How much damage does a loosing mentality effect a club.

[wambat]

I often wonder exactly what the lasting effects have over a playing group when loosing becomes acceptable.
There is allot of debate around tanking ect. and clearly some clubs over the past decade have glorified losing to obtain high picks.
In my opinion the 3 most volatile clubs would be
1. Carlton
2. Melbourne
3. Fremantle.

Look at successful clubs like WCE , refuse to tank - leadership group demand success and already we see them rebuilding their next dynasty.

So I ask the question - Will these clubs ever rid themselves of the loosing mentality that plagues them, and what effect does it have?

 

[cannons]

What does 'loosing' mean?

 

[weagles_fan]

Any team that tanks no matter which players they draft will struggle to make a grand final. They may make the 8 but I think when the going gets tough the players wont be able to push themselves because they haven't been trained that way through their whole career.

 

[wambat]

What does 'loosing' mean?

Your contribution to the thread is correcting a spelling mistake, hardly surprising.

 

[wambat]

Any team that tanks no matter which players they draft will struggle to make a grand final. They may make the 8 but I think when the going gets tough the players wont be able to push themselves because they haven't been trained that way through their whole career.

Good point, you would also think it is inevitable that the coach MUST be moved on.

EG - Neesham - Pagan.

Bailey is a dead man walking in my opinion.

 

[nuttinbutapeanut]

What does 'loosing' mean?

Lmao That's all you've got? Haha i guess if you go for our team, you cant expect to defend what they do very much, eg. tanking.

By the way when you try to correct peoples spelling you are always losing the argument.

 

[cannons]

Any team that tanks no matter which players they draft will struggle to make a grand final. They may make the 8 but I think when the going gets tough the players wont be able to push themselves because they haven't been trained that way through their whole career.

This is one of the anti-tanking movement's favourite arguments, shame that it is utter garbage.

Further, it is interesting to note that you are a WCE fan, and they did, indeed, tank throughout the course of the season (see the Richmond game early in the season for an example), so I guess you have resigned your own team to nothing more than a spot in the 8 at some point in the future

Your contribution to the thread is correcting a spelling mistake, hardly surprising.

I was not correcting it, just wondering if things are a little different over in the Western part of this nation, given that you are still stuck in the 50s.

Lmao That's all you've got? Haha i guess if you go for our team, you cant expect to defend what they do very much, eg. tanking.

By the way when you try to correct peoples spelling you are always losing the argument.

I can defend my team's approach, because it is the correct one.

Trengove and Scully will do far more for our side than winning a meaningless game or two, and it is hard to argue against this assertion.

Good to see you can spell 'losing' correctly, by the way

 

[weagles_fan]

This is one of the anti-tanking movement's favourite arguments, shame that it is utter garbage.

Further, it is interesting to note that you are a WCE fan, and they did, indeed, tank throughout the course of the season (see the Richmond game early in the season for an example), so I guess you have resigned your own team to nothing more than a spot in the 8 at some point in the future

When did the Eagles tank? They were just shit but they still tried their best to win.

 

[wambat]

I dont disagree the best thing in the SHORT term was for Melbourne to Tank. However the lasting effects when your untried kids first walk through the door and walk into a losing mentality, where players have accepted it ok to lose.

This is where the real issue lie.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Look at successful clubs like WCE, refuse to tank

2008 season... Nick Naitanui... ring any bells?

And if you're seriously trying to make out your club DIDN'T take the foot off the pedal THIS year until you somehow won against Essendon, you're either spectacularly naive or deliberately being falsely selective for trolling purposes.

Would you like to be reminded of the various WCE posters around BF who were getting enthusiastic about the possibility of you having the priority picks at the time?

Such threads and posts are numerous, and VERY easy to find

 

[loyallion]

I often wonder exactly what the lasting effects have over a playing group when loosing becomes acceptable.
There is allot of debate around tanking ect. and clearly some clubs over the past decade have glorified losing to obtain high picks.
In my opinion the 3 most volatile clubs would be
1. Carlton
2. Melbourne
3. Fremantle.

