4.

So leave the development thing for now.

There are a lot of things to envy in regards to West Coast, this I can acknowledge, but coming from a sports management background intitially and now in the financial sector, it astounds me that a bloke like Nisbett is still at the helm.

Truly astounds me.

You're essentially basing your opinion that this club isn't well run on the events that happened off field two to five years ago? Thats a joke, surely.

And development is something that has to be considered. Yes Adelaide seems to have pulled it off better than most, but geez we're not too bad it either. Again, we're not talking of success over just the last two to three years, its about the success of our club over the last 23 and we've done a fantastic job of developing players and getting the most out of them.

 

[Trouto]

It always stuns me how many people rise to Mundy's bait. Can't you all see it's just jealous trolling?

 

[patsmith]

Indeed, good to see some can acknowledge the truth.

Man earns extra coin by cleaning the seven studios, doesnt use a vacum cleaner...

Mate, I've seen members of EVERY major Perth sporting team snorting/popping while out on the town. Unfortunately for us, our guys are higher profile and were certainly less discrete.

The fact is, the drug issue was obviously mismanaged and we were made an example of by the AFL (that issue is for another thread). That we are now well on the way to further on-field success (to go with our undeniable off-field success) is a testament to the club.

And while we are on the subject of substance abuse, alcohol is a legal substance that is often abused, the results of which are often worse than illicit ones (especially for those around them). Just ask Jeff.

 

[silver_and_sand]

please elaborate on this discounted menswear offer!!

Apparently, those with an Eagles membership can get an aditional 10% off Shearers Menswear current liquidation sale prices (20 to 60% off everything, sale ends 16/8) as well as 15% off non-sale priced items, just by showing your membership card. Here's the link relating to Shearers Menswear sale.

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[larrikin]

It always stuns me how many people rise to Mundy's bait. Can't you all see it's just jealous trolling?

There actually is enough truth in it to be a debate - it's not like he's the first to make these claims.

He also knows not to push the boundaries too far, and when enough is enough, right Mundy.

 

[Eagle87]

There actually is enough truth in it to be a debate - it's not like he's the first to make these claims.

He also knows not to push the boundaries too far, and when enough is enough, right Mundy.

Good Point

I mean that Pav fellow has been making these same claims for years

 

[Marlin01]

Knows not to push the boundaries too far???

I don't see what more anyone could do than make wild, unsubstantiated slanderous accusations about the people running our club.

I got a red card on the Freo board for saying it was distasteful for Freo supporters to make jokes about Mainy dying.

 

[patsmith]

Knows not to push the boundaries too far???

I don't see what more anyone could do than make wild, unsubstantiated slanderous accusations about the people running our club.

I got a red card on the Freo board for saying it was distasteful for Freo supporters to make jokes about Mainy dying.

That's because we're better than them. I think they know it too.

 

[bodazoka]

Knows not to push the boundaries too far???

I don't see what more anyone could do than make wild, unsubstantiated slanderous accusations about the people running our club.

I got a red card on the Freo board for saying it was distasteful for Freo supporters to make jokes about Mainy dying.

That is pathetic...

 

[bigmikewcefan]

You're essentially basing your opinion that this club isn't well run on the events that happened off field two to five years ago? Thats a joke, surely.

And development is something that has to be considered. Yes Adelaide seems to have pulled it off better than most, but geez we're not too bad it either. Again, we're not talking of success over just the last two to three years, its about the success of our club over the last 23 and we've done a fantastic job of developing players and getting the most out of them.

LOL @ the crows

they do meaningless patch work

we are rebuilding to make a premiership side - not one that makes up the numbers....

Adelaide are ok - but id say WC are closer to a premiership than adelaide.....

with the list we had post-2007 we could have easily paid for players and swapped draft picks to top up our list and be "there abouts" for the next 3- 5 years.......but we are in the AFL for premierships.....not to be an also ran!

 

[Cuzz09]

West Coast will win their 4th flag before Fremantle win their first

 

[bali-dog]

well at first i thought you came on like a sourfaced gossiping fishmongers wife from south fremantle (mrs) Mundy..however there is some balance and truth to what you say undoubtedly..
i think the main mood of this post is whats happened recently and whats coming down the road, and how quickly its occurred..the poster did say he wasnt one for w@nky self congratulatory posts..or circle jerking as you call it..
we all know what happened in the past, as all clubs know their skeletons and dirt under the carpet..you boys clean are you?..but i do believe weve all moved on..the past has passed..i agree with the poster ,its been a remarkable turnaround, the future potential seemingly cemented over the last few weeks..otherwise it was looking like an 08 repeat but a tad better..

i for one am really sick of hearing about the cuzz+co drug past..i believe we all paid our dues from an extended and unrelenting mediabashing,and abuse from other clubs,fans,bloggers,general public etc..weve all done our time, and paid for our sins,simply by having to read so much crap for 2 years..

so Mundy thanks for your thoughts, makes not a whisker of a difference, coz at the end of the day,we'll probably win another GF before Freo does,and you know that..or we'll certainly give it a good shake..and youll be sitting there watching us win, and gritting your teeth and muttering "bloody circlejerkin' W@#kers"..and thats the truth,and thats reality,and thats moving forward,and i think its bloody marvellous to belong to such a progressive club...that delivers. good luck with yours by the way.

 

[mightyeagles123]

Mundy there are many ways to look at the period which you argue most reflects bad management at the club, surely one of the main goals for the administration and management is onfield success?

In saying that lets see how our two clubs have compared since 2004 (Dont want too long of a post)
Fremantle West Coast
2004 Final Position 9 7
2005 Final Position 10 2 (Grand Final)
2006 Final Position 3 1 (Premiersip winners)
2007 Final Position 11 3
2008 Final Position 14 15
2008 Current Position 15 12

Could look at members, sponsorship dollars, AA selections, e.t.c and I think most would agree thats a pretty good administration and management. (Better than yours anyway )

Before 2004 Freo and West Coast were pretty much cellar dwellars together and look how well we rebounded then . Its so good being a West Coast supporter becuase its looking like were gonna rebound quite successfully again . (Better than yours anyway )

Edit: Table looked much better before i pressed post

 

[MrEAGLES]

I'd like to add that we have the most members of any club! So, we all generate money for the club!
We've been in the most finals since 1987? (Probably)
And we are probably the richest club in the land!!

So yeah it fukn GOOD! To be the best!

 

[tesseract]

Knows not to push the boundaries too far???

I don't see what more anyone could do than make wild, unsubstantiated slanderous accusations about the people running our club.

I got a red card on the Freo board for saying it was distasteful for Freo supporters to make jokes about Mainy dying.

It says a lot about the kind of people the mods are on their pathetic excuse for a board.