Look at successful clubs like WCE , refuse to tank - leadership group demand success and already we see them rebuilding their next dynasty.

So I ask the question - Will these clubs ever rid themselves of the loosing mentality that plagues them, and what effect does it have?

Yet ANOTHER ******* who can't spell losing........

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I think I was being too generous in my first post here.

I mean, the REAL motivation is far too obvious to ignore, and to be generous in this regard would just be silly.

I often wonder exactly what the lasting effects have over a playing group when loosing (sic) becomes acceptable.
There is allot (sic) of debate around tanking ect. and clearly some clubs over the past decade have glorified losing to obtain high picks.

The tone... the wording... much, much too obvious really

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Lmao That's all you've got? Haha i guess if you go for our team, you cant expect to defend what they do very much, eg. tanking.

LOL at Peanut STILL trying to pretend he's a Carlton supporter by the way... we're not that dumb

Haha it didnt take long for caltank to completely turn on one of their most beloved players did it. Absolutely love it,have some sour grapes

Need I say more?

 

[wambat]

2008 season... Nick Naitanui... ring any bells?

And if you're seriously trying to make out your club DIDN'T take the foot off the pedal until you somehow won against Essendon, you're either spectacularly naive or deliberately being falsely selective for trolling purposes.

Would you like to be reminded of the various WCE posters around BF who were getting enthusiastic about the possibility of you having the priority picks at the time?

Such threads and posts are numerous, and VERY easy to find

West Coast did not tank.

On track for a hat trick of spoons can not be positive for the playing group.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

West Coast did not tank.

Because you say so... yes, of course me old darling

 

[Goobernutty]

A better title for this thread would've been "Does Anyone Notice My Poor Attempt At Trolling Melbourne?"

 

[wambat]

Because you say so... yes, of course me old darling

No just my opinion , Am I not allowed to have one?

 

[wambat]

A better title for this thread would've been "Does Anyone Notice My Poor Attempt At Trolling Melbourne?"

Take it to the Bay please , this is for serious discussion.

 

[Mattman93]

Title doesn't even make sense.

 

[Goobernutty]

Take it to the Bay please , this is for serious discussion.

You take it to the Bay, you're the one who made this poll. You don't actually want to have a discussion about the effects of a losing mentality, you're just here to take a shot at Melbourne.

Keep your trolling on the Bay.

 

[Demonheart]

I often wonder exactly what the lasting effects have over a playing group when loosing becomes acceptable.
There is allot of debate around tanking ect. and clearly some clubs over the past decade have glorified losing to obtain high picks.
In my opinion the 3 most volatile clubs would be
1. Carlton
2. Melbourne
3. Fremantle.

Look at successful clubs like WCE , refuse to tank - leadership group demand success and already we see them rebuilding their next dynasty.

So I ask the question - Will these clubs ever rid themselves of the loosing mentality that plagues them, and what effect does it have?

West Coast tanked last year to get Natainui, nice try though

 

[Demonheart]

No just my opinion , Am I not allowed to have one?

So, you're only allowed an opinion if it agrees with yours?

As I said previously, it was a nice try untill the bleedin obvious was pointed out to you. West coast tanked hard to get Natainui, I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. Come back and play again kid when you have some new material

 

[FOOOOTY]

didnt WCE go from GF's in 05, 06 and a goal away from a prelim in 07 to winning less then 4 matches in 08. Nice Try, but at least we were consistently shit, not to mention bringing in a new coach and playing style. which we all know takes time to have its effect.

 

[FOOOOTY]

That being said, i would probably vote has an effect on the side going forward - only though if theres much of the core group around that was in that losing period. In Melbournes case, there isn't. So we shall see.

 

[tcwaters]

What does 'loosing' mean?

I think it has something to do with a basement, an Austrian father and about 25 years of ones life.